Merged: McDaniels as new OC?

[The King]

I don't know for sure that I'm in the "Fire Cam," boat just yet, but if we're going to replace him there is no better candidate than Josh McDaniels. McDaniels proved one thing in Denver: coaches should not be made their own personnel man, especially not first time coaches. He might very well have been a good coach, and the numbers his offense was able to put up even after he traded away all of their talent is an impressive resume, and bolsters his body of work play-calling for the 2007 Patriots (a team I would still rank as possibly the best that ever played, despite not winning the Super Bowl, though that's an argument for another day).

He might be what we need to turn Joe Flacco into Tom Brady. I think that it's a chance I'm willing to take if the Ravens can bring him into the fold.

[gabefergy]

IF we were to hire a new OC, I believe that there would be more intriguing options than McDaniels. Norv Turner comes to mind. He may be an awful head coach, but he has an excellent offensive mind.

[Ravenseconbeast]

I'd put Josh as a quarterback trainer, but never as a coach of any kind. Ravens needs to upgrade from what we have. Not add another failed coach that stunk, and grab the guy when his stock is plummeting. (cam was miamis HC, Josh was broncos HC). We need a fresh face that knows modern football, and grab a talent, not some another circus.

[Rav'n Maniac]

No more failed head coaches, pleeeeease!

[SuRihtanil]

Josh has no talent to work with in Denver his QB sucks and even more he has no play makers to throw the ball at... lol I still dunno how he took the Broncos to 6-0 last year. Trust me the Broncos aren't going to get any better without Josh however the Dolphins were better without Cam as head coach... I didn't really think Cam did a very good job as off coach for Chargers before he was dolphins head coach he just gave the ball to LT and let him run it for 1600yards and many TDs a season.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='SuRihtanil' timestamp='1291711709' post='565615']
[b]Josh has no talent to work with in Denver his QB sucks and even more he has no play makers to throw the ball at...[/b] lol I still dunno how he took the Broncos to 6-0 last year. Trust me the Broncos aren't going to get any better without Josh however the Dolphins were better without Cam as head coach... I didn't really think Cam did a very good job as off coach for Chargers before he was dolphins head coach he just gave the ball to LT and let him run it for 1600yards and many TDs a season.
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Orton isn't great but he's no slouch either and seeing as [b]Brandon Lloyd[/b] leads the league in receiving yards, I'd say he's a plamaker. Eddie Royal caught 90 balls as a rookie so I'd say he's pretty talented as well.

[JO_75]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1291704361' post='565550']
Could you imagine the offseason if he was the coach here?

Trades Joe Flacco for Tim Tebow

Trades Boldin to the Steelers for a 4th round pick

Re-signs Leron McClain then trades him to Cardinals for QB Max Hall. McClain then makes the probowl as starting HB

Takes running back in the first two rounds of draft
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Fixed, I don't think Josh would leave Tim Tebow all by himself in Denver, he would find a way to take him with him. Yeah and than in the following year's draft... he would trade down, move back up and take some unknown receiver over a star receiver who was still on the board.(Thomas over Bryant) Though luckily Ozzie would never let him do that. Ozzie would be on the phone quicker to Biscotti than McDaniels could arrive in Baltimore.

[berad]

[quote name='SuRihtanil' timestamp='1291711709' post='565615']
Josh has no talent to work with in Denver his QB sucks and even more he has no play makers to throw the ball at... lol I still dunno how he took the Broncos to 6-0 last year. Trust me the Broncos aren't going to get any better without Josh however the Dolphins were better without Cam as head coach... I didn't really think Cam did a very good job as off coach for Chargers before he was dolphins head coach he just gave the ball to LT and let him run it for 1600yards and many TDs a season.
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Josh McDaniels traded all of his talent. His personality drove players away. And the 6-0 start was fraudulent, we exposed them big time. The Broncos will probably do better without McDaniels because, frankly, it's hard to do worse.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1291738322' post='565813']
Fixed, I don't think Josh would leave Tim Tebow all by himself in Denver, he would find a way to take him with him. Yeah and than in the following year's draft... he would trade down, move back up and take some unknown receiver over a star receiver who was still on the board.(Thomas over Bryant) Though luckily Ozzie would never let him do that. Ozzie would be on the phone quicker to Biscotti than McDaniels could arrive in Baltimore.
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Dez is a beast, but lets not pretend Thomas is like Heyward Bay or something. Thomas is and will be legit.

