It's Clear: Cam Cameron Is Not An Elite Oc

[NeoZer0]

[quote name='PurpleandBlackBlood' timestamp='1291618121' post='562767']
i stand corrected.

i couldn't agree with you more.

and so begins my " Marty Shottenheimer for OC " campaign.
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Marty is retired. If you listen to him on Sirius NFL radio he is happy being retired.

[die_hard_raven]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1291618745' post='562796']
I gave you a +1 for get rid of Cam but Marty is not the answer. We need to stick to the Ground and Pound. Flacco is not an elite QB. He manages games. Tonight he managed to hold on to the ball to long and gave the game to Pittsburgh.
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I don't think we can really judge how good Joe is until we get someone that knows how to use the tools we have on offense. All those weapons but we don't constantly spread the field and take advantage of players being open. Amazing the Pats have no run game at all but spread the field to get people open. The Ravens do not maximize on their skilled players to the teams benefit. I don't know what Cam bases his calls on but his adjustments are poor, he doesn't stick with something until it stops working and he doesn't take advantage of all of the receivers we signed in order to become a championship team. I've said this before and I'll say it again. Last night showed us all

[ravensfan160]

I kept saying to my dad that a 1 score lead is not enough. It never is against these guys or any elite QB for that matter. Yet Cam continues to take his foot off the gas in the 2nd half.

[berad]

[quote name='Greatness' timestamp='1291623835' post='562990']
Stop being an apologist. Our offense was damn fraudulent and cost us the game. Our defense gave us EVERY OPPORTUNITY to win that game even with all of the Steeler dropped balls. QB sneak on our on 5 yard line 2nd down? Yeah, beast mode play, Cam.
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I'm not apologizing about anything And the QB sneak gave us breathing room on the goal-line, that was a pretty good call. The Steelers dropped balls, sure, but so did the Ravens.

All in all, it was a hard-fought loss. These threads blaming Joe Flacco and Cameron are misguided to an extent. Cameron's play-calling is suspect, as usual, but the execution was poor. Our OL did not come to play, the were manhandled.

[IggyRave]

There are oly two elite OCs in the league o ay give Suday; 1) whoever is Brady's OC, and 2) whoever's goig agaist the Lios.

[HarleypsychRN]

Pathetic, anemic, sad, and insert your own word for the play calling. Sorry, Cam's got to go. Really enough is enough. They should NOT have lost that game...I was there..they dominated most of the game. Hand it to the Squeelers though, good teams find a way to win bad teams find a way to....They should have gone for the field goal. I'd rather put it in Billy's hand (or foot) than Cam's.

[PurpleChaos]

Ravens have played east coast Martyball since last year.
Cam Cameron.....you can't polish a turd sir.

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

"Same old stuff every week"....."stop all the bull____"...."bottom line we're not a good offense" Derek Mason after last nights game.

I TOTALLY AGREE DEREK.

What do the OFFENSIVE COACHING MINDS do all week?
When you see the same old predictable tired plays, and packages, guess what - YOU MAKE IT EASY FOR DEFENSES!

CAM- I can't say you are earning your paycheck, and thats a problem!

EVER THOUGHT OF FINDING OUT WHAT JOE LIKES TO DO? What your recievers did before you?

GET on the same page with your QB & recievers, rather than getting the them on your page - Joe will be here a lot longer than you, so get your butt in gear CAM!

[baltravens]

Again, we are looking at Cam Cameron as an issue with the Baltimore Ravens. The window is closing quicker than ever in B-more. Will players like Ed Reed ever see a Super Bowl?

[Vinnys Pizza]

[quote name='PurpleChaos' timestamp='1291651194' post='563382']
Ravens have played east coast Martyball since last year.
Cam Cameron.....you can't polish a turd sir.
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I must say- there is nothing new under the sun. You should all travel over to the Steelers forum (if it's ever working again) to see all of the bashing the Steelers OC gets. You could just change the names of Cam Cameron and Bruce Arians! LOL. Most of the issues were due to execution (both sides) not OC play calling.

