Reed Or Roethlisberger?

[Ngata92NT]

As we all know, this Sunday the Ravens will face the Steelers at M&T. Steelers fans like to claim that Roethlisberger's absence caused their loss to us in week four. They seemingly forget that we also were also without a star player, future HoF safety Ed Reed. My question to you, Ravens fans, is which of these two players will have a greater impact on the game on Sunday?

The question is NOT which player is better, because they play different positions (and we all know Ed Reed is better).

The question is which player will improve their team the most.

Personally, I vote for Roethlisberger. Ed Reed will make plays but Roethlisberger has been very successful against us in the past and his ability to extend plays and throw the deep ball to Wallace completely change the Steelers offense. QBs have the most impact on their team and I think Roethlisberger will have the bigger impact on the game.

Still won't be enough though, we will win this game and sweep Pittsburgh!

[MKdave]

I voted Reed, but it was a total homer vote. A QB versus a safety is rarely a fair comparison, even when we're talking about Reed.

[Moderator 3]

Ben never throws the ball anywhere near Reed.

[SaVaGe]

Pretty obvious that it is Big Ben. He extends plays and can make all the throws. If it was Big Ben in week 4 or what ever I would have been biting my nails when they got the ball with 40 seconds or so left. Lets make Ben a non factor and blow them out early instead of the usual 3 point difference.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1291249875' post='556680']
Ben never throws the ball anywhere near Reed.
[/quote]

He doesn't make any attempt to pick on Reed, which I think we can agree would be dumb, but he has thrown his way a few times and with success. Ben's just smart about it. Ben's made Champ Bailey look silly a time or two as well.

[Polamaluisabeast_43]

[quote name='SaVaGe' timestamp='1291250253' post='556689']
Pretty obvious that it is Big Ben. He extends plays and can make all the throws. If it was Big Ben in week 4 or what ever I would have been biting my nails when they got the ball with 40 seconds or so left. Lets make Ben a non factor and blow them out early instead of the usual 3 point difference.
[/quote]
As long as Ben Roethlisberger gets ample time to throw the football in the no huddle offense which I hope the Steelers turn too more times then not in this game, the Steelers will have an excellent chance to win this game in Baltimore Sunday night.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Polamaluisabeast_43' timestamp='1291250826' post='556704']
As long as Ben Roethlisberger gets ample time to throw the football in the no huddle offense which I hope the Steelers turn too more times then not in this game, the Steelers will have an excellent chance to win this game in Baltimore Sunday night.
[/quote]

That's every game and it's not always the case. I'd be shocked if Ben doesn't get sacked at least twice. I'd like to see Arians just roll him out a time or two. Maybe even once per quarter. His numbers are staggering when he rolls out to the right.

[Polamaluisabeast_43]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1291250990' post='556708']
That's every game and it's not always the case. I'd be shocked if Ben doesn't get sacked at least twice. I'd like to see Arians just roll him out a time or two. Maybe even once per quarter. His numbers are staggering when he rolls out to the right.
[/quote]
Arians in my opinion has to put this game in Ben Roethlisberger's hands. He cannot do the same stuff he does every week where he runs on 1st and 2nd down and gets stuffed and then throw on 3rd and long. You gotta take some chances in this game and exploit the Ravens weakness. The Steelers have the weapons on offense to move the ball and score points on this Ravens defense with Ward,Wallace,Miller,Sanders,and even Antonio Brown and Mewelde Moore as well if they spread them out more times then not and go no huddle. Put the game in the hands of your best player and your franchise QB who you are paying 100 million dollars too to win this game for you...

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

Why don't you two Steelers fans go post on your own board?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='kash96ravenstotalfan' timestamp='1291252553' post='556743']
Why don't you two Steelers fans go post on your own board?
[/quote]
Easy there fella....we're a good group here.

[Polamaluisabeast_43]

[quote name='kash96ravenstotalfan' timestamp='1291252553' post='556743']
Why don't you two Steelers fans go post on your own board?
[/quote]
Why dont you just go like away...

[ravensdfan]

I voted both and I am just hoping it isn't the guy in the zebra suit.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='kash96ravenstotalfan' timestamp='1291252553' post='556743']
Why don't you two Steelers fans go post on your own board?
[/quote]

Eh, most of the Steeler fans that post here are alright. Nothing wrong with some good football debate.

[mhead66]

The poll question has only one logical answer, regardless of the talent of either player.

A QB touches the ball every single play. Ben will hand the ball off 25 times and throw it 35 times.

Ed will participate in every defensive play, to one extent or another... but he will make 3-6 tackles, perhaps one interception, perhaps 3-5 passes defended.

