Merged: McDaniels as new OC?

[Bishop]

Bring him in LOL.
Just Joking. Doesnt Belichick call all the plays in new england?

[DHaran]

I know it won't happen, but man would I love to hire McD as our OC now that he's fired in Denver. Look what he did with crap at running back and Kyle Orton at QB. He uses Moreno like we should use Rice, and he turned a mediocre QB into a gunslinger. It would be nice to have such a confident and attacking coach running our offense. He obviously has no idea about defense (after all he fired Mike Nolan!), which is why Denver sucks, but we got that covered already!

[Bishop]

He Did not call plays in New England.
To my knowledge Bill Belichick calls everything in new england

[Twoo]

Funny, I told my friend a few weeks ago that I'd KILL to have JMcD as our OC. He wasn't a good head coach but he's a monster play caller.

[hawkprey]

I don't know, what did he do with crap at runningback?

[DHaran]

Belichick calls defensive plays as far as I know. Charlie Weis was his OC for the Super Bowl teams anyway, McD was the QB coach who coached Brady and got Matt Cassel to 11-5 without ever starting a game since high school. The guy is an offensive wizard. Kyle freakin Orton, I mean come on.

[Ed_Reed20]

If McDaniels was such a good OC, how did he not recognize Peyton Hillis is a better RB than Knowshon Moreno or Correll Buckhalter?

[Twoo]

[quote name='DHaran' timestamp='1291678483' post='564540']
Belichick calls defensive plays as far as I know. Charlie Weis was his OC for the Super Bowl teams anyway, McD was the QB coach who coached Brady and got Matt Cassel to 11-5 without ever starting a game since high school. The guy is an offensive wizard. Kyle freakin Orton, I mean come on.
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Amen.

McD was the play caller for the 07 Pats (highest scoring offense ever), 08 Pats (Matt Cassel story) and also took the reins on the majority of offensive play calls for the Broncos when he was HC (turned Orton in to a beast).

It'd never happen, but I'd faint if we cut Cam tomorrow and signed McD. Phew. He's a beast of an OC.

[DHaran]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1291678328' post='564534']
I don't know, what did he do with crap at runningback?
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They have one of the top offenses in the league with no running game. Imagine what he could do with Ray Rice.

[DHaran]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291678597' post='564543']
If McDaniels was such a good OC, how did he not recognize Peyton Hillis is a better RB than Knowshon Moreno or Correll Buckhalter?
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He sucks as a GM, good thing we already have one? If you want to make a point, it should be relevant.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291678597' post='564543']
If McDaniels was such a good OC, how did he not recognize Peyton Hillis is a better RB than Knowshon Moreno or Correll Buckhalter?
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That falls on his drawbacks as a management person, not his talents as an OC...plus Hillis doesnt exactly fit McDaniels offensive schemes. I dont know if I'd want McDaniels anyway, I just cant imagine Flacco in a spread offense.

[Milton145]

[quote name='Twoo' timestamp='1291678270' post='564532']
Funny, I told my friend a few weeks ago that I'd KILL to have JMcD as our OC. He wasn't a good head coach but he's a monster play caller.
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Didn't we say that about Cam ?

[hawkprey]

[quote name='DHaran' timestamp='1291678652' post='564546']
They have one of the top offenses in the league [b]with no running game[/b]. Imagine what he could do with Ray Rice.
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In other words he did nothing at runningback.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='DHaran' timestamp='1291678702' post='564548']
He sucks as a GM, good thing we already have one? If you want to make a point, it should be relevant.
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How is it not relevant? We've seen Cam fail in terms of talent evaluation here but McDaniels has done the same thing in Denver trading away his best RB for nothing and convincing the GM to draft a project QB in the first round.

[berad]

[quote name='DHaran' timestamp='1291678702' post='564548']
He sucks as a GM, good thing we already have one? If you want to make a point, it should be relevant.
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Talent-evaluation is a big part of being a coach. He should have known that Hillis was much better than Brady Quinn. That was a terrible move, he's made terrible moves in Denver.

