Merged: Flacco Is Not An Elite Qb

[theFRANCHISE]

Regarding the blitz by Polamalu, he was shaded by a LB, so it was up to Oher to make the block. He instead kicked inside and tried to give Grubbs help where it wasn't needed, hence why Flacco didn't see it coming. Furthermore, consider that, at field level, the Steelers had crowded that line so it was impossible to tell who was coming, even if Polamalu is known for his safety blitz.

[Ravens Beast]

SHHHHHHHHHUUUUUUUUUTTTTTTTTTTTT UUUUUUUUUUUUPPPPPPPP

Whoever is questioning Flacco's abilities obviously haven't been watching him throughout his career. He's a very good QB. He will be an elite QB. Now please go back under the rock you've been living under for 3 years and start watching the Ravens play.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' timestamp='1291613092' post='562440']<br />yeah Manning threw 4 int again, so is he not elite <img src="http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/dry.gif" /><br />[/quote]


Sarcasm, meet Florida Ravens Fan. I don't think you two have met.

[Pitts200]

Not sure about some of your observations here in regard to Flacco.

1.) Someone said he played perfect in the first half. 90% of his yardage came on 3 throws in the first half. (Yes I know they are important but that does not mean he played like an all pro, especially since the Ravens only had 7 points.)

2.) All of you blame Cam Cameron, but look how mightily both teams struggled not being able to run the ball and setting up 3rd and long against a blitzing defense like the Steelers. Perhaps if the Ravens o-liine executed on 1st and 2nd down by opening up some running lanes, then that would make 3rd down so much less predictable. (Now by no means am I saying that the Steelers o-line did any better.)

3.) I've seen people talk about Cam playing conservative on the final drive. You do realize that it was because the ravens didn't play it conservative that caused the Troy sack/strip.


Sometimes it's player execution and not all play calling. The Ravens offense was a D+ at best today and that was because of the 92 yard drive. While the Steelers offense was a C-

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='lights15a' timestamp='1291612909' post='562414']
when is Baltimore going to realize that Flacco is at best a good QB he cant handle the pressure he has proved that time after
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Were you watching the game? I saw him avoid pressure step up in the pocket and make numerous big throws tonight. Had Cam actually let him throw the ball more in the second half, the Ravens likely would have won.


[quote name='Raven Rod' timestamp='1291613039' post='562430']
i agree with you but i still believe flacco needs to make that throw when it counts,
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I agree. He should have connected on that throw. Still, I'm not going to focus on it as much when there were numerous others plays that could have and should have been made.

[Raven Rod]

[quote name='bscott57' timestamp='1291612933' post='562420']
To the people saying Cam blew the game, ok that is a valid point. Why are we throwing the ball on the Polamalu sack?

To that point Flacco was terrible, barely 50% completion and that miserable excuse for a throw at the end. Housh bailed him out on that deep ball late, should have been a pick.

Also took a few bad sacks, did the Oline break down, yes but gotta know where the blitz is coming from pre-snap.
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i agree 100%

[Raven Rod]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291613235' post='562459']
Were you watching the game? I saw him avoid pressure step up in the pocket and make numerous big throws tonight. Had Cam actually let him throw the ball more in the second half, the Ravens likely would have won.




I agree. He should have connected on that throw. Still, I'm not going to focus on it as much when there were numerous others plays that could have and should have been made.
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you have to focus on that one, it ended the game, the other plays we still had a chance to recover

[versace2127]

I agree with the above on all the miscued tackles. I mean the steelers ran through them like a Isabell. Ravens need to go back to tackling fundamentals. And the dropped balls have to cease. Let's be frank steelers did them. Like we did us up in there stable. That's why steelers vs ravens is the biggest NFL rival in the league. Good game by both teams.

