Paul Kruger Start Over Corey Redding?

[tweety]

Paul Kruger and Corey Redding both have one sack but that's besides the point. How much pressure is Redding getting on the quarterback? Is he better at stopping the run, it seems he is more a filler than a play maker.

I regret we lost Antwan Barnes as he has 2 sacks as back-up and from his game against the Colts on National TV he forces the early pass. Like having a Dwight Freeney on 3rd downs.

[The Raven]

I'd like to see him start, but he isn't the best against the run. Next year I really think he could start. I think he's 10 pounds away from starting at DE. I think, if we ran a 4-3 defense, he'd be starting NOW.

[Purple Punishment]

After reading the original post, I have to say the only thing that stuck in my head is Barnes. How did we let him go and keep other folks around that never see the field of play? We made a huge mistake getting rid of him as a pass rusher. Dude is LETHAL

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' timestamp='1291239355' post='556490']
After reading the original post, I have to say the only thing that stuck in my head is Barnes. How did we let him go and keep other folks around that never see the field of play? We made a huge mistake getting rid of him as a pass rusher. Dude is LETHAL
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Yeah that's the one move I don't understand.

[hammer]

[quote name='tweety' timestamp='1291238910' post='556475']
Paul Kruger and Corey Redding both have one sack but that's besides the point. How much pressure is Redding getting on the quarterback? Is he better at stopping the run, it seems he is more a filler than a play maker.

I regret we lost Antwan Barnes as he has 2 sacks as back-up and from his game against the Colts on National TV he forces the early pass. Like having a Dwight Freeney on 3rd downs.
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I am glad you started a thread on Kreuger, because I really do think he needs to be on the field more. I like him more as a pass rusher by the day. I think Mattison sees that too.

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

It's not so much the sacks that matter from a 3-4 defensive end, its more controlling the point of attack. We've been bullied on that side at times, one notable occassion still fresh in my mind was Peyton Hillis rushing for 144 yards on us.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ed_Reed_Pick_Six' timestamp='1291249186' post='556661']
[b]It's not so much the sacks that matter from a 3-4 defensive end, its more controlling the point of attack[/b]. We've been bullied on that side at times, one notable occassion still fresh in my mind was Peyton Hillis rushing for 144 yards on us.
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Precisely. And while I'm as big a Kruger homer as you'll ever meet, Kruger isn't a prototypical 34 end. However, if he can be disruptive, he will serve his purpose.
To answer the OP, I think that Kruger has worlds of talent, and he couldn't possibly be any worse than Redding, so .....

[wolfzie06]

I don't think Redding has been that bad. He plays well against the run and has gotten a decent pass rush sometimes. I think Kruger could be a good pass rusher, but as stated above I can't imagine that he will ever be a prototypical 3-4 end. I have noticed that he is becoming a much better rusher and has been getting hits on the QB now.

[codizzle]

[quote name='Ed_Reed_Pick_Six' timestamp='1291249186' post='556661']
It's not so much the sacks that matter from a 3-4 defensive end, its more controlling the point of attack. We've been bullied on that side at times, one notable occassion still fresh in my mind was Peyton Hillis rushing for 144 yards on us.
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second this

[purple.n.black]

Agreed. Kruger may be better on obvious passing situations, but other than that Redding is better in there. I would just like to continue to see Kruger coming in on those pass situations and contributiong

[reediddy]

[quote name='Ed_Reed_Pick_Six' timestamp='1291249186' post='556661']
It's not so much the sacks that matter from a 3-4 defensive end, its more controlling the point of attack. We've been bullied on that side at times, one notable occassion still fresh in my mind was Peyton Hillis rushing for 144 yards on us.
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Our point of attack on OL and DL has been horrendous this year

[Radinho84]

i like kruger and what he is able to do but at the end of the day i think that at some point next season art jones will take the spot at the LE position. he is a prototypical 34 end and if he doesn´t get injured again will we a force on the oposite of ngata.

like a lot of guys said before. at this point kruger is more of a pass rusher than anything else...

[BloodRaven]

Redding has been a disappointment, he gets bounced around like a pinball. We're really missing Dwan Edwards and Justin Bannan.

[organizedchaos007]

I'd like to see Kruger on the field more, but not starting over Redding. Redding started out slow, but if you really pay attention to his play over the last 3 games, hes been disruptive, hes been in the backfield, hes stopped the run, hes rarely out of position, and to me, hes actually played lights out since the atlanta game.

[ravens13]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1291239702' post='556502']
Yeah that's the one move I don't understand.
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I was, and still am, a big fan of Barnes. The story is that he was in Harbaugh's doghouse when he was here and was usually inactive/not on the field because of that. I like that Harbaugh has cleaned up discipline and penalties, but not playing (and then trading) a guy who is excellent in an aspect of the game as important as getting to the quarterback because he doesn't play special teams well, or he missed one tackle on Cedric Benson is ridiculous.

[Alexir]

[quote name='ravens13' timestamp='1291313694' post='557454']
I was, and still am, a big fan of Barnes. The story is that he was in Harbaugh's doghouse when he was here and was usually inactive/not on the field because of that. I like that Harbaugh has cleaned up discipline and penalties, but not playing (and then trading) a guy who is excellent in an aspect of the game as important as getting to the quarterback because he doesn't play special teams well, or he missed one tackle on Cedric Benson is ridiculous.
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Yeah how a guy like Barnes doesnt make our roster because of character and we have guys like burgess, jones (at the time) and kruger on our team shock me. I love me some Barnes.

