Why Do The Chargers Always Beat Indy But We Cant

[funky141]

[quote name='saved72907' timestamp='1291131282' post='555112']
Why? So the Colts can knock us off in the playoffs because Cam is going to use his same old clock control mentality like he always does against them, and ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to change his gameplan until it's way too late? I dread playing the Colts in the playoffs. Not because I think they are better, but the way we play them. I remember when the Ravens D kept the Colts out of the endzone and we STILL lost 15-9 or something like that, and if I remember right, Stover missed 3 fg's for us that game. It doesn't seem to matter how well the defense plays, the offense will just play that much worse.
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No, Stover made all 3 of his field goals he attempted. I remember that game like it was yesterday. It was a great hard hitting defensive game.

[Ravenmore74]

The answer for the OP is because Manning is from San Diego and not Baltimore!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ravenmore74' timestamp='1291151388' post='555340']
The answer for the OP is because Manning is from San Diego and not Baltimore!
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Peyton was born in New Orleans.

[CorvusCorax]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1291050409' post='554011']
The Chargers have beaten Indy more often than the Ravens have because of several factors:

1) The San Diego offense has always matched up better against Indy's notoriously-porous defense
2) The Chargers probably know something about the Colts' tendencies on both offense and defense that few people have caught
3) The Chargers have coincidentally played Indy late in the year in every meeting of the Philip Rivers era; with the injuries continually plaguing the Colts in November, this is more to San Diego's advantage than Indy's
4) The Ravens offense, prior to last year's regular-season showdown, has never been potent enough to capitalize on the weaknesses of Indy's defense
5) Peyton Manning has historically had a field day against Rex Ryan's defenses, which is why the Ravens played the Colts much closer last season than in years past

There's probably more reasons, but really, I boil it just down to great gameplanning by the Chargers, who seem to get more hyped for this game as a statement game than most other games on their schedule. The timing of each matchup definitely helps, as I also mentioned.
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I think if we had to play the Colts this season, it would be a different story.

[steeldude]

I can give you a quick answer to this question-Philip Rivers! The guy is a beast and maybe the best QB in the NFL!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='steeldude' timestamp='1291160899' post='555590']
I can give you a quick answer to this question-Philip Rivers! The guy is a beast and maybe the best QB in the NFL!
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Wait, does Phillips Rivers play defense too and intercept Peyton more than any other team when the Chargers play the Colts?

[steeldude]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291161213' post='555596']
Wait, does Phillips Rivers play defense too and intercept Peyton more than any other team when the Chargers play the Colts?
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No but he doesn't let Peyton control the pace of the game-which is why you guys can't beat the Colts-you let Manning dictate and Philips Rivers dictates as good as any QB ever. IMO I would put him in the Dan Marino class. Give the man his props!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='steeldude' timestamp='1291161618' post='555600']
No but he doesn't let Peyton control the pace of the game-which is why you guys can't beat the Colts-you let Manning dictate and Philips Rivers dictates as good as any QB ever. IMO I would put him in the Dan Marino class. Give the man his props!
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I don't have to give Rivers his props. He's a very good QB and makes plays for his team, something Ravens QBs have rarely done when they're played the Colts.

Still, Rivers playing well has little bearing on what Peyton does. Look at this past Sunday night as an example. The Chargers didn't even score an offensive TD till late so how did they affect Peyton? It was the San Diego' D that smacked Peyton around and forced him into critical mistakes.

[steeldude]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291162120' post='555609']
I don't have to give Rivers his props. He's a very good QB and makes plays for his team, something Ravens QBs have rarely done when they're played the Colts.

Still, Rivers playing well has little bearing on what Peyton does. Look at this past Sunday night as an example. The Chargers didn't even score an offensive TD till late so how did they affect Peyton? It was the San Diego' D that smacked Peyton around and forced him into critical mistakes.
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Case in point for the number 1 offense and defense in the NFL-which does not let Peyton Manning dictate a game! Always a perfect game plan on beating the Colts!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='steeldude' timestamp='1291162994' post='555621']
Case in point for the number 1 offense and defense in the NFL-which does not let Peyton Manning dictate a game! Always a perfect game plan on beating the Colts!
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Now you're changing your argument? Fail.

Again, Peyton and the Colts do what they want to do, regardless of what the opposing team is doing. If the opposing team scores, they'll try and score. If the Colts are up, the'll continue to put up points till the opposing team is buried.

This "not being allowed to dictate a game" crap you keep spouting is just conjecture.

