No Audibles Built Into Cam's Offense - Confirmed By Players

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1291924171' post='568340']
Isn't it his duty to call out the blitz pickup? I would assume so, many other QBs do so.
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What is there to call out? When the original protection you have is a protection that should work why change it or call it out. It was just a situation where everyone know exactly what to do expect for the LT and honestly it's unacceptable.

Like Mason said, you gotta call a Spade a Spade. It was Oher fault. Just like the incomplete pass on 4 and 2 was all on Joe.

[codizzle]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1291941011' post='568641']
And here we are still talking about a very elementary mistake in pass protection.....it was a missed assignment by Oher; plain and simple!
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No its not that simple... Its clearly cam's fault i don't see why we are still saying its so simple. ... This is so complex it makes my head hurt from the major complexicity. ... Easily junior high material not elementary

[1/28/01]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1291941285' post='568654']
No its not that simple... Its clearly cam's fault i don't see why we are still saying its so simple. ... This is so complex it makes my head hurt from the major complexicity. ... Easily junior high material not elementary
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Assuming you forgot this - [/sarcasm]

[reediddy]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1291926754' post='568392']
Na for the most part the oline will have their set of audibles for these situations.. Say an audible to slide left to pick up a certain blitz which is what was called and everyone got the memo besides oher
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I'm not seeing that communication during the games to be honest, I'd say it's Birk's job first and foremost to make those calls but obviously Oher should have looked to his left and at least accounted for Polamalu, even if the rest of the players knew.

However, I believe Flacco should have done the same and communicated with his OL and said "Hey Polamalu is on the edge, you guys got him right?"

[berad]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1291939907' post='568621']
Ben didn't have audibles for a while either. When they're comfortable enough that Flacco can handle running the offense, they will come. He's probably just recently become comfortable with calling his own protection [b](and no, that sack/fumble was blown by Oher, not Flacco).[/b]
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Straight from the horse's mouth

[berad]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1291941373' post='568657']
I'm not seeing that communication during the games to be honest, I'd say it's Birk's job first and foremost to make those calls [b]but obviously Oher should have looked to his left and at least accounted for Polamalu, even if the rest of the players knew.[/b]

However, I believe Flacco should have done the same and communicated with his OL and said "Hey Polamalu is on the edge, you guys got him right?"
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He probably thought Rice was going to block him.

[codizzle]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1291941370' post='568656']
Assuming you forgot this - [/sarcasm]
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i like to leave people guessing whether that good or bad its fun to watch

[1/28/01]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1291941663' post='568670']
i like to leave people guessing whether that good or bad its fun to watch
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Im pretty sure I get you everytime you post, but not always 100%. I dig it.....

[codizzle]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1291941895' post='568674']
Im pretty sure I get you everytime you post, but not always 100%. I dig it.....
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That's my goal... Mainly since Im on my captivate whenever Im on here so i don't feel like posting long responses so i stick with one liners...

I use sarcasm to point out the obvious 100% of the time lol

[Purple Punishment]

No audibles? So if we see the D on the other end is set up to stop our play, we cant change it to our advantage. Thats like putting a one armed man in a street fight with Mike Tyson

[PSG_Mud]

[quote name='Kwothdaraven' timestamp='1291817625' post='567002']
Just look at how great brees and rivers became as soon as cam left. Flacco has actually been better than both of them in his first 3 years, comparatively
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Ouch thats a dinger of a comment if I ever seen one.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1291941558' post='568664']
He probably thought Rice was going to block him.
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That goes to my point about this offense not doing the little things that make you great. Whenever you speak about great offenses, mainly the Pats and Colts of years past, you hear about how that offense works in unison and everyone is on the same page.

The oline knows exactly what the backfield protection is, the backs knowing exactly were the free man will rush from. The knowing how the line will block and a quick drop and the timing of the offense works.

Right now the Ravens offense just isn't doing those things, or they aren't don't them well enough.

