"i Am An Elite Quarterback" --- Joe Flacco ---

[Displaced Fan]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1292346096' post='574971']
Alright. I'll buy you're argument that celebrating passionately doesn't necessarily mean you play with intensity. But when you watched guys like Johnny U, Joe Monatna, Warren Moon and Steve McNair Eli Manning and Aaron Rodgers today, did/do you see a "fire"? I certainly didn't/don't but all of the players I named have enjoyed varying levels of success.

I don't see how Joe saying he'll play the same way is arrogance when when he's been given time, he's usually come through for this team. He definitely needs to improve in a number of things he does but if there's "room for change" with any part of the offense, it starts with the o-line.
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Fire, Intensity,Urgency I dont know what it is but I dont feel Joe has it yet. He wont be an elite QB until he can read coverage pre snap,audible,and complete a slant pass for a first down

[stan]

[quote name='HaX' timestamp='1292319914' post='574380']
if not dumb mistakes we could be a 13-0 team right now, keep that in mind
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YES! How many times has the defense been their own worst enemy by commiting a dumb off sides penalty thus extending the opponent's play? Ravens offense can't keep drives alive when they commint stupid mistakes, false starts by [b][/b]wide receivers, illegal formations and false starts.

Great teams do not dumb themselves into the "L" column. Yelling at the players won't work. You get players that know how to not do dumb things.

[berad]

[quote name='HaX' timestamp='1292319914' post='574380']
if not dumb mistakes we could be a 13-0 team right now, keep that in mind
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Every team in the NFL could say that. Football happens.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Displaced Fan' timestamp='1292346810' post='574996']
Fire, Intensity,Urgency I dont know what it is but I dont feel Joe has it yet. [b]He wont be an elite QB until he can read coverage pre snap,audible,and complete a slant pass for a first down[/b]
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I actually saw him do that twice last night. On one play, Q dropped the pass and on another, Pollard tipped the pass at the line.

[BabydollFlacco5]

Still waiting and hoping for a video of this interview PLEASE

[Alexir]

Well Joe, let me tell you this: Elite QBs sustain drives and score points. It is embarrassing how much the offense fell apart in the 2nd half.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='BabydollFlacco5' timestamp='1292348426' post='575050']
Still waiting and hoping for a video of this interview PLEASE
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It wasn't an interview. One of ESPN sideline reporters said that's what Joe said but I don't remember there being an actual one-on-one interview

[12th man]

Sorry to say Joe but as of so far in your 3 yrs you are not an elite QB.Reality needs to be said to all the player and coaches alike.There is no way an elite QB in 1-half of the game does nothing requardless of his front line, he needs to move to get more time, I thought Zorn was going to work on this ,this year. I don't see it, no moving from left or right to get away from pressure or when able to step up into the pocket like true elite QB due. So sorry to burst you bubble Joe but you have alot of work to do.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1292348597' post='575056']
Well Joe, let me tell you this: Elite QBs sustain drives and score points. It is embarrassing how much the offense fell apart in the 2nd half.
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Look at all the picks Peyton Manning has thrown recently when he had no running game and poor pass protection. The 2nd half struggles are on Cam and the o-line.

[flynismo]

[quote name='12th man' timestamp='1292350154' post='575122']<br />Sorry to say Joe but as of so far in your 3 yrs you are not an elite QB.Reality needs to be said to all the player and coaches alike.There is no way an elite QB in 1-half of the game does nothing requardless of his front line, he needs to move to get more time, I thought Zorn was going to work on this ,this year. I don't see it, no moving from left or right to get away from pressure or when able to step up into the pocket like true elite QB due. So sorry to burst you bubble Joe but you have alot of work to do.<br />[/quote]


err ... huh? I recall Flacco making some great throws while defenders were making contact with him. The pass to Mason as he was falling to the ground was especially outstanding.
And what pocket was he supposed to step up into? It collapsed before it really even formed all game long. Each sack occured within 3 seconds of the ball being snapped.
As for him doing nothing the second half, are you really going to blame Flacco for the defense only stopping Houston one time the entire third quarter? You do realize that our offense only had one possession the entire third quarter right?

[12th man]

Hey, I'm not saying Flacco didn't do some good things in the first half but come on man he checked out on the whole second half ELITE QB make plays happen that might usually not . Was offense terrible ? yep?? has Joe gotten any faster getting rid of the ball since day one?? NOPE. Joe is good nor ELITE that's all I'm saying. Defense was bad also both sides of the ball shut down and defense had nothing left in the end because the offense couldn't make any first down in 2 qts to give defense some rest, it's a team effort to win. But to call yourself Elite is just funny.

[flynismo]

[quote name='12th man' timestamp='1292353761' post='575271'] But to call yourself Elite is just funny.
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Why would you say that? I'm thrilled that someone as humble as Joe would say that. Much better than listening to Boller mumble through his standard list of excuses.

