Questions For The Haters And Ney Sayers

[K-Dog]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1292137083' post='570208']
When the Ravens have Flacco kick a 40 yard field goal with a puppy instead of a ball...


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funniest thing I have read all day.
Thank you.

[Jamal]

Beating the Texans wouldn't really prove much tbh. We have been beating average teams all year, but can't beat the elite teams, so nothing can be proven until we play the Saints.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1292177214' post='570380']
Beating the Texans wouldn't really prove much tbh. We have been beating average teams all year, but can't beat the elite teams, so nothing can be proven until we play the Saints.
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Beating the Texans is huge in the fact it gives us another AFC win. The only team I fear in catching us for a Wildcard birth is Indy. Currently they are 5-4 in the AFC, we are 6-3. That would be our tiebreak. So a loss to the Saints wouldn't be as bad as one to the Texans. However, I am not thinking about losing ever again this season!

[codizzle]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1292167244' post='570285']
Oh, stop your misplaced and crazy DEFENSE of the crazies
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Its an all day job around especially with our season down the drain and all

[purple.n.black]

Kicking one puppy is not enough. I want him to kick two puppies.
I'm no nay sayer, but I would like to see if we can limit Andre. I doubt we could shut him down, but limiting him would be nice. Especially since its not like they have an array of receivers that we have to worry about, although Walter is pretty good.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

[quote name='grape drank' timestamp='1292165709' post='570279']
hire josh mcdaniels and start bulger
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Hopefully this is a joke?

[PSU RAVEN]

an actual running game, reflective of the type of talent we have (rice, Mcgahee, Mcclain), would be nice!

[Greatness]

Bring back my '08 running game and sprinkle in my new offensive toys all the while blowing the Texans out Tom Brady style.

[Jamal]

[quote name='OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL' timestamp='1292183981' post='570522']
Beating the Texans is huge in the fact it gives us another AFC win. The only team I fear in catching us for a Wildcard birth is Indy. Currently they are 5-4 in the AFC, we are 6-3. That would be our tiebreak. So a loss to the Saints wouldn't be as bad as one to the Texans. However, I am not thinking about losing ever again this season!
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Obviously every win is extremely important at this point in the season, but I said it wouldn't really change my opinion on the team. I'd say we are a second tier team at the moment, and a win against the Texans doesn't really prove that wrong.

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1292129133' post='570144']
What does Cam and the Ravens have to do Monday night to make you think they are on the right path?

Dont tell me "Just win" they have won eight games and so many are hating on them right now.

Run 80% to pass 20% ? More ? Less?

More trick plays? Less trick plays?

Flacco has to yell and kick a puppy on the side line?

What do you hope to see Monday that will have your fist in the air yelling "Yeah Ravens!! "?
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What would they have to do?

1. Score more than 20 points on offense.
2. Flacco wouldn't completely ignore the receivers that are wide open in order to throw to a receiver that is either completely smothered, or a receiver that has 2 or 3 defenders around him.
3. Not turn the ball over.
4. Trust the best kicker you've had since Stover, the kicker who has been a key component in the Ravens having 8 wins right now.
5. Not insult the fans through the media whether you win or lose.
6. If one aspect of offense is clearly working, don't try to be cute/clever/funny and change it for no reason at all.
7. The defense doesn't let Arian Foster beat them, and TACKLES.

[Militant X 1]

i want to see the offense put points on the board...early and often....and put the game out of reach for the Texans.

[cursona pirate]

lets blow them out

[BloodRaven]

Next time we choke against a weaker team we should all just put on the purple glasses and thank our lucky stars.

[jaege]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1292129133' post='570144']
What does Cam and the Ravens have to do Monday night to make you think they are on the right path?

Dont tell me "Just win" they have won eight games and so many are hating on them right now.

Run 80% to pass 20% ? More ? Less?

More trick plays? Less trick plays?

Flacco has to yell and kick a puppy on the side line?

What do you hope to see Monday that will have your fist in the air yelling "Yeah Ravens!! "?
[/quote]

The Ravens just have to put up a good game, and I will be happy with them.

Cam has to play call a game that would go in the history books. A game so spectacular that everyone and anyone who watched it would be awed and anyone that didn't watch would weep for having missed it.

Oh but I am not a hater really. The Steelers game was a huge let down, but we are still likely to make the play offs and we do have a decent record. I am still wearing purple, although I have some serious doubts about Cam.

[stan]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1292129133' post='570144']
What does Cam and the Ravens have to do Monday night to make you think they are on the right path?

Dont tell me "Just win" they have won eight games and so many are hating on them right now.

Run 80% to pass 20% ? More ? Less?

More trick plays? Less trick plays?

Flacco has to yell and kick a puppy on the side line?

