Harrison: The Ravens Tried To Hurt Me

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1291960400' post='568965']
Its way different....Porter deliberately pushed and continued to hit Heap who was limping from a rolled ankle, whereas this was a false start.

How about the accusations of Hines going after Rays knees?
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I stand corrected.

The accusations aren't surprising. Reed also accused of Ward trying to block him with the crown of his helmet(as we've seen him do before) early in the game.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291953583' post='568895']
Not that I'm saying what Chester did was okay but it's no different than what Joey Porter did to Heap a number of years back.
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Ya like the "date" man said, its alot different. That Porter move was completely unbelievable.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1291960400' post='568965']
Its way different....Porter deliberately pushed and continued to hit Heap who was limping from a rolled ankle, whereas this was a false start.

How about the accusations of Hines going after Rays knees?
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Even though I too cringed, I don't blame Joey Porter for that. I think when he realized Heap wasn't "playing possum" he knew what it looked like too.

Chester was clearly up to no good. There was not reason for him to lunge at Harrison, false start or not.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1291953480' post='568891']
I haven't seen any reports of that. I could be wrong but do you have any evidence?
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I misread it. Article stated they weren't sure if the Steelers made the protest official or if the NFL was investigating. But they're aware of the accusation.

[ravensfan160]

James Harrison has been doing a lot of complaining lately. He's sorta starting to sound like a Raven player. haha j/k

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1292004971' post='569175']
Even though I too cringed, I don't blame Joey Porter for that. I think when he realized Heap wasn't "playing possum" he knew what it looked like too.

Chester was clearly up to no good. There was not reason for him to lunge at Harrison, false start or not.
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Some pretty blatant homerism in this post...funny how things are always so clear for you.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1292010081' post='569235']
Some pretty blatant homerism in this post...funny how things are always so clear for you.
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Ditto.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1292004971' post='569175']
Even though I too cringed, I don't blame Joey Porter for that. [b]I think when he realized Heap wasn't "playing possum" he knew what it looked like too.[/b]
[/quote]

Joey Porter is well known for his class and empathy

[1/28/01]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1292004971' post='569175']
Even though I too cringed, I don't blame Joey Porter for that. I think when he realized Heap wasn't "playing possum" he knew what it looked like too.

Chester was clearly up to no good. There was not reason for him to lunge at Harrison, false start or not.
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Ha, Porter's a complete ***!

[AZravensfan]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1292004971' post='569175']
Even though I too cringed, I don't blame Joey Porter for that. I think when he realized Heap wasn't "playing possum" he knew what it looked like too.

Chester was clearly up to no good. There was not reason for him to lunge at Harrison, false start or not.
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I like you and most of the posts you make around here that I read are good. But you have to admit that if you are going to say that Chester was trying to hurt harrison that good old ward had to be up to no good. I am not going to get into the "homerism" thing as i believe all cheap shots should be punished but if your going to question Chester then at least question your own players. I think all of us should do that, dirty plays are just that DIRTY, no matter which team they are on.


I am with Flyn on this one it did look like Chester went overboard a bit on this play. I could say the same thing for multiple occasion on just one of your teams players in just this one game but I am not going to do that. Inseat I will judge my own team and say that was a questionable play by Chester.

[purple.n.black]

Chester false started Harrison took it upon himself to drive Chester to the ground, Chester couldn't stop because the momentum. Then Harrison decided it was time to throw a punch. How was he not suspended?

[berad]

Considering the league hasn't said anything about this incident, it looks like they didn't see anything wrong with it. Chalk this one up to the Steelers, mostly James Harrison, whining without cause. Sorry.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='purple.n.black' timestamp='1292534234' post='577532']
Chester false started Harrison took it upon himself to drive Chester to the ground, Chester couldn't stop because the momentum. Then Harrison decided it was time to throw a punch. How was he not suspended?
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Give me a break with that. Take off the purple glasses.