Last night was a great old school football game. The Steelers and Ravens both had defensive schemes to make the offenses look ordinary. It was so evenly matched. Even the horrendous calls by the referees were equally horrendous on both sides.

It has very little to nothing to do with the OC. While some of you might be thinking Flacco should have been slinging the ball downfield, that wasn't why you lost. Both teams had trouble executing due to opposing defenses as well as injuries. (Heap was a HUGE reason for the increased pressure on Flacco; just as the loss of Miller limited our offense.)

Truth is, the Steelers were very fortunate that Redman scored on that play at the game. If he doesn't score, we lose.

You guys have a solid team and I believe we will be meeting again...

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

[quote name='Vinnys Pizza' timestamp='1291651967' post='563409']
I must say- there is nothing new under the sun. You should all travel over to the Steelers forum (if it's ever working again) to see all of the bashing the Steelers OC gets. You could just change the names of Cam Cameron and Bruce Arians! LOL. Most of the issues were due to execution (both sides) not OC play calling.

Last night was a great old school football game. The Steelers and Ravens both had defensive schemes to make the offenses look ordinary. It was so evenly matched. Even the horrendous calls by the referees were equally horrendous on both sides.

It has very little to nothing to do with the OC. While some of you might be thinking Flacco should have been slinging the ball downfield, that wasn't why you lost. Both teams had trouble executing due to opposing defenses as well as injuries. (Heap was a HUGE reason for the increased pressure on Flacco; just as the loss of Miller limited our offense.)

Truth is, the Steelers were very fortunate that Redman scored on that play at the game. If he doesn't score, we lose.

You guys have a solid team and I believe we will be meeting again...
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Keep waving your towel. We have way better under-utilized weapons in our High School style offense. Cam is clueless, and needs to be accountable.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Vinnys Pizza' timestamp='1291651967' post='563409']
I must say- there is nothing new under the sun. You should all travel over to the Steelers forum (if it's ever working again) to see all of the bashing the Steelers OC gets. You could just change the names of Cam Cameron and Bruce Arians! LOL. Most of the issues were due to execution (both sides) not OC play calling.

Last night was a great old school football game. The Steelers and Ravens both had defensive schemes to make the offenses look ordinary. It was so evenly matched. Even the horrendous calls by the referees were equally horrendous on both sides.

It has very little to nothing to do with the OC. While some of you might be thinking Flacco should have been slinging the ball downfield, that wasn't why you lost. Both teams had trouble executing due to opposing defenses as well as injuries. (Heap was a HUGE reason for the increased pressure on Flacco; just as the loss of Miller limited our offense.)

Truth is, the Steelers were very fortunate that Redman scored on that play at the game. If he doesn't score, we lose.

You guys have a solid team and I believe we will be meeting again...
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Eh, we were throwing all over you guys......then, 2nd and 5 with 3:xx remaining and we dial up a pass play? And don't account for Troy? Bad play calling all night and these were just a few of the major miscues!

[Vinnys Pizza]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1291652235' post='563419']
Eh, we were throwing all over you guys......then, 2nd and 5 with 3:xx remaining and we dial up a pass play? And don't account for Troy? Bad play calling all night and these were just a few of the major miscues!
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OK, but how is that play the fault of your OC? I'd be blaming the line and line coach if anyone!

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Vinnys Pizza' timestamp='1291652693' post='563437']
OK, but how is that play the fault of your OC? I'd be blaming the line and line coach if anyone!
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Because we were in that play......unless the Steelers are different than every other team in the NFL, the OC calls the play, not the line coach!

[Clutch Ravens]

I know this is easy to say with hindsight but, man, I wish we would've given Cam the boot and handed offensive play-calling duties to Hue Jackson.

[Vinnys Pizza]

[quote name='OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL' timestamp='1291652209' post='563417']
Keep waving your towel. We have way better under-utilized weapons in our High School style offense. Cam is clueless, and needs to be accountable.
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When I tell you the OC bashing is exactly the same in Pittsburgh, it's EXACTLY the same! Would you believe or OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR was BLAMED by many Steeler fans for our loss in the first game against the Ravens? Not even kidding...No Ben, unhealthy O-line and all, it was the OC's fault!