What do you hope to see Monday that will have your fist in the air yelling "Yeah Ravens!! "?
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Pound their defense with McClain. Augment with A few runs from Rice then when they get soft wear them out with McGahee and Rice. When thier DBs and safeties are tired of tackling, Throw like the German assault on London. Blitzkrieg!!

[Alexir]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1292129133' post='570144']
What does Cam and the Ravens have to do Monday night to make you think they are on the right path?

Dont tell me "Just win" they have won eight games and so many are hating on them right now.

Run 80% to pass 20% ? More ? Less?

More trick plays? Less trick plays?

Flacco has to yell and kick a puppy on the side line?

What do you hope to see Monday that will have your fist in the air yelling "Yeah Ravens!! "?
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Less trick plays. Resurgence of the run game. Nothing fancy. Just 2 receiver sets for majority of the snaps. Let Flacco call audibles instead of forcing a play that he doesn't believe will work which can cause a punt or turnover. Like seriously cam, this is his 3rd year, take off the leash.

[3-4ravdef509]

I wanna see Flacco rip the Texans a new one. And I wanna see cam run more 3 and 4 receiver sets. Spread the ball a little bit. The running game might not come back in time for the playoffs, in which case Flacco will need to carry the team. Having 1 or 2 WR and 1 TE does not exactly give a qb much to work with when passing. And if we put more receivers on the field, and start passing the ball more efectively, we could essentially use the pass to set up the run, by forcing the linebackers and safetys to back off.
I don't blame Flacco for losing last week, but I do want to see him step it up. And play 60 min. He either starts out hot and fizzles out, or waits till the second half to start playing. Playcalling might be a factor in there, to be fair. But it's time to face reality. We're 31st in the league with our per carry average running the ball. Running the ball against a bad defense will NOT prove anything. Start making preparations for the playoffs, where we will inevitably rely on our qb to have to win us a few games in the clutch if we're serious about a run at the Lombardi.

[bmoney8784]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1292129559' post='570149']
I'm not a Cam-hater, I know he's one of the best OC's out there. Truthfully, he probably can't do anything to silence all of the nay-sayers. Plays will go wrong, play-calls [i](if they fail)[/i] will be questionable, and a big game will be dismissed [i](by some)[/i] as the Texans having a poor defense. That said, I'm hoping he and our offense come out big and whoop the Texans.
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[i]<personal attack on me>[/i] you actually believe cam is one of the best?wow,i dont even know what to say to that.this team sports pro bowl talent at all but 3 spots on offense and we arent even in the top half of the league in scoring.yeah hes great.meanwhile tom brady looses one of the games best all time big play threats and his coaches are managing to scheme to score 30+ every game.oh yeah,brady doesnt have a run game! you cant honestly tell me you think its the players not executing.cam is so hard on for flaccos "BIG" arm that he wants to throw 20+ yds downfield 90% of the time.no underneath routes,just checkdowns to ray rice(wich if you havent been watching,the other team figured it out).he doesnt call consecutive run plays unless hes eating clock and then he calls the run no matter what wich is dumb.he runs on 2nd and 15 but 2nd and 4 he throws and when that fails he now has to throw on 3rd down.he runs more screens to mclain and the TEs then he does rice.Rice will break off a 5 yd run then wont get another carry for 10 plays.our overall yds per carry may be 31st in the league but ray rice is 6th in the league in yds per carry,so tell me why cam wont feed him the ball.because he wants to prove how big his "JUNK" is and have a measuring competition with the other team.we went from 7th in the league in scoring with only mason last year to 20th or so after adding two pro bowl wr.difference is,we arent commiting to running the ball,and we dont run it in the redzone like we did last year.also wheres the unbalanced line from the last two years that has worked wonders?bottom line,cam wants to believe flacco is the next manning or brady or rivers or whoever,but he isnt.he struggles with accuracy and touch alot and cant read the middle of the field like a good QB.the only game we went middle alot was cincy and we all saw how good flacco did in that game.Against the bucs he almost got picked twice across the middle.hes trying to make flacco something hes not.pound the damn ball and THEN go play action deep if youd like.i think weve run more play action passes than actual run plays this year and thats pathetic,especialy when youve got a top 5 back on your team wearing 27 just waiting for you to call his name.[i]<personal attack on Cameron>[/i]

[DieHardBMoreFan]

i wanna see some Power I formations. For once, and i would love just once. Rice/Mcgahee in the same huddle...

