MERGED & UPDATED: Coaching Changes 2010 - 2011

[JO_75]

Updated For Week 16:

AFC NORTH
Mangini- 50/50: Not sure at this point, I'm sure if they beat the Steelers Holmgren may consider keeping him for one more year but if not Mangini may not be a Head Coach in the NFL ever again.

Marvin Lewis- 50/50: The Bengals win today may have helped Lewis plus it's the Bengals and they probably could just keep Marvin at a cheaper price.

AFC EAST
Chan Gailey- Safe. They have a QB in Fitzpatrick who fits his system perfectly and I think if they work on their defense in the off-season they could go be dangerous.

Tony Sparano- 70%. Miami isn't doing very well right now and changes could be coming which means probably a new HC.

AFC WEST
Norv Turner: Gone. I think the loss to the Bengals sealed his fate.
Josh McDaniels- ALREADY FIRED

AFC SOUTH
Jeff Fisher- 100% Gone. Bud Adams will pick Young over Fisher.

Gary Kubiak- Safe for 1 more season.

Jack Del Rio 50/50: He just like Kubiak may have 1 more chance to get into the playoffs and if not next year he will certainly be gone if he isn't fired this year.

NFC NORTH
Lovie Smith- Safe with the playoff run.

Leslie Fraizer- 50/50. He seems like he would be a great HC but will Minnesota think that or will Fraizer leave the mess the Vikings are in and go to another team?

NFC EAST
Tom Coughlin: 100% Gone. With that blowout loss to the Packers... it helped seal the fate of Tom Coughlin.

Jason Garrett: Safe. Jerry has his Yes Man in Garrett, and we all know Jerry won't hire a HC who will take away some control from him.

Shananan: There are some reports Snyder regrets bringing him in so it's possible they could be done with him after 1 year.

NFC WEST
Mike Singletary- JUST FIRED

Whisenhunt- With the way Arizona has been playing, Ken is safe and will have the Cardinals playing better next year.


NFC SOUTH
John Fox- 100% Gone: Panthers are going to clean house in the off-season, I expect a whole new Front Office as well.

Coaches who should be worried next year:

- Eric Mangini (if Kept)

- Marvin Lewis(if Kept)

- Gary Kubiak

- Tony Sparano (if Kept)

- Chan Gailey

- Jack Del Rio(if kept)

[PuRock]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1293415489' post='586050']
Marvin Lewis- 50/50: The Bengals win today may have helped Lewis plus it's the Bengals and they probably could just keep Marvin at a cheaper price.
Jeff Fisher- 100% Gone. Bud Adams will pick Young over Fisher.
Jason Garrett: Safe. Jerry has his Yes Man in Garrett, and we all know Jerry won't hire a HC who will take away some control from him.
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I agree with all the others. But I would swtich the first two. I think Marvin Lewis is gone no matter what. His contract is up and that signals the end in Bengals terms. Fisher I think still has a 50/50 shot. He's been around this long with mixed results (mostly good). I wouldn't be surprised if he sticks. I think 100% gone is pretty harsh.

Jason Garrett I don't think he's safe. He may be a yes man but Jones still can't stay away from the big names. And there are some big names out there to be had. Garrett has done okay but not exactly Jones ideal candidate.

[JO_75]

I figure I would put this here for a good laugh.... The Chargers will not be making any personnel moves at all, meaning Turner and GM AJ Smith will be kept.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/27/chargers-sticking-with-g-m-coach/

[quote]Owner Dean Spanos said Monday that the team will keep Turner and his boss, G.M. A.J. Smith.

[b]“The easiest thing in the world is to start over,” Spanos said. “Who the hell do I go hire? Blow the whole thing up? We’re a pretty good team but we have to make the right moves. We’ve fallen. It could have been our draft picks or our free-agent moves. But we have a good core, and I don’t care what anybody says. I’m not afraid to make changes. If I thought it was warranted, I would do it. We have a good foundation here.”[/b]

[b]“I like A.J., even though he’s a bit goofy,” Spanos said. “I trust him. He’ll tell you he’s made mistakes. Who hasn’t? But he takes chances. Sometimes you lose the bet, but if you’re going to win a world championship, you’ve got to take chances. I learned that from my father in our business. A.J.’s committed 100 percent to this organization.”[/b]

[b]“When you have a coach that is competent, loyal and trustworthy and you believe in him, you stay the course,” Smith told Canepa. “Norv Turner will be leading this football team.”
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Everyone in the AFC is now hoping they play the Chargers in September and October. I knew they were better off keeping Marty and firing AJ Smith... and this just proves it. I have said it before and I'll say it again... The Chargers won't win the Super Bowl until AJ Smith is gone as GM.

