Solution To Running Game

[omar586]

here's a solution to our horrendous running game, y dont we put Cousins as RG, and kick out Chester as an extra blocker, or as FB---> so he can block for all 3 RBs and we use him in the jumbo package, what u guys think, instead of shelving cousins and not using him at all. we could see this formation(it might b illegal but u get the point) MNF:

--------------ohr-grubbs-birk-cousins-yanda------Q--
-mase----Dixon----------flaco--------------------
-------------------------chester-------------------
--------------------------rice-----------------
please post any formation or solution to our horrendous running game, so i can call the plays on MNF, i'm the new OC,lol.

[codizzle]

[quote name='omar586' timestamp='1292094207' post='569827']
here's a solution to our horrendous running game, y dont we put Cousins as RG, and kick out Chester as an extra blocker, or as FB---> so he can block for all 3 RBs and we use him in the jumbo package, what u guys think, instead of shelving cousins and not using him at all. we could see this formation(it might b illegal but u get the point) MNF:

--------------ohr-grubbs-birk-cousins-yanda------Q--
-mase----Dixon----------flaco--------------------
-------------------------chester-------------------
--------------------------rice-----------------
please post any formation or solution to our horrendous running game, so i can call the plays on MNF, i'm the new OC,lol.
[/quote]
Is that the slot we're running Dennis Dixon in? I didnt know we got him

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Just go with 5 wideouts, Rice being one of them. AND, have slants and crossing patterns to the always open middle of the field, Flacco in the gun.

[purple.n.black]

[quote name='OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL' timestamp='1292095698' post='569841']
Just go with 5 wideouts, Rice being one of them. AND, have slants and crossing patterns to the always open middle of the field, Flacco in the gun.
[/quote]
Yeah that would be a great way to run it, by having only Flacco in the backfield.
And as far as the extra o-lineman, we used to do it a good bit with a lineman in the tight end spot, not really seeing it anymore.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

[quote name='purple.n.black' timestamp='1292096223' post='569852']
Yeah that would be a great way to run it, by having only Flacco in the backfield.
And as far as the extra o-lineman, we used to do it a good bit with a lineman in the tight end spot, not really seeing it anymore.
[/quote]
The key is the shotgun, would have helped Sunday night

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

I think we should try this a few times when we run the ball:

Oher - Grubbs - Birk - Cousins - Yanda

I like Cousins as a mauler on the inside, something that we sure know Chester hasn't done a good job of this year. I like the guy, but being a converted TE sure doesn't help when you're trying to push back a 300lb D-lineman.

[RoflDogs]

"Illegal formation, on offense, 5 yard penalty, repeat first down"

[-Truth-]

[quote name='OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL' timestamp='1292095698' post='569841']
Just go with 5 wideouts, Rice being one of them. AND, have slants and crossing patterns to the always open middle of the field, Flacco in the gun.
[/quote]
So the 5 WR set is the solution to our running game woes?

[omar586]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1292096808' post='569857']
I think we should try this a few times when we run the ball:

Oher - Grubbs - Birk - Cousins - Yanda

I like Cousins as a mauler on the inside, something that we sure know Chester hasn't done a good job of this year. I like the guy, but being a converted TE sure doesn't help when you're trying to push back a 300lb D-lineman.
[/quote]

i agree, chester could be used as an extra blocker, or FB when needed,

[omar586]

[quote name='RoflDogs' timestamp='1292099216' post='569880']
"Illegal formation, on offense, 5 yard penalty, repeat first down"
[/quote]


darn it, i forgot to look at the rule book, lol

[purple.n.black]

[quote name='OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL' timestamp='1292096370' post='569853']
The key is the shotgun, would have helped Sunday night
[/quote]
Who would go 5 wide without being in the shotgun?

[George70]

[quote name='omar586' timestamp='1292094207' post='569827']
here's a solution to our horrendous running game, y dont we put Cousins as RG, and kick out Chester as an extra blocker, or as FB---> so he can block for all 3 RBs and we use him in the jumbo package, what u guys think, instead of shelving cousins and not using him at all. we could see this formation(it might b illegal but u get the point) MNF:

--------------ohr-grubbs-birk-cousins-yanda------Q--
-mase----Dixon----------flaco--------------------
-------------------------chester-------------------
--------------------------rice-----------------
please post any formation or solution to our horrendous running game, so i can call the plays on MNF, i'm the new OC,lol.
[/quote]

This seems to be a solution I can see working, as our running game is - apparently - in need of some help.

If this works, then we should have a chance for the Lombardi Trophy - provided the coaching staff takes it to heart.

[AwakenTheDemon]

So... so far the two suggested "solutions" to our running game is an illegal formation and a five wide shotgun formation *shakes head*

Even if you were to make the Cousins/Chester formation legal, you'd have to also run some passing plays out of it. Otherwise everytime the opposing defense saw Cousins in at guard, they'd know it's a running play... much like everytime they see McGahee in the backfield.

[omar586]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1292115240' post='570022']
So... so far the two suggested "solutions" to our running game is an illegal formation and a five wide shotgun formation *shakes head*

Even if you were to make the Cousins/Chester formation legal, you'd have to also run some passing plays out of it. Otherwise everytime the opposing defense saw Cousins in at guard, they'd know it's a running play... much like everytime they see McGahee in the backfield.
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no, we just gonna put cousins in there permanently,

[AwakenTheDemon]

I think I'd sooner put Moll in there full time than Cousins.

