It's Clear: Mattison Is Far Better Than Given Credit For

[flynismo]

When our players actually, you know, win their one on one assignments, our defense plays like theyy have been for the past month. Is it just a coincidence that when guys step up and play like they are supposed to, our defense looks great?

Cmon fellas, the Matty haters are out in full force when the guy farts too loud any other time, why have you been so quiet lately?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1291744616' post='565967']
[b]When our players actually, you know, win their one on one assignments, our defense plays like theyy have been for the past month[/b]. Is it just a coincidence that when guys step up and play like they are supposed to, our defense looks great?

Cmon fellas, the Matty haters are out in full force when the guy farts too loud any other time, why have you been so quiet lately?
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I thought the scheme helped you win one-on-one match-ups?

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

I like Mattison and his play calling much more than I do Cam and his play calling. The defense has been, bar a few minor slips, a solid unit again. Take away the Browns' game, and the monster yardage amassed by Fitzpatrick due to horrific corner play all game and our D has been playing very good all year again.

Shame I can't say the same for the offense.

[beasy2487]

The difference between Cam and Mattison:

Arrogance & Stubbornness vs. Humility & Flexibility

Caveat: I think the defensive history of this team and Mattison coming up from the college ranks makes him more flexible because he understands the standard his predecessors have set for him and the caliber of players we have on this team.

In Cam's case, the bar on offense has been set so low because of history he doesn't have as much pressure because he's simply competing against himself.

That said, Mattison's approach and ability to adjust is admirable, and while Cam can't be blamed entirely for our offensive woes, he's where they start.

[Jamal]

Again, lets not overreact to a performance against an average offense. Lets see what this D can do against the Texans.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1291744867' post='565973']
I like Mattison and his play calling much more than I do Cam and his play calling. The defense has been, bar a few minor slips, a solid unit again. Take away the Browns' game, and the monster yardage amassed by Fitzpatrick due to horrific corner play all game and [b]our D has been playing very good all year again.[/b]

Shame I can't say the same for the offense.
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The 4th quarter collapses against the Patriots and Falcons were pretty ugly. Then again, had the offense not done nothing most of the second half against NE or the entire first half in Atlanta, maybe the D wouldn't have had to try and protect a small lead.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1291745187' post='565979']
Again, lets not overreact to a performance against an average offense. Lets see what this D can do against the Texans.
[/quote]
I think its a culmination of over 2 years of solid defensive outputs, we had a game won in NE with Mattison holding the Pats to what 10 points at half before Cam sold him out and left him out to dry. Rex just got torched with a far better secondary. Mattison has done I think about as good of a job as he could with 3 impact players on defense.

[H8R]

PASS rush has improved..... Pass D has now improved... Coincidence? I think NOT!

[H8R]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1291745640' post='565992']
I think its a culmination of over 2 years of solid defensive outputs, we had a game won in NE with Mattison holding the Pats to what 10 points at half before Cam sold him out and left him out to dry. Rex just got torched with a far better secondary. Mattison has done I think about as good of a job as he could with 3 impact players on defense.
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ryans Secondary has statisically been worse then ours... What do you think Mattison would do with Cromartie, Revis, Reed, Carr? My guess would be domination.

[BloodRaven]

I think it's more an indication of how bad the Steelers pass pro is.

[CorvusCorax]

I've never really been too critical of Mattison. Our defense is doing pretty well, and even better recently. Our pass rush is improved greatly and probably playoff capable. I think it's been more of not winning 1 on 1 matchups versus defensive schemes.

It's the offense that's worrying me.

[Jamal]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1291745640' post='565992']
I think its a culmination of over 2 years of solid defensive outputs, we had a game won in NE with Mattison holding the Pats to what 10 points at half before Cam sold him out and left him out to dry. Rex just got torched with a far better secondary. Mattison has done I think about as good of a job as he could with 3 impact players on defense.
[/quote]
I think Mattison has done a good job all year, and gets way too much blame.

But to be fair, we didn't face this team. They were still trying to find out what kind of offense they were going to become with Moss gone.

[charchboii]

yall have to look at last nights game too. The Pats murdered the jets and 3 weeks ago they murdered the steelers.Then look at what we were able to do, only giving up 20 points. Thats good. And mattison maybe better than Rex Ryan a lil cuz wen he gose agianst Manning or brady he easily gives up 30 points but when mattison gose against them the most we give up is 23

[True]

I loved Rex Ryan's exotic defenses while he was here. "Organized Chaos" was just great and made you really appreciate defense. That 2006 year was one of the best since I wasn't old enough to remember the 2000 Ravens defense.