This doesn't necessarily mean that the Steeler fans' claims, that the loss of Ben in the first game was a larger impact on that game than the loss of Ed by the Ravens, is accurate. Batch/Dixon were 3-0 before the Ravens game, and Batch was 12/21 for 141 yards - not horrible. Losing Reed - who has caused 5 turnovers (4 INTs, 1 Forced fumble) in 5 games - was very detrimental to the Ravens' defensive effort.

It's just that the QB position is the highest impact position in the game of football... regardless of either player's talent level.

The better question might be... If Ravens fans could have a choice - another game of No Ben and No Ed... or a game where they both play... what would be their choice?

At least the opinions expressed would have more opportunity to be "homeristic" (if that's a word... it's not!)

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1291249875' post='556680']
Ben never throws the ball anywhere near Reed.
[/quote]
That's why I voted Reed. If he starts forcing throws in other directions, that can only help our defence. That's why our intercept totals have literally doubled since he returned, asides from the picks he is making.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1291250628' post='556696']
He doesn't make any attempt to pick on Reed, which I think we can agree would be dumb, but he has thrown his way a few times and with success. Ben's just smart about it. Ben's made Champ Bailey look silly a time or two as well.
[/quote]

Agreed. I hate to admit it but Ben [i]has[/i] thrown Ed's way a number of times in recent years and made some big plays too.

As for the poll, I'm going to say Ben simply because he's the QB.

[Romo Ravens]

Both will have a lot of impact. Ed might get an INT, Ben might throw a TD or two. But I just hope that the INT is the game winner

[Polamaluisabeast_43]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1291255790' post='556869']
The poll question has only one logical answer, regardless of the talent of either player.

A QB touches the ball every single play. Ben will hand the ball off 25 times and throw it 35 times.

Ed will participate in every defensive play, to one extent or another... but he will make 3-6 tackles, perhaps one interception, perhaps 3-5 passes defended.

This doesn't necessarily mean that the Steeler fans' claims, that the loss of Ben in the first game was a larger impact on that game than the loss of Ed by the Ravens, is accurate. Batch/Dixon were 3-0 before the Ravens game, and Batch was 12/21 for 141 yards - not horrible. Losing Reed - who has caused 5 turnovers (4 INTs, 1 Forced fumble) in 5 games - was very detrimental to the Ravens' defensive effort.

It's just that the QB position is the highest impact position in the game of football... regardless of either player's talent level.

The better question might be... If Ravens fans could have a choice - another game of No Ben and No Ed... or a game where they both play... what would be their choice?

At least the opinions expressed would have more opportunity to be "homeristic" (if that's a word... it's not!)
[/quote]
Pretty safe bet to say they would pick No Ben and No Ed. If Leftwich or Batch started in this game on Sunday night in Baltimore the Steelers chances of winning this game in my opinion would decrease a great deal.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1291255790' post='556869']
The poll question has only one logical answer, regardless of the talent of either player.

A QB touches the ball every single play. Ben will hand the ball off 25 times and throw it 35 times.

Ed will participate in every defensive play, to one extent or another... but he will make 3-6 tackles, perhaps one interception, perhaps 3-5 passes defended.

This doesn't necessarily mean that the Steeler fans' claims, that the loss of Ben in the first game was a larger impact on that game than the loss of Ed by the Ravens, is accurate. Batch/Dixon were 3-0 before the Ravens game, and Batch was 12/21 for 141 yards - not horrible. Losing Reed - who has caused 5 turnovers (4 INTs, 1 Forced fumble) in 5 games - was very detrimental to the Ravens' defensive effort.

It's just that the QB position is the highest impact position in the game of football... regardless of either player's talent level.

The better question might be... If Ravens fans could have a choice - another game of No Ben and No Ed... or a game where they both play... what would be their choice?

At least the opinions expressed would have more opportunity to be "homeristic" (if that's a word... it's not!)
[/quote]

Good post!

[Ravens_fan]

[quote name='kash96ravenstotalfan' timestamp='1291252553' post='556743']
Why don't you two Steelers fans go post on your own board?
[/quote]

I respect the warden pola's opinion I think is welcomed... I personally think Reed would have a greater impact...the way he has been playing since coming of the pup has been spectacular, and he is just starting to pick up the game speed.

[Jorgen]

I hate to say it, but I'd rather no Ben and no Reed than both, so I guess I'll have to vote Ben. Fact is, the Steelers O was absolutely anemic during their 3-0 win streak, whereas the Ravens' D was just shutting opposing teams down when Reed was gone (although it's true they weren't getting TO's out of their efforts). Fact is, the Steelers lose much more competence without Ben, whereas without Reed, the Ravens can manage well enough. Which I guess indicates a good thing for the Ravens: greater depth for the Ravens at Reed's position reduces the comparative advantage of playing him.

