Ot Gaither Wants To Re-Sign With Ravens

[McBoller]

Based on what we've seen this year I think Gaither was playing better LT than Oher is currently. I think long-term Oher is the better option at LT but Gaither is still a VERY good player and would love to keep him around if he can get healthy.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='McBoller' timestamp='1291433124' post='558968']
Based on what we've seen this year I think Gaither was playing better LT than Oher is currently. I think long-term Oher is the better option at LT but Gaither is still a VERY good player and would love to keep him around if he can get healthy.
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I agree, Gaither for long stretches of last season was lights out at LT in all phases of blocking. He was a beast last year.

[reediddy]

Dude was an absolute steal in the supplemental round. I say we re-sign him

[SnOoPy]

if he's healthy then sign him! ;]

[Nadkins52]

he better than Oneil Cousins, Marshal Yanda, and Tony Moll so why not if he wants to be here................................. PAY DA MAN

[rlh445]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1291341095' post='557976']
Drew Rosenhaus is his agent. That's all you need to know. Rosenhaus' track record speaks for itself -- just look at how Anquan Boldin "threatened" a holdout with the Cardinals but chose to report to camp himself and fired Rosenhaus thereafter. Also, remember the "Next question" debacle with T.O. in Philly?
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Oh, I get it then. Still wouldn't mind having the big buy back to block for us next year.

[Tiznut]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1291341095' post='557976']
Drew Rosenhaus is his agent. That's all you need to know. Rosenhaus' track record speaks for itself -- just look at how Anquan Boldin "threatened" a holdout with the Cardinals but chose to report to camp himself and fired Rosenhaus thereafter. Also, remember the "Next question" debacle with T.O. in Philly?
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He fired drew because he wanted more money and drew couldn't get it done
He hired condon who was part of the eli draft thing.

Drew has not been an issue with baltimore as we have a few of his clients and of which all work hard
Gaither made and executed his own decisions

As for owens the best thing an agent can do is take all a players criticism and divert it elsewhere which is why owens never fired him.owns acted like a dirt bag yet people like you blame drew.

[Tiznut]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1291391573' post='558315']
Think we can build a great O-line w/out him. If we win it all this year, let him walk and use that money for Ngata, Rice, Flacco.
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His money would not detract from the others getting paid.
The bigger money issue would be from mcgahee.
That said we still have to pay 53 guys so of course you have to balance out everyone's pay

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Tiznut' timestamp='1291469913' post='559110']
He fired drew because he wanted more money and drew couldn't get it done
He hired condon who was part of the eli draft thing.

Drew has not been an issue with baltimore as we have a few of his clients and of which all work hard
Gaither made and executed his own decisions

As for owens the best thing an agent can do is take all a players criticism and divert it elsewhere which is why owens never fired him.[b]owns acted like a dirt bag yet people like you blame drew[/b].
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T.O.'s behavior is his own fault, and there was no implication made that Drew Rosenhaus is the reason why Owens is viewed in a negative light.

Rosenhaus' reputation as an agent precedes him. His propensity for encouraging player holdouts and using the media to attempt to tip the scales in his client's favor is well-documented. He is one of the few agents that will get his hands dirty on his client's behalf by painting himself the bad guy, but by extension, his client ends up taking on that perception. That's not how business should be done. Sure, his extensive list of clientele implies that his methods work, but his tactics are indirectly the reason why NFL rookies are grossly overpaid and why salaries keep rising at an obscene rate.

[Alexir]

Hell if a player of his caliber wants to come back, then obviously I want him back.....Dawan Landry on the other hand....ugh, rather not resign him.

Gaither is a big part of what makes our young offensive line click.

[Tiznut]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1291481687' post='559181']
T.O.'s behavior is his own fault, and there was no implication made that Drew Rosenhaus is the reason why Owens is viewed in a negative light.

Rosenhaus' reputation as an agent precedes him. His propensity for encouraging player holdouts and using the media to attempt to tip the scales in his client's favor is well-documented. He is one of the few agents that will get his hands dirty on his client's behalf by painting himself the bad guy, but by extension, his client ends up taking on that perception. That's not how business should be done. Sure, his extensive list of clientele implies that his methods work, but his tactics are indirectly the reason why NFL rookies are grossly overpaid and why salaries keep rising at an obscene rate.
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Again drew does exactly what he is asked to do by his clients this is why he keepsgetting clients and only fans who complain about the business side hate drew.

The ravens have not had issue with drew's clients and we have had a few.
In fact we have had enough so that people should recognize it's not him that is a problem.

After all he was not michael crabtree agent yet he held out as a rookie. HE wasnt the agent for eli and he has yet to be the agent for a number one qb pick so how is he the one that causes the rookie scale to be so high.

In fact name one rookie he had that held out

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Tiznut' timestamp='1291484821' post='559203']
Again drew does exactly what he is asked to do by his clients this is why he keepsgetting clients and only fans who complain about the business side hate drew.