People are saying Joe should have at least pointed Troy out, he didn't have time. Troy walked up to the LOS late and the play clock was running. Now you could say, Joe should have just called a TO, but why waste a TO when u feel you have the blitz covered.

It almost looked like the same defensive play the Steelers ran on the game winning TD in the first game. Troy and another defenser(Harrison i think) walked up to the line with like 4 seconds on the game clock.

With Oher on the edge, he decided to block down, double teaming the insider rusher. That allowed 2 Troy and Harrison to both come free. The only difference was both Heap and Rice were in the backfield to pick up the blitz. This time it was just Rice and his blitz pickup assignment was on the right side of the line.

In both cases Oher made the mistake of cashing down the line and leaving blitzers unaccounted for, only this time it really bite us in the butt.

[Tiznut]

Ravens fan I wasn't trying to say it is all flacco. I like him a lot. The only part of his game that bugs is the occasional time he hesitates.

Other than that I enjoy his play and actually feel confident with him in the 4th unlike any one we had before.

[reediddy]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1291941059' post='568645']
What is there to call out? When the original protection you have is a protection that should work why change it or call it out. It was just a situation where everyone know exactly what to do expect for the LT and honestly it's unacceptable.

Like Mason said, you gotta call a Spade a Spade. It was Oher fault. Just like the incomplete pass on 4 and 2 was all on Joe.
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Well that's my point. Flacco communicates to his OL and RB that Polamalu is coming and either one of them acknowledges that they will pick him up or you call a timeout. QBs are required to manage everyone on the offense and make sure they know what they are doing.

[reediddy]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1291941558' post='568664']
He probably thought Rice was going to block him.
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If Flacco calls it out, shouldn't one of them acknowledge that they are going to pick him up? If there is confusion you call a timeout

[fanlewis]

It is kind of ironic that Bisciotti, who owns a talent and staffing company, let Rex go and hired Harbaugh instead. He didn't recognize that talent, did he?

[berad]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1291957818' post='568943']
If Flacco calls it out, shouldn't one of them acknowledge that they are going to pick him up? If there is confusion you call a timeout
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Yes, hindsight is 20/20 isn't it? It wasn't a Flacco-error if Oher did not pick up the correct man. It was schemed so that every blitzer would be accounted for, Oher missed it.

[quote name='fanlewis' timestamp='1291959091' post='568951']
It is kind of ironic that Bisciotti, who owns a talent and staffing company, let Rex go and hired Harbaugh instead. He didn't recognize that talent, did he?
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Do tell, who won in that match-up? Rex Ryan's team just got destroyed by 42 points, is that the type of "talent" you want in Baltimore?

[fanlewis]

The Ravens are driving down the field throwing a 60-yard pass to the Steelers 25-yard line. The Steelers are flustered and on their heels. What do the Ravens do? They call a timeout to let the opposing Steelers regroup and catch their breathe. The Ravens then back up 15 yards on the next three plays and punt. Great coaching!

[1/28/01]

[quote name='fanlewis' timestamp='1291959091' post='568951']
It is kind of ironic that Bisciotti, who owns a talent and staffing company, let Rex go and hired Harbaugh instead. He didn't recognize that talent, did he?
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Rex? He's a loud mouthed foul man who was gifted the playoffs last year and we'll see how far their "melt down" goes this year....

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='fanlewis' timestamp='1291959091' post='568951']
It is kind of ironic that Bisciotti, who owns a talent and staffing company, let Rex go and hired Harbaugh instead. He didn't recognize that talent, did he?
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It's also ironic that despite having one of the most talented defenses in the league and being coached a defensive guru, the Jets lost their last game by 42 points.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1291957780' post='568942']
Well that's my point. Flacco communicates to his OL and RB that Polamalu is coming and either one of them acknowledges that they will pick him up or you call a timeout. QBs are required to manage everyone on the offense and make sure they know what they are doing.
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But there is nothing to call out or communicate. Troy was already in the box and accounted for in the protect we had.

Yea Flacco could have said something had time permitted, but Flacco could also turn around and remind Rice that he will be handing him the ball everytime it's a running play.