[BloodRaven]

Barnes didn't make the team because he's a run liability, every one of our front 7 has to be able to play the run. That and every single backup linebacker who suits up is a specialist ST gunner.

[codizzle]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1291318464' post='557530']
Barnes didn't make the team because he's a run liability, every one of our front 7 has to be able to play the run. That and every single backup linebacker who suits up is a specialist ST gunner.
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I totally. Replied to this but it.didn't post but i was trying to say basically this lol... Barnes is the definition of one dimensional... All he can do is rush the passer

[flynismo]

I still dont get all the man love for Barnes.

A LB that cant play the run is pretty pointless. And he's over rated as a pass rusher too. Seven sacks in 46 games? That's nearly three full seasons worth of games. He has yet to earn the rep he has for being a pass rushing monster

[ravens13]

I agree that Barnes is one dimensional, but that is not an automatic disqualification from the team. If Kindle was expected to replace him as a situational pass rusher that is completely reasonable, but Barnes was traded in September and Kindle was injured in July. We have other one dimensional/situational players, ie. Cody, Phillips. Perhaps the coaching staff is favoring run stoppers over pass rushers, which I can't say is unreasonable, but we have so many run stoppers and not enough consistent pass rushers in my opinion. Barnes was never expected to play the run when he saw the field anyway, because he only played in obvious passing situations.

Also every backup linebacker cannot be a gunner on special teams. There are only two, and I might be wrong, but I believe that one is a receiver (Marcus Smith). Phillips, Ayanbadejo, Burgess, Ellerbe and Gooden (although the later two play on defense as well) cannot all be gunners.

[codizzle]

[quote name='ravens13' timestamp='1291321110' post='557581']
I agree that Barnes is one dimensional, but that is not an automatic disqualification from the team. If Kindle was expected to replace him as a situational pass rusher that is completely reasonable, but Barnes was traded in September and Kindle was injured in July. We have other one dimensional/situational players, ie. Cody, Phillips. Perhaps the coaching staff is favoring run stoppers over pass rushers, which I can't say is unreasonable, but we have so many run stoppers and not enough consistent pass rushers in my opinion. Barnes was never expected to play the run when he saw the field anyway, because he only played in obvious passing situations.

Also every backup linebacker cannot be a gunner on special teams. There are only two, and I might be wrong, but I believe that one is a receiver (Marcus Smith). Phillips, Ayanbadejo, Burgess, Ellerbe and Gooden (although the later two play on defense as well) cannot all be gunners.
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gunner wasn't the correct terminology used but all those you mentioned play st just not as gunners. ..

Cody and kindle are examples of players that are exceptional in one are but could definitely mature into great overall players whereas it doesn't seem as is that Barnes will ever be able to be a complete player

[flynismo]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1291321495' post='557594']
gunner wasn't the correct terminology used but all those you mentioned play st just not as gunners. ..

Cody and kindle are examples of players that are exceptional in one are but could definitely mature into great overall players whereas it doesn't seem as is that Barnes will ever be able to be a complete player
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Actually, Kindle is a force against the run, as well as being a thorough bred pass rusher -- that's why he was considered a top 10-15 talent. He's a special talent, which makes his situation all the more frustrating.

[ravens13]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1291320876' post='557573']
I still dont get all the man love for Barnes.

A LB that cant play the run is pretty pointless. And he's over rated as a pass rusher too. Seven sacks in 46 games? That's nearly three full seasons worth of games. He has yet to earn the rep he has for being a pass rushing monster
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The statistics are misleading. He did not see the field often, because admittedly he is a one dimensional player. When he was out there however, he was consistently around the qb, influencing the throw/decision making, even if he didn't get the sack.

[flynismo]

[quote name='ravens13' timestamp='1291321688' post='557601']
The statistics are misleading. He did not see the field often, because admittedly he is a one dimensional player. When he was out there however, he was consistently around the qb, influencing the throw/decision making, even if he didn't get the sack.
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he was on the field enough to accumulate 52 tackles, meaning he got slightly over 1 tackle a game. Obviously that means he wasn't a full time player, but he saw a lot of action...I'm just saying that he hasn't proven anything yet. Maybe he could prove to be a good pass rusher if given the chance.

[codizzle]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1291321660' post='557600']
Actually, Kindle is a force against the run, as well as being a thorough bred pass rusher -- that's why he was considered a top 10-15 talent. He's a special talent, which makes his situation all the more frustrating.
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wasn't knocking his talent at all or trying to slight his abilities in other areas. .. I just don't get extensive in my posts cause Im always on my phone and typing out paragraphs at a time gets annoying.. Byte i agree with you which would further validate my point...

[ravens13]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1291321938' post='557606']
he was on the field enough to accumulate 52 tackles, meaning he got slightly over 1 tackle a game. Obviously that means he wasn't a full time player, but he saw a lot of action...I'm just saying that he hasn't proven anything yet. Maybe he could prove to be a good pass rusher if given the chance.
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Without going into a sacks (or knockdowns or hurries)per down played analysis v. so called top pass rushers, maybe with game situations thrown in there somehow, I can't argue your point statistically. I don't have those stats anyway and I wouldn't do all of that if I did . My opinion is based on the only other thing I can base it on, what I saw when I noticed Barnes was in the game. A lot of things don't show up on the stat sheet anyway, so I guess we can agree to disagree on Barnes.

Back to Kruger, who I agree has more potential to be a better all around player than Barnes.