[BrownsFan]

Mangini is done IMO.

[JO_75]

Panthers didn't take long to announce John Fox will be gone. They have announced that Fox and his staff will be out after Sunday's game against the Falcons. That is 1 official Head Coach Opening.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/31/panthers-make-it-official-john-fox-and-his-staff-are-out/

[quote]“I told John today that I appreciate everything he has done for us over the last nine years, but as happens in this business, it is time for both sides to move in different directions,” Panthers owner Jerry Richardson in a statement. “While we haven’t accomplished all of the goals we set as an organization when we signed him in 2002, we have certainly had our share of high moments -– the Super Bowl, two NFC Championship games, and a division title in 2008. We wish John and his family the best going forward.”[/quote]

[JO_75]

Jason Garrett is now the Permanent Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/02/jason-garrett-gets-cowboys-gig/

[quote]Jason Garrett becoming the head coach of the Dallas Cowboys for the 2011 season has gone from “likely” to definite.

NFL Network is reporting that the deal is done and Garrett will be introduced as the Cowboys’ head coach this week.[/quote]

So that is one spot filled. It also is reported that Leslie Fraizer will become the permanent Head Coach of the Vikings on a 3 Year Deal. So make that 2 Head Coaches who are safe.

[JO_75]

I was going to make this about Eric Mangini, the first Head Coach fired on this Black Monday, but since we'll probably hear about more firings later in the day and later in the off-season I figure I just make it the thread to discuss all the firings.

First off Eric Mangini, who is fired after 2 seasons in Cleveland. Mangini was 10-22 in 2 years with the Browns.

[quote]Last year, Eric Mangini’s Browns won their final four games to go 5-11. He was retained. This year, he lost his final four games to go 5-11. The Browns officially fired him Monday.

“This decision was not easy for me, and it was one into which I put a great deal of thought,” said Browns President Mike Holmgren. “Although we have made improvements this season, my responsibility is to ensure that we establish a program that will allow this team to compete at a championship level.”[/quote]

Since when did 2 years be enough for a coach to turn things around? It's not like Mangini did things like McDaniels who deserved to be fired after 2 years, I thought Mangini deserved at least 1 more year because he had the team playing well and I thought if he would have stayed the Browns would have been a good team next year if they were to get a WR for Colt McCoy.

[PuRock]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1294068487' post='591789']
I was going to make this about Eric Mangini, the first Head Coach fired on this Black Monday, but since we'll probably hear about more firings later in the day and later in the off-season I figure I just make it the thread to discuss all the firings.

First off Eric Mangini, who is fired after 2 seasons in Cleveland. Mangini was 10-22 in 2 years with the Browns.



Since when did 2 years be enough for a coach to turn things around? It's not like Mangini did things like McDaniels who deserved to be fired after 2 years, I thought Mangini deserved at least 1 more year because he had the team playing well and I thought if he would have stayed the Browns would have been a good team next year if they were to get a WR for Colt McCoy.
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Looks like its back to the Cord position for him as well. Two failed coaching experiments.

[bauer77]

idk if anyone else watched it, but yesterday there was a thing on espn with Chris Mortensen talking about coaches being fired or keeping there jobs. this is what he thought

Fired:
Eric Mangini (who was today)
Marvin Lewis (just time to move on, a lot of talent on that team to be that bad)
Tony Sparano (1-7 at home, another not to good season)
Gary Kubiak (texans were thought to be a playoff team and could possibly go deep with the talent they have)


Possible:
Jeff Fisher (been with the titans forever, titans could want a change)
Tom Cable (even though they were very good in their division at 8-0, they still somehow managed to miss the playoffs. and Al Davis is their owner LOL)

[Moderator 3]

If Lewis and Fisher go, it'll be by their own choice.

[JO_75]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1294068907' post='591798']
Looks like its back to the Cord position for him as well. Two failed coaching experiments.
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Most likely you are right. Also to, Mangini is a 3-4 guy and Holmgren is a 4-3 guy and I think Mike is going to get a 4-3 guy and implement the 4-3 defense in Cleveland. I still think Mangini got the raw end of the deal, 2 years isn't enough for him to get his players together, it normally takes 4-5 years for a new coach to implement their system. The Browns now have a new Slogan: Going Through Quarterbacks & Coaches since 1999!

For some odd reason... I don't know why but I think John Fox or Jon Gruden could be coaching the Browns next year.