You only call out protection or change them when a defender that you don't account for in your initial protection is not accounted for. Now if Troy walks up over Oher, but then runs to the other side of the formation before the snap of the ball. Flacco would need to point him out in the protection.

There was no need to call a timeout because there was nothing wrong. Oher just didn't do his job. The Steelers tried to take advantage of the young LT and they did.

[fanlewis]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1291959432' post='568952']
Yes, hindsight is 20/20 isn't it? It wasn't a Flacco-error if Oher did not pick up the correct man. It was schemed so that every blitzer would be accounted for, Oher missed it.



Do tell, who won in that match-up? Rex Ryan's team just got destroyed by 42 points, is that the type of "talent" you want in Baltimore?
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Yes, that is the type of coaching talent that I want in Baltimore. The Jets don't have half the talent that the Ravens have.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='fanlewis' timestamp='1291959459' post='568953']
The Ravens are driving down the field throwing a 60-yard pass to the Steelers 25-yard line. The Steelers are flustered and on their heels. What do the Ravens do? They call a timeout to let the opposing Steelers regroup and catch their breathe. The Ravens then back up 15 yards on the next three plays and punt. Great coaching!
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Just stop dude. Oher has drawn false penalties all year. There's only so much the coaches can do. It wasn't their fault the line couldn't open a hole and Rice got dropped for -2 nor was it their fault Joe couldn't get rid of the ball sooner or that no one was open on 3rd and 15.

[berad]

[quote name='fanlewis' timestamp='1291959626' post='568957']
Yes, that is the type of coaching talent that I want in Baltimore. The Jets don't have half the talent that the Ravens have.
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Really? The Jets are one of the most talented teams in the NFL, especially on the defensive side. What, then, accounted for the 42 point loss - only the players?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='fanlewis' timestamp='1291959626' post='568957']
Yes, that is the type of coaching talent that I want in Baltimore. The Jets don't have half the talent that the Ravens have.
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You're wrong. I dislike that entire team with a passion but they are a very talented group from top to bottom.

[thrash5]

That would explain troy coming in so clean smacking joe.they better do something that was to clean

[thrash5]

[quote name='fanlewis' timestamp='1291959091' post='568951']
It is kind of ironic that Bisciotti, who owns a talent and staffing company, let Rex go and hired Harbaugh instead. He didn't recognize that talent, did he?
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The solution to your problem is go in be a jets fan.we need no ryan here dude.GO RAVENS AND THERE COACHING STAFF!!!!!!!!

[reediddy]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291959834' post='568961']
You're wrong. I dislike that entire team with a passion but they are a very talented group from top to bottom.
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What they lack in humility and sportsmanship they make up for in talent, this is true. But when it comes to them having the camaraderie that our team has it's not even close

[Bullrush]

Maybe this is why Polamalu got through unblocked.

[scrock]

[quote name='CNC' timestamp='1291812532' post='566979']
Willis McGahee was on 105.7 The Fan last night. did anyone else catch any of this? Lots of folks were calling in and expressing the same concerns that everyone else on this board has. What McGahee said during his responses was very, very telling. The main thing he talked about, and he said it MULTIPLE times in MULTIPLE ways is.....

There is NO changing the plays at the line in Cameron's offense. McGahee talked about that an awful lot. Basically, Cam calls the plays and the players have to go with what he says....even Joe. The way he talked, there are NO audibles built into this offensive system.

Later in the show, Dante Stallworth was also a guest and backed up McGahee on the comments about the play calling. While they didn't directly throw Cameron under the bus, they (mainly McGahee) made it VERY clear that that don't agree with much of the play calling and there's no way around it because there's nothing built in to make the change. It actually became kind of funny at points. One caller pointed out that most of the time McGahee is in the game, it's a running play. McGahee's comment? "You're right."
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I don't know if that's true, during a game earlier this year Joe was barking orders at the line and the broadcasters were saying how he was calling more audibles today. Sure looked like that's what he was doing...