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[quote name='DuDe' timestamp='1291844776' post='567406']
What would you say if it worked? Because nobody would every expect two fades in a row from the 6.
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How often has it worked this season though?

I clearly remember Cam calling a fade to Q in the end-zone when the offense was at Pittsburgh's 8-yard line in the first game and it failed. It worked against the Falcons but partly because Brent Grimes, the CB defending the play is around 5'9 and misjudged the ball.

Joe doesn't throw a good fade in my opinion. And when you have a 6'1 but big-bodied, physical WR like Q, you don't throw fades to him.

[berad]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291845406' post='567425']
How often has it worked this season though?

I clearly remember Cam calling a fade to Q in the end-zone when the offense was at Pittsburgh's 8-yard line in the first game and it failed. It worked against the Falcons but partly because Brent Grimes, the CB defending the play is around 5'9 and misjudged the ball.

[b]Joe doesn't throw a good fade in my opinion. And when you have a 6'1 but big-bodied, physical WR like Q, you don't throw fades to him.[/b]
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Where's Clarence Moore when you need him?

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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1291845753' post='567435']
Where's Clarence Moore when you need him?
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Where's Randy Hymes when you need him?

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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291845950' post='567438']
Where's Randy Hymes when you need him?
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Both are bagging groceries. Maybe we just shouldn't run fades until we get 6'3+, ~210 lb receiver that can jump up and battle for the ball

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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1291846467' post='567455']
Both are bagging groceries. Maybe we just shouldn't run fades until we get 6'3+, ~210 lb receiver that can jump up and battle for the ball
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Actually, Hymes is a proud member of the Bossier-Shreveport Battle Wings of Arena Football 1.

But I agree with you. If only Cam did.

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[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291846791' post='567463']
[b]Actually, Hymes is a proud member of the Bossier-Shreveport Battle Wings of Arena Football 1.
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But I agree with you. If only Cam did.
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HAHAHA that's hilarious. Good for him, though.

[jaege]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291792473' post='566928']
No, he isn't. He delegates responsibility to coaches who've done it longer than him. Granted, while it's become painfully clear he needs to tighten the reigns, he isn't directly responsible for everything the coordinators do.
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You guys ever hear the phrase "the buck stops here"? That is the sign that should hang over Harbaugh's desk. It is his, and only his, sole responsibility to make this team live up to its potential. That is why he makes the big bucks.

Now he doesn't do it alone, that is why he has a boatload of staff, but he runs that staff. They work for him. If a coordinator is screwing up then it is on Harbaugh to set him straight. I am not saying that Harbaugh is to blame for whatever (if any) issues the team is having, but it is damn sure his job to fix them. It isn't fair to hold him accountable for the 1st time a mistake is made, but if it is made again (and again, and again) then he is responsible. The coaching staff and the players report to him.

Now [u]IF[/u] there is any shame to be handed out for our loss to the Steelers, then the head coach should be at the head of that line.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1291841715' post='567336']
Its definitely a smart play call, but not in that situation. There is no reason to do anything but run the ball, passing is too risky.
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But see the problem with that is, the Ravens gain five yards on 1st down. The Steelers had been stopping our run all game. The Steelers defense was actually run blitzing on that very same play. So lets say that's a run play instead of a pass, Troy P still comes untouched and the Ravens loss 5-6 yards on the play.

Well now we are looking at 3rd down and 10-11. Now the Ravens are either forced to throw the ball on 3rd and long or call a run play that probably won't get the first down you just want to run call.

Then everyone would be screaming to high heavens about how Cam has no guts, and doesn't trust in his young QB enough to allow him to at least try and get a 1st down to close the game out. Instead Cam just called 3 straight run plays against what is the number 1 run defense in the NFL. A Defense that stopped you from running the ball all night long.

No matter how it is view, that play should have resulted in a 1st down and that game should have been closed out, had the players on field paid attention to detail and executed properly.

At the point of that pass attempt it was 3:22 left on the clock and the Steelers had 2 timeouts plus the 2 min warning left. If Cam calls 2 more running plays and we fail to get a 1st down. The Steelers are getting the ball back with about 2:30 left on the clock(depending how they use TOs) and the game on the line. We've all seen that ending to a game play out before.