[EternalBossGang]

man peyton manning come join the ravens in the offseason come sign with us cause joe flacco is not the qb who is elite enough

[RoflDogs]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1291613194' post='562451']
Regarding the blitz by Polamalu, he was shaded by a LB, so it was up to Oher to make the block. He instead kicked inside and tried to give Grubbs help where it wasn't needed, hence why Flacco didn't see it coming. Furthermore, consider that, at field level, the Steelers had crowded that line so it was impossible to tell who was coming, even if Polamalu is known for his safety blitz.
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Every offensive lineman is taught to block inside out, so Oher did what he was supposed to. Flacco shoudlve recognized that Troy was blitzing (or at least somebody TELL him that he's blitzing), so that he can audible out of the play at the least

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='EternalBossGang' timestamp='1291613437' post='562482']
man peyton manning come join the ravens in the offseason come sign with us cause joe flacco is not the qb who is elite enough
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The same Peyton Manning that's thrown 15 picks on the year and has just had 3 consecutive games with at least 3 picks, including 2 pick-sixes in a 4-INT performance and an OT loss to the lowly Cowboys? Hmm...

[steeler hater]

Crazy to be throwing when you're 2nd-and-five, 3:20 to go, and up by four. I was yelling why we were even in the shotgun, it seemed like the situation so obviously called for a run play.

[Betweenthetackles]

[quote name='Pitts200' timestamp='1291613201' post='562455']
Not sure about some of your observations here in regard to Flacco.

1.) Someone said he played perfect in the first half. 90% of his yardage came on 3 throws in the first half. (Yes I know they are important but that does not mean he played like an all pro, especially since the Ravens only had 7 points.)

2.) All of you blame Cam Cameron, but look how mightily both teams struggled not being able to run the ball and setting up 3rd and long against a blitzing defense like the Steelers. Perhaps if the Ravens o-liine executed on 1st and 2nd down by opening up some running lanes, then that would make 3rd down so much less predictable. (Now by no means am I saying that the Steelers o-line did any better.)

3.) I've seen people talk about Cam playing conservative on the final drive. You do realize that it was because the ravens didn't play it conservative that caused the Troy sack/strip.


Sometimes it's player execution and not all play calling. The Ravens offense was a D+ at best today and that was because of the 92 yard drive. While the Steelers offense was a C-
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you're dead on! sometimes Flacco seems fuzzy..doesn't recognize stuff. game moves too fast for him. Matt Ryan is a better leader, more accurate and a better decision maker than Flacco hands down. flacco pocket prescence is very weak

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Raven Rod' timestamp='1291613425' post='562480']
you have to focus on that one, it ended the game, the other plays we still had a chance to recover
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I can choose to focus on what I want to. The team had a 10-3 lead forever and basically sat on it. It should never have come down to an attempted game-winning drive.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291613573' post='562492']
I can choose to focus on what I want to. The team had a 10-3 lead forever and basically sat on it. It should never have come down to an attempted game-winning drive.
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Agreed. Cam never wants to attempt to put a game out of reach. His play calling allows teams to hang around. When they do catch up, he still chooses to not to pile on the points. I'm not going to say he doesn't do anything well, because he does. But, unfortunately for him, Cam also makes really shoddy calls as well.

[flynismo]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1291613504' post='562487']<br />The same Peyton Manning that's thrown 15 picks on the year and has just had 3 consecutive games with at least 3 picks, including 2 pick-sixes in a 4-INT performance and an OT loss to the lowly Cowboys? Hmm...<br />[/quote]

That's different. Peyton Manning is clutch and wins the big games. Flacco is a choker. I take back everything I said over the last 3 months when Flacco was one of the few who carried this team to where we are.





Sarcasm disclaimer:
The above post was written with irony in mind.

[BloodRaven]

He needs to make those plays thats all there is to it. Either he does or he doesn't.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='steeler hater' timestamp='1291613528' post='562488']
Crazy to be throwing when you're 2nd-and-five, 3:20 to go, and up by four. I was yelling why we were even in the shotgun, it seemed like the situation so obviously called for a run play.
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I agree totally. Are you kidding me. The steelers had one or two time outs and could not do anything against our d. You elect to throw the ball right there. Sorry that was a dumb play call. Harbs you have decisions to make and i hope you don't come out in the press conference and get defensive because that will be icing on the cake. I don't wanna hear how the Steelers are a good football team and we didn't do enough to win. Its time to throw people under the bus.

[noy]

Let's look at the irony. Flacco throws deep balls well, but can't throw a check down. How many throws to Rice did he miss today? 3-4? It's no wonder he missed Ed on the flat.

I think it's better to laugh at this loss than be pissed about it...you'll live longer if you do!