Mattison doesn't have any exotic defenses but he's done well to keep up the standard of Top 5 defense that is expected from the Ravens with less skill players than Rex. If you can add a physical CB and a OLB opposite Suggs to create a vaunted pass rush I feel we can get back close to that '06 shape.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='True' timestamp='1291746997' post='566031']
I loved Rex Ryan's exotic defenses while he was here. "Organized Chaos" was just great and made you really appreciate defense. That 2006 year was one of the best since I wasn't old enough to remember the 2000 Ravens defense.

Mattison doesn't have any exotic defenses but he's done well to keep up the standard of Top 5 defense that is expected from the Ravens with less skill players than Rex. [b]If you can add a physical CB and a OLB opposite Suggs to create a vaunted pass rush I feel we can get back close to that '06 shape.[/b]
[/quote]

An all-around capable ILB next to Ray is also a need. As a unit, the D performed very well against the Steelers but McClain and Gooden did little to impress me, again.

[hawkprey]

That's the thing about Mattison's defense. Guys are held accountable. When JJ was having more shoulder problems (I assume he's better now) he was a weak spot in the defense. Redding too. But with those guys elevating their game, the defense looks much better.

Glad things are working themselves out late in the year rather than just unwinding now.


Kindle, Cody, and Foxworth next year are going to help this unit become a monster even if Ray is aging.

[flynismo]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1291746054' post='566002']<br />PASS rush has improved..... Pass D has now improved... Coincidence? I think NOT!<br />[/quote]<


No coincidence at all. And no "exotic formations" or "Organized Chaos" needed. Just players doing what they are supposed to do.

[True]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291747206' post='566041']
An all-around capable ILB next to Ray is also a need. As a unit, the D performed very well against the Steelers but McClain and Gooden did little to impress me, again.
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I agree. Gooden always goes for tackles with bad angles and McClain is too inconsistent. I don't know how long Ellerbe is stuck in the doghouse but I'd like for him to get in some snaps to see how he does since he's still got some upside at a young age.

Another LB in the form of Suggs (pass rusher, run stuffer, good coverage) either on the inside or outside will be great since I feel Cody and Ngata could sure up that DLine like Goose/Sam Adams did in '00.

[noy]

From what I've been seeing, I saw some pretty nice blitzing packages last game. Suggs and Ngata picking up the slack also helps a lot; Ngata seems to be improving his pass rushing every game, indirectly giving Suggs an advantage. Overall, I think Matty is fine tuning this defense to becoming elite again.

And our defense has not been playing this way for the past month; this was by far their best performance of the year, so don't even try to pull that.

Players beating their one on one matchups doesn't disprove scheming around the better players in the defense to create havoc. I don't see why it's so hard to believe when that was what Rex did when he was our defensive coordinator...he created illusions and matchup problems...what's so hard to understand about that?

If simply beating a guy one on one was the be all and end all, why was blitzing created? What about zone blitzing? Aren't both a form of creating a mismatch by using schemes? Blitzing is a response to one on one matchups not being quick enough to beat the offense. LeBeau created zone blitzing to further that idea and create speed matchup issues for the offensive line (linebacker/DB vs linemen) while using d-linemen to close a window long enough for the scheme to be effective. THAT is an example of using a weakness as a strength; if your pass rusher isn't getting it done, it's time to confuse and keep the lineman/QB guessing as to who is coming. Mattison seems to be doing that, and I also recall Matt Williamson from Scouts, Inc also talking about the idea that Matty could do a better job at disguising the blitz.

There are other options out there that work, and just because our guys woke up against the Steelers doesn't disprove that idea. I accept that one on one matchups are important, but it is not the only characteristic that defines how well a defense performs.

[True]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1291747656' post='566056']
No coincidence at all. And no "exotic formations" or "Organized Chaos" needed. Just players doing what they are supposed to do.
[/quote]
You don't miss seeing DT/DE dropping into coverage?? (joke)

[flynismo]

[quote name='noy' timestamp='1291747673' post='566058']And our defense has not been playing this way for the past month; this was by far their best performance of the year, so don't even try to pull that.[/quote]

Our defense gave up 10, 26, 13, 10 and 13 points over the past 5 weeks, so yes, I'll pull that if I'd like.







[quote name='noy' timestamp='1291747673' post='566058']
I don't see why it's so hard to believe when that was what Rex did when he was our defensive coordinator...he created illusions and matchup problems...what's so hard to understand about that?
[/quote]


Who doesn't understand that? No one said otherwise, because this is a thread about what Mattison is doing, not what Ryan did do (with players who beat people one on one consistently, I might add).

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='True' timestamp='1291747661' post='566057']
I agree. Gooden always goes for tackles with bad angles and McClain is too inconsistent. I don't know how long Ellerbe is stuck in the doghouse but I'd like for him to get in some snaps to see how he does since he's still got some upside at a young age.