[codizzle]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1292132715' post='570181']
I think I'd sooner put Moll in there full time than Cousins.
[/quote]
Agreed

[RoflDogs]

Cousins > Moll

And the thing we SHOULD have done with the steelers is play out of the shotgun the whole entire game. We did not run ONCE from the shotgun, which was pretty frustrating to see, especially after New England DESTROYED the steelers D by spreading them wide and picking them apart. I was hoping that Cam saw some film on this game and at least try to do what the Patriots did......but of course, we sparingly used the shotgun, and it was only used in passing situations

[AwakenTheDemon]

I wouldn't say that just yet. Moll did fine at RG when he was filling in. Nothing to write home about, but he did a fine job. There's no guarantee that Cousins is ready enough yet to take a hold of that right guard position and not be forced into multiple penalties per game.

[berad]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1292136934' post='570206']
I wouldn't say that just yet. [b]Moll did fine at RG when he was filling in. Nothing to write home about, but he did a fine job.[/b] There's no guarantee that Cousins is ready enough yet to take a hold of that right guard position and not be forced into multiple penalties per game.
[/quote]

He got beat up pretty good by Gerald McCoy in pass-protection, struggled when sharing blocking responsibilities with Yanda. Not saying Cousins would do any better but Moll didn't go without his lumps.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1292137393' post='570210']
He got beat up pretty good by Gerald McCoy in pass-protection, struggled when sharing blocking responsibilities with Yanda. Not saying Cousins would do any better but Moll didn't go without his lumps.
[/quote]

Yeah, like I said, nothing to write home about. Definitely not starting material, but with Yanda at tackle, there's been a gaping hole at right guard all season long. How would Cousins fare? Who knows, but I'm not sure I want to find out just yet.

[JayDaRavensFan]

I think we should spread it out more with like 4wr sets and run with a lot of draws, use more screens just to get Rice into more space. We have some physical wr's who are good run blockers. When we run out of more traditional sets we havent been as effective as in the past. We need to switch it up some.

[BloodRaven]

It's tough for tall guys like Moll to block inside because he's already at a natural leverage disadvantage due to his height, a lack of power and/or bulk doesn't help either.

Could Chester play FB though?

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1292168191' post='570295']
It's tough for tall guys like Moll to block inside because he's already at a natural leverage disadvantage due to his height, a lack of power and/or bulk doesn't help either.

[b]Could Chester play FB though?[/b]
[/quote]

Well, he's played tight end before moving to the offensive line. So I would assume he could play full back. Now the question would be how well could he play at full back.

[halfmike]

I would say the solution is the Singleback-4WR, because the Ravens have the absolute perfect personnel to run that set. It would also force the defense to cover the pass, which frees up the running game.
Every single match up plays to the Ravens favor. You have prototypical outside recievers in Q and Mase, Your slot receivers are Housh and Stallworth. The best part of it is that you have Ray Rice v.s defenses that have to seriously consider the pass. It's insane how easily this works in Madden. It handles every possible defense thrown at it. Seriously, what are you going to do? Stack the box to cover the run? (Throw it deep) Want to play dime? (run and watch what happens).

Here is a basic diagram of the formation:
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[raylewis2014]

i think that they should run more than pass because joe flacco is not one of the elite qbs yet and he is still scared he needs to settle down he has the weapons

[Ngata92NT]

[quote name='JayDaRavensFan' timestamp='1292138531' post='570217']
I think we should spread it out more with like 4wr sets and run with a lot of draws, use more screens just to get Rice into more space. We have some physical wr's who are good run blockers. When we run out of more traditional sets we havent been as effective as in the past. We need to switch it up some.
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QFT

The Ravens are sooo predictable when they run its embarrassing. Seeing McGahee in the backfield is an obvious giveaway. And our interior O-Line has been so horrendous that we need to seriously ease up on the up-the-gut power football stuff because it's earned us the worst YPC average in the NFL, despite having three elite RBs.

My suggestion is the same as yours. It's obvious that we have become a passing team and our power running game has been ineffective. How do other passing teams get production out of the running game? By selling the pass and then running draws, screens, and runs to the outside. Spread the defense out and there will be nice holes for Rice. And Rice is so dynamic in the passing game that teams will be forced to account for him. Once we get the defense spread out and totally keyed in on Rice THEN we start handing off to McClain and McGahee up the middle and have it work.

[saved72907]

Ummm...... how about actually giving Ray Rice 20 plus carries like we should be doing?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='saved72907' timestamp='1292268452' post='571345']
Ummm...... how about actually giving Ray Rice 20 plus carries like we should be doing?
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Giving Rice 20 carries doesn't guarantee holes will be opened. Look at the Pats game where I'm pretty sure he got 28 carries but couldn't even break the century mark let alone break off a big run.

[omar586]

they finally listened to my idea!!!! harb must have read this post, most of u will say that it didn't work, will give them a little time to get used to it, my solution was yanda at RT, cousins at RG, and chester as extra blocker/TE/FB/whatever. we need to run it vs saints, to keep brees on sidelines

[Milton145]

Why would you want Chester as FB when you have McClain? You DO know that as a FB you need to have the explosiveness to just blow open a hole for your RB. I don't think a lineman would have the same explosiveness as McClain to hit the hole fast enough, especially when you have Rice coming in behind you.