The ravens have not had issue with drew's clients and we have had a few.
In fact we have had enough so that people should recognize it's not him that is a problem.

After all he was not michael crabtree agent yet he held out as a rookie. HE wasnt the agent for eli and he has yet to be the agent for a number one qb pick so how is he the one that causes the rookie scale to be so high.

In fact name one rookie he had that held out
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Though Rosenhaus has yet to represent a QB picked first overall, his negotiations of his star clients' contracts drive up the market value at each position, creating a cascade effect that is reflected in how other agents negotiate their clients' deals. In setting dangerously high precedents for his own clients, Rosenhaus is an enabler of financial irresponsibility.

In reference to holdouts, he has had star players hold out, not rookies. I never said anything about having rookies hold out. This also sets another irresponsible precedent, as holdouts accomplish nothing on the field; although the player may eventually get their payday, their performance has historically suffered in the season after a holdout more often than not. For every example of a player whose play does [i]not[/i] experience an immediate drop-off from a holdout, there are at least three or four other examples that have declined because of that time off. Rosenhaus did not invent the concept of a holdout, but he made it popular because of the frequency in which he would publicly threaten holdouts and, in many cases, execute them.

The players take the advice of their agents, not the other way around. Players hire agents, after all, because they trust them more than they trust themselves to handle their money.

If there's really anything to take away from my perspective, it's that I'm saddened by what has happened to the league because of this culture of greed that is cultivated by agents who are merely "doing their jobs." Sure, this isn't limited exclusively to the NFL or professional sports, as this is a societal issue (which we won't get into as social discourse is not a discussion we allow in-depth here); but it's this greed that is why the league is at an impasse in CBA negotiations. It's this greed and this enabler mentality that has the future of the NFL in question beyond this season.

Bottom line, it upsets me that people aren't asking why things have to be this way and why the players get more blame than the agents. The agents, after all, nurture this atmosphere of self-entitlement in order to maximize their own commissions.

[flynismo]

I want Gaither back, I'll throw that out there first. But there are a lot of things to consider. We already know that there are a few other players who need to be resigned at the end of the year and are high priorites too ... With the cap coming back, we need cap space to retain guys like Ngata.But forget the business aspect, just looking at it from a football perspective...when I look at our line, we already have Oher and Grubbs locking down the left side. On the right we have Yanda. We can get away with having one weak spot on the line, but not two, which we have right now (center and right guard). If we pick up a quality center or guard (and they can be had for much less money that a tackle), then our offensive line should be fine, and would free up money to focus elsewhere.In a nutshell, from a business/cost effecient point of view, bringing Gaither back doesn't make a whole lot of sense.But the x factor is how much $$ he will ultimately ask for. If we can talk him into a two year, $8M deal, which isn't unreasonable, then maybe it makes sense...but other than that I'm nearly positive we've seen the last of him.

[Tiznut]

franchise a player gets the blame because they are grown man that hit the agents based on what they want to accomplish.
Drew nor any other agent can make a player lazy or hold out as in the end its the player that signs the deal and elects to avoid camp and stay in their home town.
Drew had been hired by players who know his past and want him to act a certain way.

Its the same as if you had to how an attorney you do the research and you get one that uses the method you prefer

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

Tiznut is definitely Rosenhaus!

Seriously though, bringing him back makes more sense than letting him slip away. If we were to resign him, I would say only a long term center is a draft need on the OL. Not to mention that we probably need a safety, another D-lineman, and a linebacker as we've seen that we are getting some cracks in the D, not to mention perhaps a WR in the event that Mase retires and/or Stalls and Housh don't come back.

And then there's the aforementioned concern that we would most likely be downgrading in quality if we were to let Gaither leave. I guarantee if he was at RT now, and Yanda at RG then Rice would be over 1000 yards rushing already. Our line is so much better with him than without.

[XxSizzleXx]

He needs to stay healthy. Even if he is re-signed I'd like to see us draft some sort of offensive lineman because he has health issues.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Nadkins52' timestamp='1291438737' post='559019']
he better than Oneil Cousins, Marshal Yanda, and Tony Moll so why not if he wants to be here................................. PAY DA MAN
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There lies the problem, you cant pay him after he just missed an entire season with a mystery injury in his back, after he lost 30 pounds.

[Nadkins52]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1291585580' post='559966']
There lies the problem, you cant pay him after he just missed an entire season with a mystery injury in his back, after he lost 30 pounds.
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i didnt mean pay him the BIG BUCKS jst give him his $$$$$$$ he deserves it and maybe now hes more NIBLE on that 6"9 300 sumtin frame....................PAY DA MAN

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Nadkins52' timestamp='1291616944' post='562720']
i didnt mean pay him the BIG BUCKS jst give him his $$$$$$$ he deserves it and maybe now hes more NIBLE on that 6"9 300 sumtin frame....................PAY DA MAN
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Whether it's big bucks or even a standard contract, you don't re-sign a guy that hasn't played a down all season. Especially when said player is the head-case Gaither is.

[BloodRaven]

Our offense is really missing him now