[DHaran]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1291678914' post='564557']
Talent-evaluation is a big part of being a coach. He should have known that Hillis was much better than Brady Quinn. That was a terrible move, he's made terrible moves in Denver.
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Again, being a GM has nothing to do with running an offense. He would have no personnel decisions, it's completely unrelated. Look at what he does with the players he has, that's all. He's not a head coach, but one hell of an OC.

[Bishop]

[quote name='DHaran' timestamp='1291679010' post='564561']
Again, being a GM has nothing to do with running an offense. He would have no personnel decisions, it's completely unrelated. Look at what he does with the players he has, that's all. He's not a head coach, but one hell of an OC.
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Josh Like to Light up the score board, thats what we need.

[Bltravens]

Dude...what does this mean for Tebow now lol

[reediddy]

Terrible HC/personnel decision maker but I'd love for him to be our OC. He resurrected Brandon Lloyd and Kyle Orton

[berad]

[quote name='DHaran' timestamp='1291679010' post='564561']
Again, being a GM has nothing to do with running an offense. He would have no personnel decisions, it's completely unrelated. Look at what he does with the players he has, that's all. He's not a head coach, but one hell of an OC.
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You obviously do not understand the role of an offensive coordinator.

Talent-evaluation is not a sole privilege of a GM, coordinators and position coaches do it, as well. If you've ever watched "Hard Knocks" then you would know that. McDaniels rids himself of his best players and it cost his team and his job.

The Broncos offense was lackluster under McDaniels. He's an abrasive personality and not someone I would endorse coming here.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='DHaran' timestamp='1291679010' post='564561']
Again, being a GM has nothing to do with running an offense. He would have no personnel decisions, it's completely unrelated. Look at what he does with the players he has, that's all. He's not a head coach, but one hell of an OC.
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Are you serious? An OC makes no personnel decisions? So Cam had no influence on the team signing and drafting multiple weapons this year?

You call me out for making a valid point but counter with this?

What exactly has McDaniels done with the players he has? He's put up inflated passing numbers. When the Broncos offense has had to absolutey put up points this year, they've usually failed.

[grape drank]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1291679291' post='564575']
Terrible HC/personnel decision maker but I'd love for him to be our OC. He resurrected Brandon Lloyd and Kyle Orton
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and our players don't even need resurection they just need something to work with.

Hey Cam its 2nd and 15 against one of the best run defences in the NFL what should we do?

Cam: "Durrr iuno maybe we should run it up the middle??!??!?!"

[DHaran]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1291679391' post='564578']
You obviously do not understand the role of an offensive coordinator.

Talent-evaluation is not a sole privilege of a GM, coordinators and position coaches do it, as well. If you've ever watched "Hard Knocks" then you would know that. McDaniels rids himself of his best players and it cost his team and his job.

The Broncos offense was lackluster under McDaniels. He's an abrasive personality and not someone I would endorse coming here.
[/quote]

Lackluster? What NFL are you watching? They are top 5 in passing. Where are we? If you want to call confident and aggressive "abrasive" then fine, bring it on. Better than 3 and out, punt, and lose. Everyone gave him hell for getting rid of Cutler, who leads the league in INTs over the last 3 years by the way, and meanwhile Orton is having a great season. Matt Cassel is having one of the best season by a QB this year, who coached him again? Oh that's right, McD....

I'm not sure what you are watching, but McD knows offense, and he knows QBs. Right now we need to improve how we are using our QB in our offense. Makes perfect sense to me.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='DHaran' timestamp='1291679749' post='564602']
Lackluster? What NFL are you watching? [b]They are top 5 in passing.[/b] Where are we? If you want to call confident and aggressive "abrasive" then fine, bring it on. Better than 3 and out, punt, and lose. Everyone gave him hell for getting rid of Cutler, who leads the league in INTs over the last 3 years by the way, and meanwhile [b]Orton is having a great season.[/b] Matt Cassel is having one of the best season by a QB this year, who coached him again? Oh that's right, McD....