As I look at the losses you've been dealt, I'd blame your defense more than your offense.

You scored plenty on the Patriots as well as Falcons for example. With your D, putting 20 or more points should give you a W.

[Vinnys Pizza]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1291652770' post='563441']
Because we were in that play......unless the Steelers are different than every other team in the NFL, the OC calls the play, not the line coach!
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Is your problem with your OC that Troy was unblocked? If it was that Troy was unblocked, shouldn't the QB call an audible or identify the opposing player on the line? Still not understanding you. (And yes...I'd like to think the Steelers are different than every other team in the NFL. The refs and the NFL brass certainly think so!! (I might get fined for that comment! LOL.)

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Vinnys Pizza' timestamp='1291653140' post='563457']
When I tell you the OC bashing is exactly the same in Pittsburgh, it's EXACTLY the same! Would you believe or OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR was BLAMED by many Steeler fans for our loss in the first game against the Ravens? Not even kidding...No Ben, unhealthy O-line and all, it was the OC's fault!

As I look at the losses you've been dealt, I'd blame your defense more than your offense.

You scored plenty on the Patriots as well as Falcons for example. With your D, putting 20 or more points should give you a W.
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Yes, then our offense sputtered and went on a 3 and out terror in every game in the second half!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Vinnys Pizza' timestamp='1291653140' post='563457']
When I tell you the OC bashing is exactly the same in Pittsburgh, it's EXACTLY the same! Would you believe or OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR was BLAMED by many Steeler fans for our loss in the first game against the Ravens? Not even kidding...No Ben, unhealthy O-line and all, it was the OC's fault!

[b]As I look at the losses you've been dealt, I'd blame your defense more than your offense.

You scored plenty on the Patriots as well as Falcons for example. With your D, putting 20 or more points should give you a W.[/b]
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Not to excuse how poorly the D played at the end of both games but the Ravens offense did nothing in the first half against the Falcons and did nothing after going up 20-10 against the Pats.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Vinnys Pizza' timestamp='1291653325' post='563468']
Is your problem with your OC that you didn't kick the FG, or that Troy was unblocked? If it was that Troy was unblocked, shouldn't the QB call an audible or identify the opposing player on the line? Still not understanding you. (And yes...I'd like to think the Steelers are different than every other team in the NFL. The refs and the NFL brass certainly think so!! (I might get fined for that comment! LOL.)
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Its before that and much more simple...the play we were in never should have been. 2nd and 5 with 3 mins remaining in a game where the Pitt O couldn't do anything on our D. Why pass? Run.....

[Clutch Ravens]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1291653433' post='563478']
Its before that and much more simple...the play we were in never should have been. 2nd and 5 with 3 mins remaining in a game where the Pitt O couldn't do anything on our D. [b]Why pass?[/b] Run.....
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Because Cam lives in opposite world, where down is up and you pass in running situations and run in passing situations.

[Vinnys Pizza]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1291653433' post='563478']
Its before that and much more simple...the play we were in never should have been. 2nd and 5 with 3 mins remaining in a game where the Pitt O couldn't do anything on our D. Why pass? Run.....
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Because a run in that spot is too predictable. Your main point is still invalid as the un-blocked defensive player on the line is the issue and should have been addressed by the line (for whom the O-Line coach is responsible) or the QB. That's who I'd be blaming if anyone, but believe me - I get it. The OC is an easy target.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Vinnys Pizza' timestamp='1291653660' post='563494']
Because a run in that spot is too predictable. Your main point is still invalid as the un-blocked defensive player on the line is the issue and should have been addressed by the line (for whom the O-Line coach is responsible) or the QB. That's who I'd be blaming if anyone, but believe me - I get it. The OC is an easy target.
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Okay, now you're being antagonistic. How is my point invalid, when my entire point is that the play/formation we were in never should have been? Your offense couldn't do squat against our D. Yeah, easy target, that's me......