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='bmoney8784' timestamp='1292277480' post='571469']
are you a moron?you actually believe cam is one of the best?wow,i dont even know what to say to that.this team sports pro bowl talent at all but 3 spots on offense and we arent even in the top half of the league in scoring.yeah hes great.meanwhile tom brady looses one of the games best all time big play threats and his coaches are managing to scheme to score 30+ every game.oh yeah,brady doesnt have a run game! you cant honestly tell me you think its the players not executing.cam is so hard on for flaccos "BIG" arm that he wants to throw 20+ yds downfield 90% of the time.no underneath routes,just checkdowns to ray rice(wich if you havent been watching,the other team figured it out).he doesnt call consecutive run plays unless hes eating clock and then he calls the run no matter what wich is dumb.he runs on 2nd and 15 but 2nd and 4 he throws and when that fails he now has to throw on 3rd down.he runs more screens to mclain and the TEs then he does rice.Rice will break off a 5 yd run then wont get another carry for 10 plays.[b]our overall yds per carry may be 31st in the league but ray rice is 6th in the league in yds per carry,so tell me why cam wont feed him the ball[/b].because he wants to prove how big his "JUNK" is and have a measuring competition with the other team.we went from 7th in the league in scoring with only mason last year to 20th or so after adding two pro bowl wr.difference is,we arent commiting to running the ball,and we dont run it in the redzone like we did last year.also wheres the unbalanced line from the last two years that has worked wonders?bottom line,cam wants to believe flacco is the next manning or brady or rivers or whoever,but he isnt.he struggles with accuracy and touch alot and cant read the middle of the field like a good QB.[b]the only game we went middle alot was cincy and we all saw how good flacco did in that game.Against the bucs he almost got picked twice across the middle[/b].hes trying to make flacco something hes not.pound the damn ball and THEN go play action deep if youd like.i think weve run more play action passes than actual run plays this year and thats pathetic,especialy when youve got a top 5 back on your team wearing 27 just waiting for you to call his name.Bottom line cams an arogant moron
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Despite the lack of punctuation and spacing aside, I agreed with most of what you said in this post except for what I put in bold.

Ray Rice is [i]NOT[/i] 6th in the league in YPC. [url="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/bycategory?cat=Rushing&sort=40"]Proof[/url]

While I agree there have been times when Cam foolishly went away from Rice even when he was picking up yards on the ground, Rice has averaged under 4 YPC in 3 of the 4 games he's had over 20 carries. Again, Cam hasn't given him the ball enough at times but it's no coincidence the running game has still struggled most of the time he's got carries.

The Ravens didn't attack the middle more than any other game against the Bengals. And I find it funny you note a few failed attempts at attacking the middle against the Bucs but not how Joe has used the middle of the field more than ever this season.

[berad]

[quote name='bmoney8784' timestamp='1292277480' post='571469']
[i]<personal attack on me>[/i] you actually believe cam is one of the best?wow,i dont even know what to say to that.this team sports pro bowl talent at all but 3 spots on offense and we arent even in the top half of the league in scoring.yeah hes great.meanwhile tom brady looses one of the games best all time big play threats and his coaches are managing to scheme to score 30+ every game.oh yeah,brady doesnt have a run game!
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How did the Patriots come up? Tom Brady is the best quarterback in the NFL right now. Just because the Ravens aren't producing the way they are doesn't mean Cameron is a terrible coordinator.

[quote name='bmoney8784' timestamp='1292277480' post='571469']
you cant honestly tell me you think its the players not executing.cam is so hard on for flaccos "BIG" arm that he wants to throw 20+ yds downfield 90% of the time.no underneath routes,just checkdowns to ray rice(wich if you havent been watching,the other team figured it out).
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Well, if you've been watching, there have been far fewer "checkdowns" to Ray Rice this year. And player execution is part of the problem, in addition to Cameron. The sack strip by Polamalu? Michael Oher didn't get the protection right.

[quote name='bmoney8784' timestamp='1292277480' post='571469']
he doesnt call consecutive run plays unless hes eating clock and then he calls the run no matter what wich is dumb.he runs on 2nd and 15 but 2nd and 4 he throws and when that fails he now has to throw on 3rd down.he runs more screens to mclain and the TEs then he does rice.Rice will break off a 5 yd run then wont get another carry for 10 plays.[b]our overall yds per carry may be 31st in the league but ray rice is 6th in the league in yds per carry[/b],so tell me why cam wont feed him the ball.because he wants to prove how big his "JUNK" is and have a measuring
competition with the other team.
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Yes, we're 30th in the NFL in yards/attempt, that's not on Cameron. That's due to a shuffled, injured offensive line. And Ray Rice is not 6th in ypc, that's blatantly wrong. Ray Rice is actually on pace to finish with ~30 more carries than in 2009 - and that's even when he was injured for a game.

[quote name='bmoney8784' timestamp='1292277480' post='571469']
we went from 7th in the league in scoring with only mason last year to 20th or so after adding two pro bowl wr.difference is,we arent commiting to running the ball,and we dont run it in the redzone like we did last year.
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As I said above, Cameron has run it more than last year. In fact, overall, we're even on pace to finish with more rushes than we had in 2009, too. I'd like to see Cameron run it more in the redzone, too, but our OL can't get a push - it's not a good situation.

