It's Clear: Mattison Is Far Better Than Given Credit For

[flynismo]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1291750322' post='566130']<br />A coach who inherited a defense full of great players and has 1 good game and he's suddenly a lot better than we thought? Mattison needs to go...our defense shouldn't have taken 10 weeks to get going...come on<br />[/quote]

Two things:

1. Where are you guys coming up with the idea that I am making this statement based off of one game, against Pittsburgh?? I clearly said when players beat their one on one assignments like they have been FOR THE PAST MONTH.

2. Secondly, Mattison inherited a defense that pales in comparison to what Ryan had at his disposal.


Now, can we keep Ryan out of the conversation and focus on what Mattison is doing?

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1291750322' post='566130']
A coach who inherited a defense full of great players and has 1 good game and he's suddenly a lot better than we thought? Mattison needs to go...our defense shouldn't have taken 10 weeks to get going...come on
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Ravens defense is ranked #7 and has given up 201 points which is good for #4 in the NFL. Are the Ravens supposed to give up 0 points every week? Even there "horrible" secondary is in front of the Jets who supposedly have 2 shutdown CBs. The Ravens defense has lost 1 game. The Falcon game, the other games the offense Cincy(offense turned the ball over), New England(Did nothing in the 2nd half and overtime while trying to sit on a 10 point lead), Pittsburgh(offense couldn't get more than 10 points).

[JayDaRavensFan]

Gotta admit that this defense seems to peak late in the season and I got no problem with that as long as we're winning games. The offense always seems to tail off and that is the real problem. Mattisons schemes arent flashy but if the players run them correctly they're effective. The one touchdown Pitt scored was off a turnover and its the first the defense gave up after a turnover this year. The defense has a couple bad games each year but every defense does. Overall I think the defense is gettin it done.

[Jamal]

[quote name='TSizzle00' timestamp='1291750343' post='566133']
They lost to the Browns becuase Brady had a bad game and they couldnt stop Hillis on defense. Patriots still dink and dunk there way down the field. Tom Brady has not really had huge games against the Ravens since before 08. Every game has been close except for the blowout win against them in the playoffs.
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I think there defense has really improved though, and I don't have much confidence in our offense.

[flynismo]

[quote name='TSizzle00' timestamp='1291749734' post='566109']<br />Give me a break they knew what kind of offense they were going to become when Moss left. Exactly what it was before he got there. Dink and Dunk and let the WRs, TE, and RBs get all the YAC. He did it against the Ravens and hes done since then.<br />[/quote]

Yeah, I have to agree with that. In fact, for god knows what reason, they seemed to be trying to turn Moss into another Welker before letting him go.

[RL52TheGreatest]

The biggest thing that's really hurt the defense this year has been poor tackling. Otherwise, Mattison has called some pretty good games and has put players in good positions to make plays. Also, the defense has really turned it up since the Bills game which shows that Mattison can make adjustments and get things fixed for the next game. Something that our other coordinator doesn't seem to know how to do.

[scrock]

[quote name='TSizzle00' timestamp='1291750664' post='566145']
Ravens defense is ranked #7 and has given up 201 points which is good for #4 in the NFL. Are the Ravens supposed to give up 0 points every week? Even there "horrible" secondary is in front of the Jets who supposedly have 2 shutdown CBs. The Ravens defense has lost 1 game. The Falcon game, the other games the offense Cincy(offense turned the ball over), New England(Did nothing in the 2nd half and overtime while trying to sit on a 10 point lead), Pittsburgh(offense couldn't get more than 10 points).
[/quote]

People have been calling for Mattison's head all season...for his inability to change up on defense. The past few weeks have been better but before that it was bad...he never mixed things up to try to confuse the offense, we couldnt get to the QB to save our lives, the players are the reason we are ranked where we are, not Mattison. Vanilla is how I wouuld describe his schemes on defense. Ray Lewis should be the D coordinator.

[ravensfan160]

Lets hold off on the praise until after next week. Lets face it. We are very familiar with the Steelers and on top of that they were decimated with injuries. Frankly, our defense did what they should have done in that situation.

If we go to Houston on Monday Night Football and hold them below 20 points, then I think we have reason to be excited.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1291750322' post='566130']
A coach who inherited a defense full of great players and has 1 good game and he's suddenly a lot better than we thought? Mattison needs to go...our defense shouldn't have taken 10 weeks to get going...come on
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Please name all these great players...I count 4 out of 11 and the rest of them are about as average as average gets and a couple should be thankful that I called them average.

This type of thinking is so skewed its stupid, our D shouldnt have taken 10 weeks, how about Mattison and the front 7 saving the whole damn Jets game in front of the world to see. The next week Mattison gave Flacco a chance to tie the game late in the 4th even though he'd already thrown 3 damn ints.

C'mon son.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1291750829' post='566152']
I think there defense has really improved though, and I don't have much confidence in our offense.
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Everytime I want to believe our offense can win it they go into a shell for the rest of the game...

[scrock]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1291751045' post='566161']
Lets hold off on the praise until after next week. Lets face it. We are very familiar with the Steelers and on top of that they were decimated with injuries. Frankly, our defense did what they should have done in that situation.