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1292535157' post='577550']
Considering the league hasn't said anything about this incident, it looks like they didn't see anything wrong with it. Chalk this one up to the Steelers, mostly James Harrison, whining without cause. Sorry.
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just because the league doesn't respond, does not mean it didn't happen. You should know this.

[berad]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1292536802' post='577590']
just because the league doesn't respond, does not mean it didn't happen. You should know this.
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Fair enough. But I still don't see anything malicious or dirty with what Chester did. If you want to explain the definition of a dirty play, explain why James Harrison had his fingers inside of Chester's facemask, poking at his eyes... 0:53 mark...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZL2PyZJ0RE

[thewarden86]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1292539318' post='577638']
Fair enough. But I still don't see anything malicious or dirty with what Chester did. If you want to explain the definition of a dirty play, explain why James Harrison had his fingers inside of Chester's facemask, poking at his eyes... 0:53 mark...


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You're speculating. There is no way you could clearly see his fingers inside the face mask.

That's secondary anyway. Chester's job is to retreat from the LOS in protecting the kicker/holder. A simple false start would have been him backing up. Instead he "false starts" four yards in front of where he was lined up and CLEARLY went low RIGHT AT Harrison. You don't see it because you don't want to.

[berad]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1292540005' post='577646']
You're speculating. There is no way you could clearly see his fingers inside the face mask.

That's secondary anyway. Chester's job is to retreat from the LOS in protecting the kicker/holder. A simple false start would have been him backing up. Instead he "false starts" four yards in front of where he was lined up and CLEARLY went low RIGHT AT Harrison. You don't see it because you don't want to.
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Harrison's actions look pretty damning to me, he made a violent motion with his hand towards Chester's facemask - that part is NOT speculation. But, by the same logic, it's speculation that Chester was trying to cheap shot or do anything dirty to Harrison. And Chester, in no way, "went low". He attacked Harrison's shoulders, not his knees.

Anyways, doesn't matter what you or I think. The NFL gets the last word on these situations.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1292540005' post='577646']
You're speculating. There is no way you could clearly see his fingers inside the face mask.

That's secondary anyway. Chester's job is to retreat from the LOS in protecting the kicker/holder. A simple false start would have been him backing up. Instead he "false starts" four yards in front of where he was lined up and CLEARLY went low RIGHT AT Harrison. You don't see it because you don't want to.
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I normally have a pretty open mind when disussing topics in regards to opposing teams/players, but how in the world did Chester clearly go low when the first contact point on Harrison was his shoulders?

Truthfully, its a moot point, since Ward was seen hitting a few Ravens players in the back, this play was apparently viewed as a Raven taking a cheap shot on a Steeler and I'm sure a few other player "interactions" that weren't exactly sportsmanlike. Its a Ravens/Steelers matchup....it is what it is!

[thewarden86]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1292541759' post='577682']
Harrison's actions look pretty damning to me, he made a violent motion with his hand towards Chester's facemask - that part is NOT speculation. But, by the same logic, i[b]t's speculation that Chester was trying to cheap shot or do anything dirty to Harrison. And Chester, in no way, "went low". He attacked Harrison's shoulders, not his knees.[/b]

Anyways, doesn't matter what you or I think. The NFL gets the last word on these situations.
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NOT. EVEN. A. LITTLE BIT. Chesters position on FG's calls for him to retreat into protection (like pass protection). This is not a secret. You can slice it anyway you want, but he clearly went after Harrison. Anything Harrison did in response is secondary.

You put too much faith in the league front office. Their non-action does not change a thing about what happened. It's just another example of their inconsistency as far as I'm concerned.

[berad]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1292542416' post='577691']
NOT. EVEN. A. LITTLE BIT. Chesters position on FG's calls for him to retreat into protection (like pass protection). This is not a secret. You can slice it anyway you want, but he clearly went after Harrison. Anything Harrison did in response is secondary.