[Jabara]

Ok, lets flip the script for a second and question what if Polamalu was out instead of Ben?
I'd say the Ravens are more successful without Reed than the Steelers are without Polamalu.

You can't really compare a QB and a Safety.
You can't really even compare who had the biggest play, because the QB is the one touching the ball every offensive down, and has a chance to make a play on every down.

The QB is relying on the receiver to make the play, and the safety is hoping the CB will make a play if the ball is thrown away from the safety.
That's an interesting situation.

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1291249875' post='556680']
Ben never throws the ball anywhere near Reed.
[/quote]

The beauty of Ed sometimes is that you don't [i]have[/i] to throw the ball near Ed... for Ed to be near the ball.

Honestly though, I voted for them both having an equal impact. Ben is head and shoulders above Batch and Ed brings the intimidation factor back into the Ravens secondary (even if it's just one side of the field). There's no doubt that Ben (usually) makes the Steelers' offense better and Ed makes the Ravens' defense better.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

Only if Ed makes an Interception would I think he will have a greater impact on the game than Roethlisberger.

[Shawn`]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1291255790' post='556869']
The poll question has only one logical answer, regardless of the talent of either player.

A QB touches the ball every single play. Ben will hand the ball off 25 times and throw it 35 times.

Ed will participate in every defensive play, to one extent or another... but he will make 3-6 tackles, perhaps one interception, perhaps 3-5 passes defended.

This doesn't necessarily mean that the Steeler fans' claims, that the loss of Ben in the first game was a larger impact on that game than the loss of Ed by the Ravens, is accurate. Batch/Dixon were 3-0 before the Ravens game, and Batch was 12/21 for 141 yards - not horrible. Losing Reed - who has caused 5 turnovers (4 INTs, 1 Forced fumble) in 5 games - was very detrimental to the Ravens' defensive effort.

It's just that the QB position is the highest impact position in the game of football... regardless of either player's talent level.

The better question might be... If Ravens fans could have a choice - another game of No Ben and No Ed... or a game where they both play... what would be their choice?

At least the opinions expressed would have more opportunity to be "homeristic" (if that's a word... it's not!)
[/quote]

This.

A QB has more of an impact than a FS simply because he's a QB.

[Hjulmann]

Well... A QB's game depends a lot on the o-lines day. If the o-line fails on sunday, Ben will not have a chance at then win, where as if Ed's d-line fail, the steelers might use their run game instead of betting on the passes. If this happens, Ed will have the edge.

Having said that, if the the o-line has a huge day, the steelers will probably throw a lot more than they will run i guess....

I know this doesn't count if we talk about Ed being in the backfield!

[Hjulmann]

Okay, my recent post didn't make sense...

[organizedchaos007]

I have to say Ben in terms of more opportunities to create impact plays (because hes a QB). There is no question how good of a QB Ben is, and he knows us well. But not having Reed back there the first game, is similar to the Steelers defense when they didnt hve Troy. Its night and day, so we cant forget the way Reed changes our defense. I think the key to this game, is pressure, and sticking recievers beyond their standard routes. Every game ive studied, Ben has beat us by playing backyard football, and our DB's are caught reading Ben and his eyes instead of staying with their man. IMO, if we stick their recievers, and read the recievers eyes and hands before the catch breakup plays that way. Then let our safeties be the ones to read ben's actions. More often then not, we have got beat when cb's are looking back in the backfield at ben, and the WR breaking away while ben extends the play. My idea is, in man coverage, our cb's cant pay attention to ben. Blanket the reciever as long as possible, even beyond the route, and make plays when the recievers hands begin the catching motion, or their eyes start to track a ball, let our safeties read Ben's eyes and react accordingly. This should allow the few extra seconds to get to ben. I feel a big game from Suggs, and I feel an even bigger game from our LB's.

[organizedchaos007]

Another thing also, since their OL is in even worse shape then the Saints game.... rush 5-6 even 7 often, especially on 3rd down, and play bump n run with safeties over the top with the other 4-6 DB's

[PuRock]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1291255790' post='556869']
The poll question has only one logical answer, regardless of the talent of either player.

A QB touches the ball every single play. Ben will hand the ball off 25 times and throw it 35 times.

Ed will participate in every defensive play, to one extent or another... but he will make 3-6 tackles, perhaps one interception, perhaps 3-5 passes defended.

[/quote]

I agree with you. You are talking about a top QB who touches the ball on every offensive play. A Safety can be game planned around. A QB its a bit tougher especially one that does well when a play breaks down.

It's an easy pick for me.

I'm sure if it were the other way around. We missed Flacco and instead say had a 3rd string QB out there. And the Steelers had no Troy. We would say Flacco was the bigger loss because he controlled what we did on offense.