[steeldude]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291163309' post='555627']
Now you're changing your argument? Fail.

Again, Peyton and the Colts do what they want to do, regardless of what the opposing team is doing. If the opposing team scores, they'll try and score. If the Colts are up, the'll continue to put up points till the opposing team is buried.

This "not being allowed to dictate a game" crap you keep spouting is just conjecture.
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Well it sure explains why the Chargers have the Colts number and you guys don't. The bottom line is disrupt what Manning is trying to do. You guys just try to contain him which never works! The Ravens always try to protect against Mannings long ball and give him the underneath stuff-he chews you up everytime. However IMO its moot-Colts don't make it to the playoffs this year.

Heres my playoff picture for what it's worth:
by seeds.

1. New England
2. Pittsburg
3. San Diego
4. Jacksonville

Wild Cards

5. New York Jets
6. Kansas City.

Again IMO!

[bdravens]

You do realize you're spelling "Pittsburgh" wrong right?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='steeldude' timestamp='1291164383' post='555654']
Well it sure explains why the Chargers have the Colts number and you guys don't. The bottom line is disrupt what Manning is trying to do. You guys just try to contain him which never works! The Ravens always try to protect against Mannings long ball and give him the underneath stuff-he chews you up everytime. However IMO its moot-Colts don't make it to the playoffs this year.

Heres my playoff picture for what it's worth:
by seeds.

1. New England
2. Pittsburg
3. San Diego
4. Jacksonville

Wild Cards

5. New York Jets
6. Kansas City.

Again IMO!
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No, nothing you've said explains why the Chargers own the Colts.

I've seen the Ravens blitz, drop people into coverage and everything in between against the Colts the past 6 seasons and they've really taken him off his game the way the Chargers do.

You saying the Ravens try to "contain" him while the Chargers "disrupt" what he does is again, a fact-less claim

No one cares about your play-off picture. The topic is about San Diego's success against Indy.

[steeldude]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291164968' post='555672']
No, nothing you've said explains why the Chargers own the Colts.

I've seen the Ravens blitz, drop people into coverage and everything in between against the Colts the past 6 seasons and they've really taken him off his game the way the Chargers do.

You saying the Ravens try to "contain" him while the Chargers "disrupt" what he does is again, a fact-less claim

No one cares about your play-off picture. The topic is about San Diego's success against Indy.
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I think I successfully explained why the Chargers consistently beat the Colts. Again there are two reasons-One is Philip Rivers and 2 the Chargers disrupt Mannings timing. In short they are not content to try to contain him as history has shown you guys are! Say what you want - instead of arguing the points why don't you counter with an idea as to why Peyton Manning owns you guys!

[saved72907]

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1291147560' post='555295']
No, Stover made all 3 of his field goals he attempted. I remember that game like it was yesterday. It was a great hard hitting defensive game.
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Then you would have remembered that he only kicked 2 because the score was 15-6 lol. I'm telling you though, I'm almost sure I remember losing to the Colts 1 time because of 3 missed FG's. I'll have to try and dig it up.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='steeldude' timestamp='1291165563' post='555680']
I think I successfully explained why the Chargers consistently beat the Colts. Again there are two reasons-One is Philip Rivers and 2 the Chargers disrupt Mannings timing. In short they are not content to try to contain him as history has shown you guys are! Say what you want - instead of arguing the points why don't you counter with an idea as to why Peyton Manning owns you guys!
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No, you didn't. All teams try to disrupt Peyton somehow. For some reason, the Chargers are able to do it better than anyone else.

How has history shown the Ravens are "content to contain" Peyton? Seriously, can you produce an single piece of information to back up that claim?

The reasons Peyton has had success against the Ravens are pretty simpe. Rex refused to stop blitzing him when he was the DC and despite the Ravens' talent at CB position(save for the '07 matchup) Peyton took advantage of man coverage most of the time.

Last season, with Mattison calling the shots, the defend faired relatively well against Peyton and the Colts' offense. It was the offense that didn't hold up their end of the bargain.

[steeldude]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291166726' post='555690']
No, you didn't. All teams try to disrupt Peyton somehow. For some reason, the Chargers are able to do it better than anyone else.

How has history shown the Ravens are "content to contain" Peyton? Seriously, can you produce an single piece of information to back up that claim?

The reasons Peyton has had success against the Ravens are pretty simpe. Rex refused to stop blitzing him when he was the DC and despite the Ravens' talent at CB position(save for the '07 matchup) Peyton took advantage of man coverage most of the time.