If we go to Houston on Monday Night Football and hold them below 20 points, then I think we have reason to be excited.
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exactly

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1291750957' post='566157']
People have been calling for Mattison's head all season...for his inability to change up on defense. The past few weeks have been better but before that it was bad...he never mixed things up to try to confuse the offense, we couldnt get to the QB to save our lives, the players are the reason we are ranked where we are, not Mattison. Vanilla is how I wouuld describe his schemes on defense. Ray Lewis should be the D coordinator.
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I will say his blitzs dont work well but I think some of it is the players just not doing well. Should be no shock that the pass rush improved when JJ started playing a lil better and Suggs was not the only real pass rusher.

[flynismo]

[quote name='JayDaRavensFan' timestamp='1291750751' post='566149']Mattisons schemes arent flashy but if the players run them correctly they're effective.[/quote]

And there you have it ... this is precisely what I am trying to convey.
Since Mattison doesn't have the personnel ryan did, it is pointless (and unfair) to compare the two. But when we look at how Mattison does when working with what he is given, then I think clearly he is a worthy successor in a long line of great DC.

#3 defense last year, #7 and rising this year. The man knows his ****.

[scrock]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1291751117' post='566164']
Please name all these great players...I count 4 out of 11 and the rest of them are about as average as average gets and a couple should be thankful that I called them average.

This type of thinking is so skewed its stupid, our D shouldnt have taken 10 weeks, how about Mattison and the front 7 saving the whole damn Jets game in front of the world to see. The next week Mattison gave Flacco a chance to tie the game late in the 4th even though he'd already thrown 3 damn ints.

C'mon son.
[/quote]

So let me get this right, you're giving all the credit to Mattison for our defenses ranking for the season, all the stops they make, everything....

Uhh....I didn't think so. It's the players, Rex was here and he had most of the same players and our defense was always causing havok, thus the name Organized Chaos. Under Mattison it has been tame...nothing great, nothing utilizing the players skills that we have.

Lewis, Reed, Landry, Suggs, Ngata, Gregg, Webb, JJ....plenty of players on that defense..even some of our backups could start for other teams.

Having a negative opinion of our players to prove your point guy? come on SON

[scrock]

[quote name='TSizzle00' timestamp='1291751267' post='566171']
I will say his blitzs dont work well but I think some of it is the players just not doing well. Should be no shock that the pass rush improved when JJ started playing a lil better and Suggs was not the only real pass rusher.
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That's why the Kindle injury hurt so bad...JJ is a fine player but he is no elite pass rusher, Suggs is all we have and that's why its would be nice if Mattison had some imagination...Rex Ryan knew this and he made it work

[flynismo]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1291751045' post='566161']<br />Lets hold off on the praise until after next week. Lets face it. We are very familiar with the Steelers and on top of that they were decimated with injuries. Frankly, our defense did what they should have done in that situation.<br /><br />If we go to Houston on Monday Night Football and hold them below 20 points, then I think we have reason to be excited.<br />[/quote]

No, I'm not holding off on the praise, because honestly, he has never been given the praise that he has ALREADY earned. Since they day he took over, people have bashed him. It's time for the Mattison bashers to man up and give him credit, not for bashing him every time Fabian blows his coverage or when our DL can't penetrate a wet paper bag.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1291751405' post='566179']
So let me get this right, you're giving all the credit to Mattison for our defenses ranking for the season, all the stops they make, everything....

Uhh....I didn't think so. It's the players, Rex was here and he had most of the same players and our defense was always causing havok, thus the name Organized Chaos. Under Mattison it has been tame...nothing great, nothing utilizing the players skills that we have.

Lewis, Reed, Landry, Suggs, Ngata, Gregg, Webb, JJ....plenty of players on that defense..even some of our backups could start for other teams.

Having a negative opinion of our players to prove your point guy? come on SON
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Landry has had some poor lapses in coverage and given up 2 TDs with his soft tackling, Gregg has been up and down all season, JJ is just starting to get going the last 2 weeks. Ravens D is not as talented as years past. Still a good defense though.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1291751550' post='566185']
No, I'm not holding off on the praise, because honestly, he has never been given the praise that he has ALREADY earned. Since they day he took over, people have bashed him. It's time for the Mattison bashers to man up and give him credit, not for bashing him every time Fabian blows his coverage or when our DL can't penetrate a wet paper bag.
[/quote]
Let me turn it right back on you...

If it's not okay to bash Mattison when a player blows a coverage or a lineman can't get to the QB, then why is it okay to praise him when they do?

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1291751483' post='566182']
That's why the Kindle injury hurt so bad...JJ is a fine player but he is no elite pass rusher, Suggs is all we have and that's why its would be nice if Mattison had some imagination...Rex Ryan knew this and he made it work
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Rex Ryan is also the moron who wont stop blitzing even if the secondary is getting toasted. That is one thing I do like about Mattison.