[TSizzle00]

The two teams he has been on has been caught up in spygate. Coincidence?

[noy]

Guys, stop hyping up his trade antics. It's a poor argument against him, honestly. McDaniels, being the head coach, obviously had more input in the decisions of personnel. If he came here to be the offensive coordinator, he'd have a diminished role in those decisions, not to mention Ozzie, Harbaugh, and our other coaches would also be involved; isn't the discussion of personnel decisions a [i]TEAM [/i]oriented activity?

As for him being an offensive coordinator, I'd really like it. I can understand people arguing that he had "one of the greatest QBs of all time, a strong WR core and a stout offensive line", but look at what we have. There's Joe, a potential star QB (being stunted in growth by our current coordinator) and a deep and experienced group of receivers. The only knock is against our o-line, but that's two out of three variables that come close to McDaniels' experience with the Pats. And let's face it, Cam hasn't lived up to expectations with this group, while McDaniels comes from an organization that is founded upon building an elite offense.

Cam Cameron goes from San Diego to Miami, to acquire Ronnie Brown and work his "genius" to fix the offense. What happens? He barely wins one game, gets fired, comes here, and everybody can see how he is mismanaging his talent. And when it comes to Joe, baby gloves...baby gloves...baby gloves.

McDaniels goes from the Patriots to Denver, and creates a complete mess with Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall. All is lost in Denver, right? Except they [i]still [/i]have one of the best passing offenses in the league (ranked number 4). People are saying they don't have a running game to work with, so it's obvious why they have that statistic. Ok...except the Broncos opponents also know that. What are they aiming more to stop? The pass or the run? I think you answered your own question.

Also, McDaniels has been moaned at for "running up the score", while we're complaining about Cam not putting the nail in the coffin. Call me crazy, but I'd rather have the former than the latter. I also wouldn't object to them firing Cam right now (highly unlikely), because I don't think it's his plays that are the problem, it's when he calls them. It's certainly something McDaniels can work with, and at this point it'd be better he learns to use the established playbook than 11 starters having to relearn one.

The fact is, McDaniels knows how to use talent. Cameron seems to want players to fit his system, and it's not living up to expectations. We've seen flashes of what this offense is capable of, but brief moments won't win a Superbowl or playoff games.

But anyway, here's me [i]still [/i]hoping Cam begins to loosen up...

[BloodRaven]

Don't take the trade jibes seriously, one good joke deserves another. I really believe that for whatever offensive skills McDaniels has, he's far too arrogant and has too much baggage to gain the support and trust of the players here.

[HaX]

we have the receivers go spread em out, please drop the bomb every pass we can do it

[omar586]

what u guys think should we sign josh mcdaniels as OC, fire CAM, Mcdaniels was good as OC in NE, that all we need anyways, and that's how he got the job at Denver. CAM restricts his QB too much. with CAM i dont think we can go far in playoffs

[SuRihtanil]

I think Josh is smart. I do not know if he will be better or not? In NE he was under the best head coach in the NFL so you have to factor that in also?

[Ed_Reed20]

Omar, what makes you think McDaniels would want to sign with this team?

[omar586]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291853223' post='567582']
Omar, what makes you think McDaniels would want to sign with this team?
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he knows deep inside that he's not a HC but an OC.

[Bltravens]

Its too late to sign him right now anyway, if we made a move itd be in the off season.

[Romo Ravens]

Keep giving me the same threads about this situation and I'll say yes everytime. I would like to sign McD and fire Cam, even at this point in the season. Point, blank, period.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='omar586' timestamp='1291853468' post='567584']
he knows deep inside that he's not a HC but an OC.
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Not sure how you know that, assuming you don't know him personally.

But regardless, there's absolutely nothing to say even if the team fired Cam right this minute and called McDaniels he'd sign with the Ravens.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

My friend, a huge Bronco's fan, has said that he thinks McDaniels could take our offense to the next level. The Broncos organisation actually came out and said that they gave him too much power for a rookie HC and shouldn't have burdened him with as many duties as they did. That's obviously something that we wouldn't have to worry about if he was to be the OC, as it would be Harbaugh's job. My only concern would be that Denver's running game has been almost an afterthought this season, something that we couldn't possibly allow to happen due to the quality that we have there. Other than that, I would be excited for sure if we were to get him in.