[cursona pirate]

did anyone else see him yell at housh when housh was to busy talking to the ref?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Rinbee' timestamp='1292343138' post='574864']
No, they are frustrated, disappointed fans who are giving their assessment of the team's performance from their point of view. I believe one of the mods noted this elsewhere on a closed thread, but it's not right to put yourself in someone else's head and accuse them of not being a "true fan" becuase they don't have the same level of optimism that others may have. If everyone would stop judging one another's fanhood on this board we could elliminate a lot of noise in the posts. Feel free to disagree with someone's opinion and have a healthy debate, but don't call out someone's commitment to the team. I don't expect the Ravens to win against NO based on they way the two teams have played over the last few weeks. That does not mean I want the Ravens to lose or that I have no faith that they could pull it off, but based on what I have seen, my prediction is a loss. Nevertheless, I am a fan and I will be at the game cheering my team on.
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Not once have I questioned someones "fanhood"....direct this to someone else.

I was just saying that there is a different way about being critical, and most here do not use the constructive form.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='cursona pirate' timestamp='1292357995' post='575421']
did anyone else see him yell at housh when housh was to busy talking to the ref?
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I didn't but people were during the game thread.

[Rinbee]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1292352138' post='575203']
err ... huh? I recall Flacco making some great throws while defenders were making contact with him. The pass to Mason as he was falling to the ground was especially outstanding.
And what pocket was he supposed to step up into? It collapsed before it really even formed all game long. Each sack occured within 3 seconds of the ball being snapped.
As for him doing nothing the second half, are you really going to blame Flacco for the defense only stopping Houston one time the entire third quarter? You do realize that our offense only had one possession the entire third quarter right?
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If that one possession in the 3Q had been productive it would have widened our lead and reduced the amount of time Houston had the ball. No, the offense is not entirely responsible for the Defensive woes, but they did contribute to the D getting wiped out. Also, we knew going into the game that Houston's offense would be a challenge.

As for the failing pocket, yes the o-line deserves some blame for the lack of offense in the second half, but elite QB's find ways to extend the play or counteract the rush. Joe did a few times, but he needs to be more consistent.

[Rinbee]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1292358093' post='575423']
Not once have I questioned someones "fanhood"....direct this to someone else.

I was just saying that there is a different way about being critical, and most here do not use the constructive form.
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Sorry, I meant this to be a general comment, in response to your general comments, but then again you did use the term "fair weather fans".

Not everyone can draw up X's and O's in a constructive and elegent form. Just ask Cam. If the best someone can do is say "we suck" that's how they feel. They aren't "huge morons", just diappointed fans. Let them be. Nuf said.

[RivenHale]

[quote name='cursona pirate' timestamp='1292357995' post='575421']
did anyone else see him yell at housh when housh was to busy talking to the ref?
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My dad and I literally leaned over and fist-bumped each other when that happened. It was like watching Joe grow up right before our eyes.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Rinbee' timestamp='1292358270' post='575426']<br />If that one possession in the 3Q had been productive it would have widened our lead and reduced the amount of time Houston had the ball.  No, the offense is not entirely responsible for the Defensive woes, but they did contribute to the D getting wiped out.  Also, we knew going into the game that Houston's offense would be a challenge.<br /><br />As for the failing pocket, yes the o-line deserves some blame for the lack of offense in the second half, but elite QB's find ways to extend the play or counteract the rush.  Joe did a few times, but he needs to be more consistent.<br />[/quote]


he did as well as expected imo. an elite qb takes sacks too (ask Vick) or throws pick 6's (ask Manning or Schaub)

[Bullrush]

The only QB with a better QB rating since week two is Tom Brady, and the guy is having a historic season for the Pats. I think he's thrown only 3 picks. If that's not elite then I don't know what is. We should probably start guys like Boller etc. for people to understand how good Flacco really is. And considering he's got less talent around him, a bad O-Line, no running game or pass protection, I think he's done tremendous so far. If not for that week 2 performance and all the bad luck he had with those tipped interceptions and dropped passes that turned into interceptions I think he would've been right behind Brady in the MVP race.

[JoeCool#5]

Ravens are doing it with smoke and mirrors. The defense plays solid when its close, when the offense gets up 2-3 scores, both sides of the ball decide to take a break.
With all the break downs in pass protection and the running game absent this season due to the OL getting blown up off the line of scrimage. Joe is doing amazing considering the lack of protection and the offense rely more and more on the passing game because of the non-existant ground game. I am estatic we are 9-4.