[flynismo]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1291750957' post='566157']<br />People have been calling for Mattison's head all season...for his inability to change up on defense.[/quote]

Correction - SOME PEOPLE. And frankly, those people just don't know what they are talking about. Mattison has always made adjustments.


[quote]the players are the reason we are ranked where we are, not Mattison.[/quote]

You're right about that. If they had been doing their jobs all season, not just the last month or so, this defense would be ranked much higher than seventh.


[quote]
Vanilla is how I wouuld describe his schemes on defense.[/quote]

Very original. Whatever you wish to label it, I like it.

[Jamal]

[quote name='TSizzle00' timestamp='1291751145' post='566166']
Everytime I want to believe our offense can win it they go into a shell for the rest of the game...
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Exactly. BB is too smart for our predicable offense to have any chance.

[flynismo]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1291751748' post='566195']<br />Let me turn it right back on you...<br /><br />If it's not okay to bash Mattison when a player blows a coverage or a lineman can't get to the QB, then why is it okay to praise him when they do?<br />[/quote]


err ... maybe because that is what they are SUPPOSED to do (not blow coverage, beat their assignments)?


*Edit*

Not trying to bash on you, ravensfan160, but this mentality is exactly my big problem with people who are always clamoring for Matty's head. They look for excuses to not acknowledge how good Mattison is. It's as if they already made up their minds, and nothing Mattison ever does can change that.

I bash Cam Cameron all the time, and believe with all my heart that he needs to go. But I constantly give him credit as well (well, not much of that the last couple weeks, but he hasn't done anything to earn it)

[reediddy]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1291752157' post='566208']
err ... maybe because that is what they are SUPPOSED to do (not blow coverage, beat their assignments)?
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Right, and praising Mattison when the players get their job done is good because that means he is putting them in a position to succeed. That's the point of a head coach, OC, DC etc. Know your personnel and put them in the right places and have them doing the right things so they look like all-stars.

Explains why so many players have succeeded in our system but then don't produce at all when they are put in a different one. Mattison is a very good DC, and it's evidenced by the stats. Our defense SHUT DOWN the Steelers Sunday night, but obviously giving a team a short field and having the defense come back out quickly never bodes well but that's a completely different topic

[hawkprey]

I loved watching us stop the run last game. And every run down you'd see Suggs pop out of the line like "Hey, I beat my man. What's up with you guys?" They didn't dare run it to him.

[UMDan]

The Texans may test our D a little bit. If we keep them below 20 points I think we will have done pretty well. Our D has come together nicely, consequently, as our Offense is falling apart at the seems. I never doubted Mattison or the talents of our defense tremendously, so hopefully they continue to impress in the weeks to come, we have two rough offensive teams in the next two weeks,

[XxSizzleXx]

You have to admit one thing though, if Rex was our DC we could likely be much higher in the turnover differential. Which would in turn give the offense more chances and likely win a few more games.

[XxSizzleXx]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1291752822' post='566228']
I loved watching us stop the run last game. And every run down you'd see Suggs pop out of the line like "Hey, I beat my man. What's up with you guys?" They didn't dare run it to him.
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Not one team has consistently ran at Suggs in a game, too much of a beast in the run game. Teams have been picking on JJ's edge which is the reason that Ngata has been playing beside him the last few weeks.

[flynismo]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1291754330' post='566265']
You have to admit one thing though, if Rex was our DC we could likely be much higher in the turnover differential. Which would in turn give the offense more chances and likely win a few more games.
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It's possible. But with it would also come the likely increase in big plays given up.

[XxSizzleXx]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1291754451' post='566271']
It's possible. But with it would also come the likely increase in big plays given up.
[/quote]

Ahah, very true. There is always two sides to the story!

I'm actually curious to see our big plays given up at this point compared to last year, I bet it has to be half as many.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1291752157' post='566208']
err ... maybe because that is what they are SUPPOSED to do (not blow coverage, beat their assignments)?


*Edit*

Not trying to bash on you, ravensfan160, but this mentality is exactly my big problem with people who are always clamoring for Matty's head. They look for excuses to not acknowledge how good Mattison is. It's as if they already made up their minds, and nothing Mattison ever does can change that.

I bash Cam Cameron all the time, and believe with all my heart that he needs to go. But I constantly give him credit as well (well, not much of that the last couple weeks, but he hasn't done anything to earn it)
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Thats cool man. I see what you are saying but at the same time don't understand where your loyalty to Mattison is coming from.

As for you praising Cam Cameron when he warrents it, thats probably because offensive playcalling is easier to judge IMO. Calling a screen at just the right time is clear to see. Whereas defensive playcall, especially Mattison who runs a ton of base defense, is really all a matter of guys winning one on one battles. If one game the 3 man rush doesn't get there and our secondary gets torched will you really jump on the d-line first and not the coordinator? When something isn't working its his job to try something else and its an apparent lack of that that gives people reason to criticice. It just so happened that this past game our 3 man rush actually got there more times than not.

As a general rule, I don't think coaches deserve as much blame as they get but they also don't deserve as much praise as they sometimes get. But its the nature of the sport, every sport in fact, that coaches get fired first because you can't fire the team.