Bart Scott/jim Leonhard

[Alexir]

I was on ESPN reading some articles and I came across this one.

[url="http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/22925/overachievers-prevailing-in-afc-east"]http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/22925/overachievers-prevailing-in-afc-east[/url]

I just want to comment on one bit real quick.

"[color=#333333][font=verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Two players New York Jets head coach Rex Ryan identified as critical to his establishing his defense last year were inside linebacker [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4256"]Bart Scott[/url] and safety [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9266"]Jim Leonhard[/url]."[/font][/color]
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[font="verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif"][color="#333333"]I couldn't agree more. I think if one, just one of these guys had stayed in Baltimore our defense would still be amongst the elite on a game to game basis.[/color][/font]
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[font="verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif"][color="#333333"]Leonhard was the guy with magical helmet who received all the plays from Rex on the sideline in Bmore. I'm not sure who is doing that this year, my guess would be Landry again? And Bart did great on the run and pretty darn good in coverage with us too but was very underrated with his interior pass rush. Bart destroyed guards.[/color][/font]
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[font="verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif"][color="#333333"]It's saying a lot that we still haven't found a replacement in Bart and with the poor play of Landry we could of used Leonhard the past 2 years.[/color][/font]
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[font="verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif"][color="#333333"]With that being said, I don't think Tom Brady and company puts up 45 points on the Jets if Jimmy Leonhard is playing that game.[/color][/font]
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[font="verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif"][color="#333333"]Do you guys think SS and Jack Backer are 2 positions we need to look at during the off season?[/color][/font]
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[Bltravens]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1292008995' post='569225']
I was on ESPN reading some articles and I came across this one.

[url="http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/22925/overachievers-prevailing-in-afc-east"]http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/22925/overachievers-prevailing-in-afc-east[/url]

I just want to comment on one bit real quick.

"[color=#333333][font=verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Two players New York Jets head coach Rex Ryan identified as critical to his establishing his defense last year were inside linebacker [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=4256"]Bart Scott[/url] and safety [url="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9266"]Jim Leonhard[/url]."[/font][/color]
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[font="verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif"][color="#333333"]I couldn't agree more. I think if one, just one of these guys had stayed in Baltimore our defense would still be amongst the elite on a game to game basis.[/color][/font]
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[font="verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif"][color="#333333"]Leonhard was the guy with magical helmet who received all the plays from Rex on the sideline in Bmore. I'm not sure who is doing that this year, my guess would be Landry again? And Bart did great on the run and pretty darn good in coverage with us too but was very underrated with his interior pass rush. Bart destroyed guards.[/color][/font]
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[font="verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif"][color="#333333"]It's saying a lot that we still haven't found a replacement in Bart and with the poor play of Landry we could of used Leonhard the past 2 years.[/color][/font]
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[font="verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif"][color="#333333"]With that being said, I don't think Tom Brady and company puts up 45 points on the Jets if Jimmy Leonhard is playing that game.[/color][/font]
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[font="verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif"][color="#333333"]Do you guys think SS and Jack Backer are 2 positions we need to look at during the off season?[/color][/font]
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Jack LB is a for sure area we need to upgrade, simply so our defense doesnt totally fall off the map when Ray retires. There has to be a constant in the middle who is an impact player. Having said that, Bart destroyed Gs in rush defense, he was never a great pass rusher after 06 when we had the best LB unit in the entire NFL. Leonhard may be an upgrade over Landry (maybe), Leonhard doesnt miss that tackle on Redman and is a far more reliable tackler than Landry, at the very worst drags Redman down or slows him to the point others can rally to Redman. But Leonhard is not a good cover safety, which has been well documented this year.

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1292008995' post='569225']
I was on ESPN reading some articles and I came across this one.

[font="verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif"][color="#333333"]Do you guys think SS and Jack Backer are 2 positions we need to look at during the off season?[/color][/font]
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Unless "SS and Jack Backer" can help the offense score points..

[Alexir]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1292009824' post='569233']
Unless "SS and Jack Backer" can help the offense score points..
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Well the offense is set. It's a matter of the coaching staff within the offense that needs to step up.

This is regarding defense and the SS/ILB positions. Go talk offense in one of the other 5,000 threads. I will not bring up "He who must not be named" in this thread.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1292009498' post='569230']
Jack LB is a for sure area we need to upgrade, simply so our defense doesnt totally fall off the map when Ray retires. There has to be a constant in the middle who is an impact player. Having said that, Bart destroyed Gs in rush defense, he was never a great pass rusher after 06 when we had the best LB unit in the entire NFL. Leonhard may be an upgrade over Landry (maybe), Leonhard doesnt miss that tackle on Redman and is a far more reliable tackler than Landry, at the very worst drags Redman down or slows him to the point others can rally to Redman. But Leonhard is not a good cover safety, which has been well documented this year.
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Well said and I agree completely.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1292008995' post='569225']
Leonhard was the guy with magical helmet who received all the plays from Rex on the sideline in Bmore. I'm not sure who is doing that this year, my guess would be Landry again?
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I doubt Landry has the speaker in his helmet. Considering Ray didn't have it when Rex was here, I don't know who does now but I don't think it's Dawan.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1292010990' post='569253']
I doubt Landry has the speaker in his helmet. Considering Ray didn't have it when Rex was here, I don't know who does now but I don't think it's Dawan.
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I think I read an article on here from last year saying Dawan was the guys practicing with it.

[Bltravens]

Does Ray not like hearing the voice in the sky? He seems like an easy choice for the mic...besides his helmet has the green dot on the back signifying a live mic...or am I seeing something way off base lol?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1292011097' post='569257']
I think I read an article on here from last year saying Dawan was the guys practicing with it.
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Must have missed that. Maybe he is. Dude needs to work on form tackling though.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1292011370' post='569260']
Does Ray not like hearing the voice in the sky? He seems like an easy choice for the mic...besides his helmet has the green dot on the back signifying a live mic...or am I seeing something way off base lol?
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Yeah, Ray has the speaker in his helmet. I don't know about when Rex was here, though, whether that was even utilized, but I assume it was.

[XxSizzleXx]

My understanding always was that Ray and Ed didn't have the headsets and did everything old school with signals from the sideline, I remember Jon Gruden or someone talking about how they're old school

[MsMarvel73]

Don't forget...Leonhard WANTED to go.

[Jamal]

Scott was too expensive, with the re-signings of Suggs and Lewis, but letting Leonhard go was a mistake obviously.

Hes not a good coverage safety, but is very good good in everything else. Hes also a sure tackler which can't be said for Lnadry (which he needs to be, since hes not very good at anything else)

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

Which position do you think is of greater need though? I would say ILB because, as much as I haven't noticed many slips from McClain this year, no one we have is anywhere in the league of Ray, and that will be a major position of need soon. I honestly believe we should rotate Landry with Zibby and Haruki more. I think they could both probably do a good job there.