[RedFire]

flaccos style fits the AFC NORTH. the current biggest winner in our division is the steelers that has a QB that is always called out on holding the ball too long....but it always works out for him in the end.

i'm just sayin...whats wrong with flacco incorporating some of that big ben hold onto the ball considering ben won superbowls doing it? and with that said...i think flacco also has the standing tall and throw acurate laser Tom Brady quality. Flacco can definetly be an all time great...or at worse a superbowl winner, haha.

[scrock]

[quote name='RedFire' timestamp='1292282705' post='571583']
he said he will keep playing the way he has been playing against the texans.

harbs is just waiting for flacco to take over on his own time and become that angrier and agressive QB.


i'll provide a link ASAP or someone can post one...but i just heard it on ESPN about 6:20pm
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Joe is in the upper tier of QBs in the league, he's not Brady or Peyton Manning yet but he is moving on up. The problem right now is the O-line cannot run or pass block, they do not give Joe protection as we saw last night. Joe with time to throw is as good as there is in the league, he has improved his stats every year and he is going to throw for career highs in yards, Tds, and more....

Take a look at the QB play around the league..Joe is elite in that regard, the only QBs doing anything great are Brady, Rivers...even Manning and Brees are having down years

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RedFire' timestamp='1292367316' post='575645']
flaccos style fits the AFC NORTH. the current biggest winner in out division is the steelers that has a QB that is always called out on holding the ball too long....but it always works out for him in the end.

[b]i'm just sayin...whats wrong with flacco incorporating some of that big ben hold onto the ball considering ben won superbowls doing it[/b]? and with that said...i think flacco also has the standing tall and throw acurate laser Tom Brady quality. Flacco can definetly be an all time great...or at worse a superbowl winner, haha.
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Huh? Ben holding onto the ball too long isn't a good thing and he gets away with it because of his superhuman strength and ability to simply make a play.

With that said, I saw Joe look little like Ben in some of the things he did last night.

[cursona pirate]

[quote name='RedFire' timestamp='1292367316' post='575645']
flaccos style fits the AFC NORTH. the current biggest winner in out division is the steelers that has a QB that is always called out on holding the ball too long....but it always works out for him in the end.

i'm just sayin...whats wrong with flacco incorporating some of that big ben hold onto the ball considering ben won superbowls doing it? and with that said...i think flacco also has the standing tall and throw acurate laser Tom Brady quality. Flacco can definetly be an all time great...or at worse a superbowl winner, haha.
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except flacco wont flip out when he gets hit after he throws the ball like brady

[FerrariFan87]

I liked when they showed Joe yell "Come on!" to Housh to get him back to the huddle after he was arguing that non-call of what should have been defensive holding or pass interference.

[hawkprey]

Flacco is 8th right now in QB rating. He's thrown 2 interceptions in the past 9 games (okay, a little contrived stat, I know). He posts 100+ ratings in half of his games. He's played most of the year with a poor O-line. And lately he's shown that he can extend the play.

[RedFire]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1292367886' post='575663']
Flacco is 8th right now in QB rating. He's thrown 2 interceptions in the past 9 games (okay, a little contrived stat, I know). He posts 100+ ratings in half of his games. He's played most of the year with a poor O-line. And lately he's shown that he can extend the play.
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brady won he 1st superbowl with a pisspoor o-line. he just stayed in shotgun and fired away. they did the dink and dunk to perfection.

if anything cam ain't always putting joe in a positon to be successful. I'll go as far to say this...IF JOE FLACCO TOOK TOM BRADYS SPOT ON THE PATS THERE WOULD BE NO DROPOFF.

[flynismo]

[quote name='RedFire' timestamp='1292368285' post='575674']<br />brady won he 1st superbowl with a pisspoor o-line. he just stayed in shotgun and fired away. they did the dink and dunk to perection. <br /><br />if anything cam ain't always putting joe in a positon to be successful. I'll go as far to say this...IF JOE FLACCO TOOK TOM BRADYS SPOT ON THE PATS THERE WOULD BE NO DROPOFF.<br />[/quote]


That's not as outlandish as some may think. Look at how well Flacco played last year with a bunch of nobodies (just ask Keyshawn haha), in his second year in the league. I think there would be a little drop off in NE if Flacco took Brady's spot, but nothing worth mentioning.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RedFire' timestamp='1292368285' post='575674']
[b]brady won he 1st superbowl with a pisspoor o-line. he just stayed in shotgun and fired away. they did the dink and dunk to perection. [/b]

if anything cam ain't always putting joe in a positon to be successful. I'll go as far to say this...[b]IF JOE FLACCO TOOK TOM BRADYS SPOT ON THE PATS THERE WOULD BE NO DROPOFF.[/b]
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What's your point? The Pats also had some of the greatest defensive players in the last 15 years playing for them in addition to the most clutch kicker in Vinatieri. Can you say the same about the Ravens now? Nope.

You're wrong about that, pure and simple. Joe is not Tom Brady.