[stan]

[quote name='noy' timestamp='1291743467' post='565946']

As for him being an offensive coordinator, I'd really like it. I can understand people arguing that he had "one of the greatest QBs of all time, a strong WR core and a stout offensive line", but look at what we have. There's Joe, a potential star QB (being stunted in growth by our current coordinator) and a deep and experienced group of receivers. The only knock is against our o-line, but that's two out of three variables that come close to McDaniels' experience with the Pats. But anyway, here's me [i]still [/i]hoping Cam begins to loosen up...
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Tom Brady is "Tom Terrific" because of the offensive line. Pats can run the ball and throw the ball because of thier offensive line. Without it they couldn't. [b]That's half of the game! How is what we have close to what McDaniels had in New England?[/b][i][/i][u][/u]

If Brady was pressured with a 3 man rush like Flacco is do you think Belichick would stand for that? No!

[noy]

[quote name='stan' timestamp='1292203089' post='570893']
[b]Tom Brady is "Tom Terrific" because of the offensive line. [/b] Pats can run the ball and throw the ball because of thier offensive line. Without it they couldn't. That's half of the game! How is what we have close to what McDaniels had in New England?[i][/i][u][/u]

If Brady was pressured with a 3 man rush like Flacco is do you think Belichick would stand for that? No!
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Heard it before. Didn't make sense then, won't make sense now. The guy is a HOFamer because he has all of the characteristics any team wants in an NFL QB, except mobility. And of course the QB relies on the offensive line, every QB in the league has the same thing said about them.

Way to exaggerate the 3 man rush. I've seen it happen, and it is pretty embarrassing, but it doesn't happen so much that you can use it in an argument to judge the line solely on it. Our offensive line is average, but not as bad as you are alluding to.

Yes, Belicheck wouldn't stand for that. Considering Belicheck taught McDaniels almost everything he knows, would he either?

[stan]

[quote name='noy' timestamp='1292206937' post='570941']
Heard it before. Didn't make sense then, won't make sense now. The guy is a HOFamer because he has all of the characteristics any team wants in an NFL QB, except mobility. And of course the QB relies on the offensive line, every QB in the league has the same thing said about them.

Way to exaggerate the 3 man rush. I've seen it happen, and it is pretty embarrassing, but it doesn't happen so much that you can use it in an argument to judge the line solely on it. Our offensive line is average, but not as bad as you are alluding to.

Yes, Belicheck wouldn't stand for that. Considering Belicheck taught McDaniels almost everything he knows, would he either?
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My intent was not to bash Tom Brady. I was only using Brady as one example because he was coached by McDaniels. I should have chosen my words more carefully and I will.

My intent was to point out that McDaniels wouldn't do any better than Cameron because our QB doesn't have the same protection as Kyle Orton or Tom Brady.

How do you say I exaggerate when you aggree that Flacco has been sacked with just a three man rush? You're right. Our offensive line is average at best. I'm not bashing Matsco. He's done a good job with the players he was given. Right offensive tackle Gaither is out with an injury and we didn't have a replacement. We have a natural guard playing right tackle due to injury. I'm talking about getting better talent for the line not firing coaches.

I believe the Ravens have the best coaching staff in the NFL and any changes made in that area would not help. Charger fans were calling for Drew Brees to be traded or dropped before Cam Cameron took over the offense. Cam also developed Phillip Rivers. I don't know what more a coach can do to prove what he can do.

I say we need one player, a right tackle. Fans will then see a marked difference in the offense.

Average offensive line. Average offense. These threads prove we do not want an average offnese.

[XxSizzleXx]

Wouldn't we then go from a virtually non running team to a complete non running team? I don't like it.

[Jabara]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1292228536' post='571109']
Wouldn't we then go from a virtually non running team to a complete non running team? I don't like it.
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I believe we've already run the ball more this season than last season.

[-Truth-]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1292229001' post='571110']
I believe we've already run the ball more this season than last season.
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This is true. We're just not running the ball effectively.

[Jabara]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1292231106' post='571114']
This is true. [b]We're just not running the ball effectively.[/b]
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This is also true, and a shame.

You would think if other teams take away Rice, our passing game would open up...