I'm not sure what you are watching, but McD knows offense, and he knows QBs. Right now we need to improve how we are using our QB in our offense. Makes perfect sense to me.
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It's not hard to be top 5 in passing when you can't run the ball at all.

Statistically, Orton is having a great year but the Broncos have been battered most of the season and their offense has failed terribly in a number of those games.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='DHaran' timestamp='1291679749' post='564602']
Lackluster? What NFL are you watching? They are top 5 in passing. Where are we? If you want to call confident and aggressive "abrasive" then fine, bring it on. Better than 3 and out, punt, and lose. Everyone gave him hell for getting rid of Cutler, who leads the league in INTs over the last 3 years by the way, and meanwhile Orton is having a great season. Matt Cassel is having one of the best season by a QB this year, who coached him again? Oh that's right, McD....

I'm not sure what you are watching, but McD knows offense, and he knows QBs. Right now we need to improve how we are using our QB in our offense. Makes perfect sense to me.
[/quote]

The Ravens basically score as many points per game as the Broncos (we technically score .4 more points). So really... all he has going for him is his passing game. He has no running game and only 3 wins.

[McBurks]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1291679229' post='564569']
Dude...what does this mean for Tebow now lol
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What does this mean for Orton? I mean McDaniels traded for him and made him his QB....

[Alexir]

No thanks. McDaniels can go run back to Brady and Bellichick. We already have had one arrogant offensive coordinator, we don't need to fire him for another one...

[DHaran]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291679434' post='564580']
Are you serious? An OC makes no personnel decisions? So Cam had no influence on the team signing and drafting multiple weapons this year?

You call me out for making a valid point but counter with this?

What exactly has McDaniels done with the players he has? He's put up inflated passing numbers. When the Broncos offense has had to absolutey put up points this year, they've usually failed.
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Need I remind you Cam Cameron was the head coach at Miami and his team was a joke? You wanna talk about terrible head coaches, lol. But he is an OC now anyway, because he doesn't have to make the tough calls anymore, just focus on his job. That being said, he has nothing on McD when it comes to handling QBs.

[DHaran]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291680020' post='564615']
It's not hard to be top 5 in passing when you can't run the ball at all.

Statistically, Orton is having a great year but the Broncos have been battered most of the season and their offense has failed terribly in a number of those games.
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If they had a defense that would also help. Moreno was out several weeks with injuries as well. I think if you gave McD the weapons we have on this team, we would really start to explore our real potential as an offense. Right now Cam is losing games.

[berad]

[quote name='DHaran' timestamp='1291679749' post='564602']
Lackluster? What NFL are you watching? They are top 5 in passing. Where are we? If you want to call confident and aggressive "abrasive" then fine, bring it on. Better than 3 and out, punt, and lose. Everyone gave him hell for getting rid of Cutler, who leads the league in INTs over the last 3 years by the way, and meanwhile Orton is having a great season. Matt Cassel is having one of the best season by a QB this year, who coached him again? Oh that's right, McD....

I'm not sure what you are watching, but McD knows offense, and he knows QBs. Right now we need to improve how we are using our QB in our offense. Makes perfect sense to me.
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That "top 5" designation is misleading, and it's because the Broncos throw it almost as much as any team in the NFL. If we're going off yards per attempt the Broncos sink to in the rankings and have 7.6 yards/attempt. The Ravens are right behind them with 7.5. Orton's "having a great season" because he's inflating his stats in garbage time, they did it versus us.

And I'm not concerned with our passing offense, that has done well this season. If McDaniels can play right guard, we need him, if not, I don't want him.

And McDaniels has proven himself to be a jerk. His players didn't like playing for him and even the passive Broncos owner, who is normally a pushover, fired him.

And can we credit Cameron with Brees' and Rivers' success since you're doing the same for Cassel? Doesn't work that way.