You put too much faith in the league front office. Their non-action does not change a thing about what happened. It's just another example of their inconsistency as far as I'm concerned.
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He fired out but since when does that indicate a dirty play? He attacked Harrison's shoulders, not his knees or any other vulnerable part. In addition, the play could've been a fake-kick, maybe the Ravens saw a weakness and wanted to exploit it for another two points. Again, speculation and highly improbable, but not impossible. There's just no way you can consider it a definite cheap shot.

Chester's false start doesn't excuse Harrison [i](at the very least)[/i] intentionally slamming his hand into an opponents facemask, that is silly, but I'm not arguing that.

Yes, the league is inconsistent. But our opinion on the topic doesn't matter much. Hines Ward should've been flagged/fined for his questionable hits but he wasn't. I'm not going to complain about it because it doesn't change a thing. It is what it is.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1292543006' post='577701']
He fired out but since when does that indicate a dirty play? He attacked Harrison's shoulders, not his knees or any other vulnerable part. In addition, the play could've been a fake-kick, maybe the Ravens saw a weakness and wanted to exploit it for another two points. Again, speculation and highly improbable, but not impossible. There's just no way you can consider it a definite cheap shot.

Chester's false start doesn't excuse Harrison [i](at the very least)[/i] intentionally slamming his hand into an opponents facemask, that is silly, but I'm not arguing that.

Yes, the league is inconsistent. But our opinion on the topic doesn't matter much. Hines Ward should've been flagged/fined for his questionable hits but he wasn't. I'm not going to complain about it because it doesn't change a thing. It is what it is.
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Yea, McClain should have been flagged too, don't ya think?

So you're going with the fake kick excuse huh? Yea, you're not a homer.
Chester wanted to scrap, Harrison backed off. Again, Ray Lewis grabbed Hines' face mask too after the hit. Is that not a penalty also?

[berad]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1292544009' post='577715']
Yea, McClain should have been flagged too, don't ya think?

[b]So you're going with the fake kick excuse huh? Yea, you're not a homer.
[/b]Chester wanted to scrap, Harrison backed off. Again, Ray Lewis grabbed Hines' face mask too after the hit. Is that not a penalty also?
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[i]"Again, speculation and highly improbable, but not impossible."[/i]

Missed that one, I guess. It's just a possible explanation, not excuse, for why Chester may have fired out.

LeRon McClain wasn't even playing in that game. If you're referring to "Spit-Gate" a few weeks ago, the NFL, again, decided not to fine the Raven. Maybe it's not so much the league being "inconsistent", just being conservative and not fining someone unless there is no doubt in a case. So, while you may see it as obvious, most reasonable people do not...

Was it wrong for Chester to false start? Yes. He got a 5-yard penalty. End of story. It's not the dramatic conspiracy that you, or the Steelers, believe it is.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1292544658' post='577721']
[i]"Again, speculation and highly improbable, but not impossible."[/i]

Missed that one, I guess. It's just a possible explanation, not excuse, for why Chester may have fired out.

LeRon McClain wasn't even playing in that game. If you're referring to "Spit-Gate" a few weeks ago, the NFL, again, decided not to fine the Raven. Maybe it's not so much the league being "inconsistent", just being conservative and not fining someone unless there is no doubt in a case. So, while you may see it as obvious, most reasonable people do not...

Was it wrong for Chester to false start? Yes. He got a 5-yard penalty. End of story. It's not the dramatic conspiracy that you, or the Steelers, believe it is.
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Jameel McClain is one of your Linebackers who should have been flagged for a hit on a defenseless receiver. How do you not know this?

And you're wrong, the only people I've spoken too who [u]don't[/u] question Chester's actions are (A FEW) Ravens fans.

FYI -
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJK5xVei-i0[/media]

[hawkprey]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1292542416' post='577691']
NOT. EVEN. A. LITTLE BIT. [b]Chesters position on FG's calls for him to retreat into protection (like pass protection). This is not a secret. You can slice it anyway you want, but he clearly went after Harrison.[/b] Anything Harrison did in response is secondary.