[quote name='bmoney8784' timestamp='1292277480' post='571469']
also wheres the unbalanced line from the last two years that has worked wonders?
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I saw it used a decent amount last Sunday. Our linemen, this year, may not be talented or deep enough to pull it off consistently. Losing Gaither and shifting Yanda hurts in many ways.

[quote name='bmoney8784' timestamp='1292277480' post='571469']
bottom line,cam wants to believe flacco is the next manning or brady or rivers or whoever,but he isnt.he struggles with accuracy and touch alot and cant read the middle of the field like a good QB.the only game we went middle alot was cincy and we all saw how good flacco did in that game.Against the bucs he almost got picked twice across the middle.hes trying to make flacco something hes not.pound the damn ball and THEN go play action deep if youd like.i think weve run more play action passes than actual run plays this year and thats pathetic,especialy when youve got a top 5 back on your team wearing 27 just waiting for you to call his name.[i]<personal attack on Cameron>[/i]
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Read the rest of my post. Flacco has proven that he is a good QB and will continue to grow. He's been throwing, in the middle of the field, much better this season. His entire game has improved. You're wrong on that count. And, as an aside, it's better not to insult me or Cam Cameron - it doesn't help your argument.

[berad]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1292279288' post='571508']
Ray Rice is [i]NOT[/i] 6th in the league in YPC. [url="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/stats/bycategory?cat=Rushing&sort=40"]Proof[/url]
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I don't even know where that stat came from.

[CapoRocky]

Avete sentito parlare della cavalleria rustico? Flacco needs to learn what it means to be a man of respect, a man of honor. As the leader, he needs to lead not follow. [i]<Disregard>[/i] Cam! It's his game to win or lose.

[RL52TheGreatest]

Get a lead and keep adding on to it! I don't want to lose any more games because our offense can't put the game away in the 2nd half. Look at what the Pats do week in and week out; they get a big lead and then CONTINUE to just bury their opponents through the whole game. If Cam wants to prove that we're on the right track then our offense needs to keep putting points on the board for a whole 4 quarters and not just the first half of the game.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1292280141' post='571525']
I don't even know where that stat came from.
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Me neither.

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1292280221' post='571528']
Avete sentito parlare della cavalleria rustico? Flacco needs to learn what it means to be a man of respect, a man of honor. As the leader, he needs to lead not follow. [i]<Disregard>[/i] Cam! It's his game to win or lose.
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All that's easy to say man(well, maybe not the Italian) but disobeying Cam could get him bench and create unnecessary problems for this team.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1292280097' post='571524']
Well, if you've been watching, there have been far fewer "checkdowns" to Ray Rice this year. And player execution is part of the problem, in addition to Cameron. The sack strip by Polamalu? Michael Oher didn't get the protection right.
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Yes, Oher didn't get the protection right. Why was Cam content to sit on a 4 pt lead for 3/4 of the 2nd half and then with 3:40 left in the game decide to get aggressive? We were in our own territory, with a lead and their offense was doing nothing. You run the ball, hope you pick up the first but if you don't, you punt. Good play, wrong time for it. And this is something Cam does a lot.

[berad]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1292280943' post='571545']
Yes, Oher didn't get the protection right. Why was Cam content to sit on a 4 pt lead for 3/4 of the 2nd half and then with 3:40 left in the game decide to get aggressive? We were in our own territory, with a lead and their offense was doing nothing. You run the ball, hope you pick up the first but if you don't, you punt. Good play, wrong time for it. And this is something Cam does a lot.
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Yes, it wasn't right for Cam to call that play, anyways. I would've run the ball, it was criminal to give Rice only 9 carries in such a close game. That said, if Oher blocks Polamalu, and we convert that first down, Cameron looks like a gutsy genius. Hindsight is always 20/20.

I'm not some blind Cameron-lover, I know he has faults and has cost us at times but, that said, he's just about better than anyone out there - certainly better than anyone we've had before. He actually gave us an offense to be angry about haha.

[K-Dog]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1292167792' post='570293']
The OP isn't looking for answers, this thread is a sarcastic attempt at polarising the forum.
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Actually I am looking for answers. After every game there are so many Monday morning QB's its crazy.
Hinesite is 20/20.
I was wondering if any one here could come into this game with a battle plan as opposed to the "woulda' coulda' shoulda' " Its easy to pick apart a game on Monday ( or should I say Tuesday as is the case)

I dont know enough about the Texans to really say run over pass, or pass over run. Find what works and keep doing it untill they stop us. What that is I honestly am not completely sure.

I will revisit this thread after work Tuesday.

[CapoRocky]

The offensive line needs to let Flacco know that the blitz is coming. If they can't stop them, then at least warn him in time to hit the ground or throw it away. That one sack cost us the game last Sunday.

[Tiznut]

[quote name='Tiznut' timestamp='1292130729' post='570161']
Win..
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I lied