Another LB in the form of Suggs (pass rusher, run stuffer, good coverage) either on the inside or outside will be great since I feel Cody and Ngata could sure up that DLine like Goose/Sam Adams did in '00.
[/quote]

I'm not sure we see Ellerbe again this season barring an injury to Jameel or Gooden. He's been inactive every game since the Falcons game where he committed two penalties.

Yep. Hopefully, Kindle is able to fill the pass rushing need.

[noy]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1291748211' post='566073']
Our defense gave up 10, 26, 13, 10 and 13 points over the past 5 weeks, so yes, I'll pull that if I'd like.

Who doesn't understand that? No one said otherwise, because this is a thread about what Mattison is doing, not what Ryan did do (with players who beat people one on one consistently, I might add).
[/quote]

Haha statistics with no meaning, brilliant!

You mean 10 points to the lowly Dolphins? 26 points against the playoff contender (where we're hoping to contend) Falcons? 13 to the Panthers , 10 to Tampa which is, admittedly, impressive and 13 to the Steelers, which again is impressive. So yes, the defense has NOT had a game like this past one against the Steelers because the quality of the opponent is much higher; the last time we faced such quality was against Atlanta, the outlier in your 5 game statistic.

I'm not the one who brought scheming up in this thread bud, and when that is brought up a comparison to the predecessor is guaranteed.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='noy' timestamp='1291748723' post='566084']
I'm not the one who brought scheming up in this thread bud, and when that is brought up a comparison to the predecessor is guaranteed.
[/quote]

I mentioned the scheme as a joking nod to the arguments that went on in the Mattison thread. We've had this discussion before so there's really no point to rehash old points.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1291746317' post='566011']
I think Mattison has done a good job all year, and gets way too much blame.

But to be fair, we didn't face this team. They were still trying to find out what kind of offense they were going to become with Moss gone.
[/quote]
Give me a break they knew what kind of offense they were going to become when Moss left. Exactly what it was before he got there. Dink and Dunk and let the WRs, TE, and RBs get all the YAC. He did it against the Ravens and hes done since then.

[Jamal]

[quote name='TSizzle00' timestamp='1291749734' post='566109']
Give me a break they knew what kind of offense they were going to become when Moss left. Exactly what it was before he got there. Dink and Dunk and let the WRs, TE, and RBs get all the YAC. He did it against the Ravens and hes done since then.
[/quote]
Not really. They lost to the Browns after facing us. If you think they have been the same team since, you clearly have not been watching many Patriots games.

[ravensfan160]

It certainly doesn't hurt when you have a one man wrecking crew in Suggs playing the way he did. If only he had managed to strip Big Ben of the ball on the Steelers TD drive. Then we'd be hearing how great a player Suggs is instead of Polamalu again.

[scrock]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1291744616' post='565967']
When our players actually, you know, win their one on one assignments, our defense plays like theyy have been for the past month. Is it just a coincidence that when guys step up and play like they are supposed to, our defense looks great?

Cmon fellas, the Matty haters are out in full force when the guy farts too loud any other time, why have you been so quiet lately?
[/quote]

A coach who inherited a defense full of great players and has 1 good game and he's suddenly a lot better than we thought? Mattison needs to go...our defense shouldn't have taken 10 weeks to get going...come on

[flynismo]

[quote name='noy' timestamp='1291748723' post='566084']<br />Haha statistics with no meaning, brilliant! <br /><br />You mean 10 points to the lowly Dolphins? 26 points against the playoff contender (where we're hoping to contend) Falcons? 13 to the Panthers  <img src='http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />, 10 to Tampa which is, admittedly, impressive and 13 to the Steelers, which again is impressive. So yes, the defense has NOT had a game like this past one against the Steelers because the quality of the opponent is much higher; the last time we faced such quality was against Atlanta, the outlier  in your 5 game statistic.<br /><br />I'm not the one who brought scheming up in this thread bud, and when that is brought up a comparison to the predecessor is guaranteed.<br />[/quote]


Okay, you're right, we'll ignore the defense's performance against any team not in the top 5 offensive rankings, because ... well, I'm not exactly sure why. It is totally fair to only base their performance against offenses that can score on anyone, and dismiss the other performances.

So let's evaluate our performance according to these lopsided parameters.
We gave up 26 to Atlanta (well, 19 to Atlanta, and 7 to Ron Winter's crew).
It took New England nearly 5 quarters to put up a whopping 23 points on us.
We held Denver to 17.

Those are the only three offenses worth mentioning that we played this season. I don't see the problem with those totals, nor with Mattison.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1291749902' post='566122']
Not really. They lost to the Browns after facing us. If you think they have been the same team since, you clearly have not been watching many Patriots games.
[/quote]

They lost to the Browns becuase Brady had a bad game and they couldnt stop Hillis on defense. Patriots still dink and dunk there way down the field. Tom Brady has not really had huge games against the Ravens since before 08. Every game has been close except for the blowout win against them in the playoffs.