You put too much faith in the league front office. Their non-action does not change a thing about what happened. It's just another example of their inconsistency as far as I'm concerned.
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What happens if you "retreat" when another guy is pushing you backwards? You fall backwards. Even though Chester's job isn't to move Harrison forward, he needs to push him at the angle you saw in order to keep from being decked. Chester continues to fall forward because he was expecting to get hit, so he stumbled and fell over. If he was planning to injure Harrison, I seriously doubt he'd fall down on his own as part of the process.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1292545112' post='577728']
What happens if you "retreat" when another guy is pushing you backwards? You fall backwards. Even though Chester's job isn't to move Harrison forward, he needs to push him at the angle you saw in order to keep from being decked. Chester continues to fall forward because he was expecting to get hit, so he stumbled and fell over. If he was planning to injure Harrison, I seriously doubt he'd fall down on his own as part of the process.
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Sorry Bud, but that's not accurate. Perhaps "retreat" was poor word usage, but it is like pass protection. You don't attack when you're protecting a fixed spot. Chester hit Harrison and knocked them both back. Unfortunately for Chester, Harrison has a low center of gravity. That's probably the only reason he was able to stay upright.

[quote]Guard/tackle Trai Essex, who is on the Steelers' extra-point and field-goal units, said offensive linemen are taught to hold their position and not lunge because it creates gaps in their blocking wall.

"Don't fire out," Essex said. "That opens up gaps."



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[berad]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1292545097' post='577727']
Jameel McClain is one of your Linebackers who should have been flagged for a hit on a defenseless receiver. How do you not know this?

And you're wrong, the only people I've spoken too who [u]don't[/u] question Chester's actions are (A FEW) Ravens fans. [/quote]

Oh, Jameel McClain. Yeah, he should have - they missed it. He was fined $40K, though, so the NFL didn't ignore his case. "Questioning his actions" is not the same as declaring his play as dirty. The only "wrong" thing he did was false start.

Really, it's not any use arguing you, we're both stubborn - especially when it comes to defending our boys.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1292545540' post='577736']
Oh, Jameel McClain. Yeah, he should have - they missed it. He was fined $40K, though, so the NFL didn't ignore his case. "Questioning his actions" is not the same as declaring his play as dirty. The only "wrong" thing he did was false start.
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The only thing we can "prove" is that he false started.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1292545425' post='577732']
Sorry Bud, but that's not accurate. Perhaps "retreat" was poor word usage, but it is like pass protection. You don't attack when you're protecting a fixed spot. Chester hit Harrison and knocked them both back. Unfortunately for Chester, Harrison has a low center of gravity. That's probably the only reason he was able to stay upright.
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I'm just saying when the ball is snapped, the guard still has to push forward even if he moves backwards, otherwise you can get knocked over easily. I just find a problem with the whole "he tried to hurt me" because he clearly didn't come close to hurting him. He stumbled and tripped half a second in. Now are we to blame that on Chester's ineptitude?

[thewarden86]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1292545779' post='577741']
I'm just saying when the ball is snapped, the guard still has to push forward even if he moves backwards, otherwise you can get knocked over easily. I just find a problem with the whole "he tried to hurt me" because he clearly didn't come close to hurting him. He stumbled and tripped half a second in. Now are we to blame that on Chester's ineptitude?
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It wasn't a simple push. He drove Harrison 3-4 yards back. I believe he had bad intentions. I'll leave it at that.

[JonM229]

I think everyone is forgetting a third option:

Chris Chester is just awful

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1292546005' post='577744']
It wasn't a simple push. He drove Harrison 3-4 yards back. I believe he had bad intentions. I'll leave it at that.
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Yeah, let's leave it at that. It was a designed play, Chester went low and tried to break Harrison's knees, and Hines Ward isn't dirty he's just a "physical" receiver. Any other homer quotes for us?