[PuRock]

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Most likely you are right. Also to, Mangini is a 3-4 guy and Holmgren is a 4-3 guy and I think Mike is going to get a 4-3 guy and implement the 4-3 defense in Cleveland. I still think Mangini got the raw end of the deal, 2 years isn't enough for him to get his players together, it normally takes 4-5 years for a new coach to implement their system. The Browns now have a new Slogan: Going Through Quarterbacks & Coaches since 1999!

For some odd reason... I don't know why but I think John Fox or Jon Gruden could be coaching the Browns next year.
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The Browns HC actually isn't that bad of a gig right now. There isn't a huge media presence. The pressure to win isn't as great as NY, Dallas, Chicago, etc. They also have a great GM and a team full of young talented players.

[bauer77]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1294069892' post='591809']
Most likely you are right. Also to, Mangini is a 3-4 guy and Holmgren is a 4-3 guy and I think Mike is going to get a 4-3 guy and implement the 4-3 defense in Cleveland. I still think Mangini got the raw end of the deal, 2 years isn't enough for him to get his players together, it normally takes 4-5 years for a new coach to implement their system. The Browns now have a new Slogan: Going Through Quarterbacks & Coaches since 1999!

For some odd reason... I don't know why but I think John Fox or Jon Gruden could be coaching the Browns next year.
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Reports are it'll be John Fox. and if he doesnt go there, a lot of other teams will be looking at him.

[JO_75]

You know the funny thing about John Fox possibly being the new Browns Head Coach is that his style of play fits the AFC North. He likes to run the ball and play tough nosed defense so Fox would fit in well with the North. I wonder if he does take the Browns Head Coaching job that if he'll bring any Panthers players over with him.

[PuRock]

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You know the funny thing about John Fox possibly being the new Browns Head Coach is that his style of play fits the AFC North. He likes to run the ball and play tough nosed defense so Fox would fit in well with the North. I wonder if he does take the Browns Head Coaching job that [b]if he'll bring any Panthers players over with him.[/b]
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Well he'll already have Jake Delhomme there with him. John Fox *facepalm*

[JO_75]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1294071907' post='591854']
Well he'll already have Jake Delhomme there with him. John Fox *facepalm*
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I wouldn't be surprised to see him bring some Defensive players from the Panthers to help the transition to a 4-3 defense. Yeah Delhomme is probably thinking... please hire John Fox because he's the only Coach who could have me be the starter.

I have had my TV on ESPN, I have PFT up and refresh the page every once in a while to see what coach will be gone next. Schefter has said that Bud Adams will meet with Jeff Fisher to discuss his future and that Jaguars Owner Wayne Weaver will meet with Jack Del Rio to discuss things. To me I'm more interested in seeing what will happen with Jim Harbaugh.

The Panthers have lined up a interview with Chargers Defensive Coordinator Ron Rivera.

[PuRock]

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The Panthers have lined up a interview with Chargers Defensive Coordinator Ron Rivera.
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That's interesting. But I feel like that would be going down the same road as John Fox a bit.

[JO_75]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1294073523' post='591895']
That's interesting. But I feel like that would be going down the same road as John Fox a bit.
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Actually Rivera wouldn't be a bad choice. They have to fix their defense since Rivera is a defensive minded coach, and with the Panthers having the 1st pick, they could take Da'Quan Bowers to replace Julius Peppers. Also too, with Rivera he could go and trade for Vincent Jackson and get Carolina a young WR.

You guys think Jeff Fisher will stay or will he go? Is there any surprises that we could have... like a couple years ago the Broncos shocked everyone by firing Shananan who everyone thought he wasn't going to get fired. For a surprise... I could see Tom Cable being surprisingly fired despite Cable having the Raiders heading into the right direction.

[JO_75]

According to Jason La Canfora, we know one place Bill Cowher will not be coaching, that is the Miami Dolphins since he wouldn't be a good fit in Miami.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81d6db88/article/source-coach-cowher-and-dolphins-not-an-easy-fit?module=HP_headlines2col

[BrownsFan]

I'm not surprised at all that Mangini is gone; I feel bad because I felt he could have benefited from having another season but really in the end he wasn't Holmgren's guy to begin with so why bother? Here's hoping we get it right this time around.

[BrownsFan]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1294068487' post='591789']
Since when did 2 years be enough for a coach to turn things around? It's not like Mangini did things like McDaniels who deserved to be fired after 2 years, I thought Mangini deserved at least 1 more year because he had the team playing well and I thought if he would have stayed the Browns would have been a good team next year if they were to get a WR for Colt McCoy.
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Agree with all of this but again as previously stated.. not really surprised by the firing. He isn't Holmgren's guy to begin with and with that knowledge why delay the inevitable? I feel bad for Mangini because really twice now he's gotten the short end of the stick.. just was in an unfortunate situation in Cleveland.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='BrownsFan' timestamp='1294081374' post='592034']
Agree with all of this but again as previously stated.. not really surprised by the firing. He isn't Holmgren's guy to begin with and with that knowledge why delay the inevitable? I feel bad for Mangini because really twice now he's gotten the short end of the stick.. just was in an unfortunate situation in Cleveland.
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Any chance that "Holmgren's guy" is Holmgren?