[Vinnys Pizza]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1291654633' post='563564']
Okay, now you're being antagonistic. [b]How is my point invalid[/b], when my entire point is that the play/formation we were in never should have been? [b]Your offense couldn't do squat against our D.[/b] Yeah, easy target, that's me......
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I'm not being "antagonistic", just "realistic".

1. The point is invalid because the breakdown doesn't fall with the OC, it falls on the players who failed to pickup the unblocked player. Even Suggs made a comment on that. He didn't bash to OC in any way, as frustrated as he was.

2. OK- so our offense didn't do squat either. Is it because your defense is great or should I blame my OC?

[PurpleandBlackBlood]

[quote name='Vinnys Pizza' timestamp='1291733215' post='565729']

I'm not being "antagonistic", just "realistic".

1. The point is invalid because the breakdown doesn't fall with the OC, it falls on the players who failed to pickup the unblocked player. Even Suggs made a comment on that. He didn't bash to OC in any way, as frustrated as he was.

2. OK- so our offense didn't do squat either. Is it because your defense is great or should I blame my OC?
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But you see it does fall on the OC. If cam Cameron would let Joe Flacco audible, but he doesnt because he thinks its overrated, flacco could have changed the play and moved a blocker over to guard polamalu.

CAM BLOWS

[berad]

[quote name='Vinnys Pizza' timestamp='1291733215' post='565729']

I'm not being "antagonistic", just "realistic".

1. The point is invalid because the breakdown doesn't fall with the OC, it falls on the players who failed to pickup the unblocked player. Even Suggs made a comment on that. He didn't bash to OC in any way, as frustrated as he was.

[b]2. OK- so our offense didn't do squat either. Is it because your defense is great or should I blame my OC?
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You know that Steelers' fans are.. Not saying that you subscribed to that belief.. but not everyone here is laying the blame on Cameron, too. Look around.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Vinnys Pizza' timestamp='1291733215' post='565729']

I'm not being "antagonistic", just "realistic".

1. The point is invalid because the breakdown doesn't fall with the OC, it falls on the players who failed to pickup the unblocked player. Even Suggs made a comment on that. He didn't bash to OC in any way, as frustrated as he was.

2. OK- so our offense didn't do squat either. Is it because your defense is great or should I blame my OC?
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You're not listening to me at all....it starts with the original play call. Thats what I have the problem with.....who calls plays? The OC!

What dont you understand?

[theFRANCHISE]

For all this discussion about firing Cam Cameron, keep in mind that a move probably wouldn't be made until after the season is over:

1) It takes time to install a new offense, even if the new coordinator has a similar system
2) Chemistry is still being developed on offense as we speak
3) It's too late in the season to make such a drastic change and hope for positive results
4) A search for a candidate takes time and organizations do not make selections based on reputation alone; otherwise, guys like Jim Fassel would have a job right now for all the success he had in New York, and we know that Fassel isn't that great of a coach and coordinator
5) It's unlikely that a new coordinator can make an immediate and [i]positive[/i] impact this late in the year

[Vinnys Pizza]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1291736206' post='565766']
You know that Steelers' fans are.. Not saying that you subscribed to that belief.. but not everyone here is laying the blame on Cameron, too. Look around.
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Yep...I see that. Same as in Steeler-ville.

[Vinnys Pizza]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1291746812' post='566027']
You're not listening to me at all....it starts with the original play call. Thats what I have the problem with.....who calls plays? The OC!

What dont you understand?
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Sure I'm listening. You think all of the blame is on your OC's head because [i]you[/i] don't like the playcall.

The part I do not understand is why the fan of any team would simply blame the coordinator for "calling a bad play" when there are numerous professionals on the field who are trained to do things (like read defenses) and fail to adjust.

Call an audible...yell to someone on the line to cover the unaccounted for defender...HOLD...whatever. But how it all falls on the OC just makes me laugh.

Besides, doesn't the OC work under the HC? If the OC is [i]really[/i] that bad, I'd blame the Head Coach!