[Pitts200]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291613573' post='562492']
I can choose to focus on what I want to. The team had a 10-3 lead forever and basically sat on it. It should never have come down to an attempted game-winning drive.
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You guys keep saying that they "sit on it" when it comes to a lead.

You do realize that this is a Steelers/Ravens game and NO TEAM on either side ever just runs up and down the field running up the score. The way your defenese was playing, doesn't it make sense for Cam to call it conservative since points are such a premium to come by. And the reason the offense looked so much more effective in the first half was because of a 61 & 67 yard pass and nothing else really. You can't call that consistent offense, can you??

[JoeCool#5]

[quote name='grape drank' timestamp='1291613080' post='562439']
thank you, everyone defends flacco so rigorously, he isn't bad but he still makes a lot of mistakes that are just so frustrating. great example is not audibling the play when palamalu lines up on the LOS. COME ON MAN!
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According to Cam, audibles are over-rated. Joe has to run the plays called like that reverse.

OL needs to point out coverage. Where was the center Matt Birk doing prior to the snap on that play? COME ON MAN!!!

[lights15a]

[quote name='Pitts200' timestamp='1291614127' post='562539']
You guys keep saying that they "sit on it" when it comes to a lead.

You do realize that this is a Steelers/Ravens game and NO TEAM on either side ever just runs up and down the field running up the score. The way your defenese was playing, doesn't it make sense for Cam to call it conservative since points are such a premium to come by. And the reason the offense looked so much more effective in the first half was because of a 61 & 67 yard pass and nothing else really. You can't call that consistent offense, can you??
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i agree 2 or 3 good plays doesnt make a great QB had he done that thruout the game that makes a good Qb

[Raven Rod]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291613573' post='562492']
I can choose to focus on what I want to. The team had a 10-3 lead forever and basically sat on it. It should never have come down to an attempted game-winning drive.
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you're right that it should never had come down to that, any time you allow the steelers to hang in there with you they seem to find a way to snatch a win, but that throw on that last play has to be made!!! the receiver was wide open

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Raven Rod' timestamp='1291614625' post='562583']
you're right that it should never had come down to that, any time you allow the steelers to hang in there with you they seem to find a way to snatch a win, but that throw on that last play has to be made!!! the receiver was wide open
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I agree.

[canfan]

When our team loses we all become experts on what they should have done lol. I'll admit we see mistakes with our guys on the field but could we all really line up out in front of M & T Bank Stadium and get the job?...

You think everyone on the Ravens team arnt upset, angry, frustrated like we are?

I got Flacco's back, he's not at his best yet but I think he has a making for an all star QB. How did P. Manning do today?....oh really??

[Ravenite]

Who in the world said that Flacco was an elite QB in the first place? LOL

Flacco has been playing good but he's nowhere near the Elite status right now in his career.

He missed a throw. Learn from it and move on. Thats all you can ask from him. He should've made it but he didn't.

[Guest Maryland1]

[font="Verdana"][size="2"]Joe kept his composure while being swarmed by the Steelers many times during the game and threw no picks (Peyton Manning had 4 today).[/size][/font]

[flynismo]

[quote name='Maryland1' timestamp='1291615549' post='562644']Joe kept his composure while being swarmed by the Steelers many times during the game and threw no picks (Peyton Manning had 4 today).[/quote]


Exactly right. I only saw one questionable throw from Flacco the entire game.

[Raven Rod]

[quote name='canfan' timestamp='1291615059' post='562609']
When our team loses we all become experts on what they should have done lol. I'll admit we see mistakes with our guys on the field but could we all really line up out in front of M & T Bank Stadium and get the job?...

You think everyone on the Ravens team arnt upset, angry, frustrated like we are?

I got Flacco's back, he's not at his best yet but I think he has a making for an all star QB. How did P. Manning do today?....oh really??
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i hope you're right, i truly do like flacco, i've supported him all season, it's just frustrating to lose another game that we should have won, it's one thing to get beat but to beat ourselves again, i'm just pee'oed right now

[noy]

I'm confused. Why are we comparing him to Peyton when Peyton is a proven elite QB in the league because of his history. Joe hasn't done anything to wow the fans or make defenses truly fear him. He also doesn't carry the offense on his shoulders either. No matter how Peyton performs, he is [i]still [/i]a much better QB than Flacco.