[BrownsFan]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1294081447' post='592037']
Any chance that "Holmgren's guy" is Holmgren?
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These are a couple of notes from his press conference this afternoon:


- He has started the coaching search as of today but has no timetable set.

- Quote: "To tell you I won't coach again wouldn't be honest. I probably won't but I won't lie to you and say never."

- Coaching candidates are not limited to those with NFL experience.

- Quote: "I will not leave for another coaching job."


I honestly don't think he will coach the Browns; I believe he'll do an extensive search and find the guy he feels is right for the job. One thing about Holmgren is he's always honest and upfront and I believe he feels this way: I was hired to be the president and decide upon all football operations and hire the right personnel to do that job.

I think with that said he won't intervene and coach. Anything is possible of course but just my gut feeling.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='BrownsFan' timestamp='1294082226' post='592049']
These are a couple of notes from his press conference this afternoon:


- He has started the coaching search as of today but has no timetable set.

- Quote: "To tell you I won't coach again wouldn't be honest. I probably won't but I won't lie to you and say never."

- Coaching candidates are not limited to those with NFL experience.

- Quote: "I will not leave for another coaching job."


I honestly don't think he will coach the Browns; I believe he'll do an extensive search and find the guy he feels is right for the job. One thing about Holmgren is he's always honest and upfront and I believe he feels this way: I was hired to be the president and decide upon all football operations and hire the right personnel to do that job.

I think with that said he won't intervene and coach. Anything is possible of course but just my gut feeling.
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Great, thanks for the information. Who do [u]you[/u] want to come in and be your next Head Coach?

[BrownsFan]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1294082415' post='592055']
Great, thanks for the information. Who do [u]you[/u] want to come in and be your next Head Coach?
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At the time I'm not really sure. I'm not necessarily against a first-time HC being hired but more importantly just want someone who is fully on board with Holmgren and Heckert. Good solid organizations are built from the top and I believe that Holmgren and Heckert are the right people for their positions. Holmgren brought in Heckert from Philly and our first draft with them was a successful one overall.

As far as those I'm not a fan of I'd say John Fox for one.. just think his time is done. I'm not completely against Marvin Lewis as a possibility but not sure how I'd feel about it either. Maybe a coordinator like Rivera could be a good fit. I don't really feel strongly about any one particular individual at the time.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='BrownsFan' timestamp='1294082902' post='592064']
At the time I'm not really sure. I'm not necessarily against a first-time HC being hired but more importantly just want someone who is fully on board with Holmgren and Heckert. Good solid organizations are built from the top and I believe that Holmgren and Heckert are the right people for their positions. Holmgren brought in Heckert from Philly and our first draft with them was a successful one overall.

As far as those I'm not a fan of I'd say John Fox for one.. just think his time is done. I'm not completely against Marvin Lewis as a possibility but not sure how I'd feel about it either. Maybe a coordinator like Rivera could be a good fit. I don't really feel strongly about any one particular individual at the time.
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This is obviously a long shot, but what if Jeff Fisher resigns or is fired from Tennessee?

[BrownsFan]

My gut feeling.. I wouldn't be against Jeff Fisher. He is a hard-nosed coach and I think that is something Cleveland needs right now. I also think he would be a great fit in the division. I think Fisher gets a bit of a bad rap due to the Vince Young stuff but it's obvious how immature Young is at times.. perhaps a change of scenery would do Fisher good.

[BrownsFan]

Cleveland has put in a request to interview Giants defensive coordinator Perry Fewell.

[JO_75]

[quote name='BrownsFan' timestamp='1294084754' post='592093']
Cleveland has put in a request to interview Giants defensive coordinator Perry Fewell.
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So did the Panthers, I wouldn't be surprised that both Cleveland and Carolina hire someone else and interviewing Perry Fewell is just to comply with the outdated rooney rule. I think Fewell would be a good head coach but he just needs more time, I say another 2 years as DC and he should be ready to go be a Head Coach.

[JO_75]

Even though it's not a head coach firing, the Texans have fired Defensive Coordinator Frank Bush.

Source: http://www.rotoworld.com/content/HeadLines.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=197982

It is expected that former Dallas Head Coach Wade Phillips will become the new defensive coordinator in Houston.