I hear fans all the time say Cam is too conservative and doesn't play to win the game, instead he plays not to lose. Well in that situation Cam played to win the game and he gave his offense every opportunity to do so, and they failed to get it done.

To look back on that play now, yes it's easy to say that anything but a run is too risky. But run the ball and don't get it, people are saying it was too conservative.

I'm willing to say that 9 times out of 10, offenses led by guys like Brady, Brees, Manning, Rivers, Rodgers, and even Ben, would have attempted that pass in that same exact situation. Only difference is, those offenses usually takes care of the little things and convert those plays into 1st downs to seal the game. Cam gave the 11 guys on the field at that time the opportunity to be just like those offenses and we couldn't get the job done. Hindsight always has prefect vision.

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

I think the head coach should be held accountable when his coordinators are not calling the correct plays. He is the Head Coach and should be in Cam's ear throughout the game and when plays are not working he should set Cam straight. I have posted many times that Cam does not call plays based on players abilities, he calls a certain scheme that he thinks our players should execute and many times his plays don;t work. Someone needs to set Cam straight on his playcalling and that should be Harbs.

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[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1291847354' post='567475']
You guys ever hear the phrase "the buck stops here"? That is the sign that should hang over Harbaugh's desk. It is his, and only his, sole responsibility to make this team live up to its potential. That is why he makes the big bucks.

Now he doesn't do it alone, that is why he has a boatload of staff, but he runs that staff. They work for him. If a coordinator is screwing up then it is on Harbaugh to set him straight. I am not saying that Harbaugh is to blame for whatever (if any) issues the team is having, but it is damn sure his job to fix them. It isn't fair to hold him accountable for the 1st time a mistake is made, but if it is made again (and again, and again) then he is responsible. The coaching staff and the players report to him.

[b]Now [u]IF[/u] there is any shame to be handed out for our loss to the Steelers, then the head coach should be at the head of that line.[/b]
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You're entitled to that opinion but on the game's two biggest plays, how exactly could Harbaugh have changed things? Was it his fault Joe didn't point out Polamalu or Oher didn't pick him up even though Harrison crashed inside? Was it Harbaugh's fault Joe didn't set his feet on the 4th and 2 pass to Dickson?

I agree some blame should be put on him but players play the game and they deserve some blame too as much we've harped on the coaching since the defeat.

[True]

This is like expecting Jerome Bettis or Bill Cowher to be objectionable about the Steelers...

He's a Steelers fan on an opinionated segment and I'm not surprised to see that the Ravens are on there. If it was a more esteemed writer or analyst then I would hold some weight into this.

[theFRANCHISE]

Not to be a jerk, but who the hell is Dave Dameshek; why did he make me close the browser tab as soon as he opened his mouth; and if his opinion is supposed to matter, why had I not heard of him until now?

[jaege]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291848255' post='567507']
You're entitled to that opinion but on the game's two biggest plays, how exactly could Harbaugh have changed things? Was it his fault Joe didn't point out Polamalu or Oher didn't pick him up even though Harrison crashed inside? Was it Harbaugh's fault Joe didn't set his feet on the 4th and 2 pass to Dickson?

I agree some blame should be put on him but players play the game and they deserve some blame too as much we've harped on the coaching since the defeat.
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I did not say that there was a problem. Do you see anywhere in that post that I am suggesting the Ravens made an error? Did I mention any play in any game? All I am saying is that if a issue exists, if there is some sort of a problem it is Harbaugh's job to fix it.

He is the one who is and should be held accountable. That is what he gets paid to do.

Do you disagree with that?

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[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1291850224' post='567544']
I did not say that there was a problem. Do you see anywhere in that post that I am suggesting the Ravens made an error? Did I mention any play in any game? All I am saying is that if a issue exists, if there is some sort of a problem it is Harbaugh's job to fix it.

He is the one who is and should be held accountable. That is what he gets paid to do.

Do you disagree with that?
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I brought up those plays as a response to you saying Harbaugh should be the first to receive "shame" for the result when arguably the two biggest plays of the game failed due to player execution.

I think the entire team should be held accountable.

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Harbs not keeping up with appearances recently