Last season, with Mattison calling the shots, the defend faired relatively well against Peyton and the Colts' offense. It was the offense that didn't hold up their end of the bargain.
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History of consecutive losses to the Colts is the main information I have. You are blaming one thing one year and then something else the next. Until you guys starting disrupting manning and stop giving him the underneath stuff my guess is you will never beat him. Don't worry tho he is getting old and can't last to many more years.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='steeldude' timestamp='1291164383' post='555654']
Well it sure explains why the Chargers have the Colts number and you guys don't. The bottom line is disrupt what Manning is trying to do. You guys just try to contain him which never works! The Ravens always try to protect against Mannings long ball and give him the underneath stuff-he chews you up everytime. However IMO its moot-Colts don't make it to the playoffs this year.

Heres my playoff picture for what it's worth:
by seeds.

1. New England
2. Pittsburg
3. San Diego
4. Jacksonville

Wild Cards

5. New York Jets
6. Kansas City.

Again IMO!
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In order for the Jets to be a WC, they have to lose. So, you're saying NE beats them and the Steelers lose to them? Because, if the Steelers and NE beat them, Ravens hold the tie-breaker on them. Already your playoff picture doesn't make sense.

Just for the record, because I really don't put much stock in the NFL pundits, but they are saying it is more likely for the Chiefs to take the Steelers WC spot.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='steeldude' timestamp='1291167360' post='555694']
History of consecutive losses to the Colts is the main information I have. You are blaming one thing one year and then something else the next. Until you guys starting disrupting manning and stop giving him the underneath stuff my guess is you will never beat him. Don't worry tho he is getting old and can't last to many more years.
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ROFL!

Just admit it. You have no way to support your general statements regarding the Chargers or Ravens.

I haven't "blamed" the losses on anything. Not every Ravens loss to the Colts has been the same and I produced reasons for the defeats.

The past two losses the Ravens have suffered at the hands of Indy obviously had more to with the offense's limitations than the defense. It wasn't about giving Peyton underneath stuff because in today's flag-happy NFL, no defense can completely shut down a short passing game.

You're not a Ravens fan, so I wouldn't expect you to know how the losses went down but don't try to ignorantly argue otherwise without the facts.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ravenmore74' timestamp='1291151388' post='555340']
The answer for the OP is because Manning is from San Diego and not Baltimore!
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Brilliant.....we can always count on you!

[flaccopoe]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291168293' post='555703']
ROFL!

Just admit it. You have no way to support your general statements regarding the Chargers or Ravens.

I haven't "blamed" the losses on anything. Not every Ravens loss to the Colts has been the same and I produced reasons for the defeats.

The past two losses the Ravens have suffered at the hands of Indy obviously had more to with the offense's limitations than the defense. It wasn't about giving Peyton underneath stuff because in today's flag-happy NFL, no defense can completely shut down a short passing game.

You're not a Ravens fan, so I wouldn't expect you to know how the losses went down but don't try to ignorantly argue otherwise without the facts.
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I think the Ravens could definitely beat the Colts in a possible playoff match this time around: they've been having a difficult time this season (5 turnovers in 1 game, anybody)? BTW, what does ROFL stand for?

[bdravens]

[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1291172178' post='555770']
I think the Ravens could definitely beat the Colts in a possible playoff match this time around: they've been having a difficult time this season (5 turnovers in 1 game, anybody)? BTW, what does ROFL stand for?
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Rolling on the floor laughing

[flaccopoe]

[quote name='bdravens' timestamp='1291172330' post='555774']
Rolling on the floor laughing
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[bdravens]

[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1291172452' post='555779']

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I didn't see that one!!

[steeldude]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291168293' post='555703']
ROFL!

Just admit it. You have no way to support your general statements regarding the Chargers or Ravens.

I haven't "blamed" the losses on anything. Not every Ravens loss to the Colts has been the same and I produced reasons for the defeats.

The past two losses the Ravens have suffered at the hands of Indy obviously had more to with the offense's limitations than the defense. It wasn't about giving Peyton underneath stuff because in today's flag-happy NFL, no defense can completely shut down a short passing game.

You're not a Ravens fan, so I wouldn't expect you to know how the losses went down but don't try to ignorantly argue otherwise without the facts.
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I have watched every Ravens game possible with more than just a passing interest. Since 2002 and your playoff loss to us I have watched your defense go slowly downhill. Marvin Lewis was the master of all that. Those early defenses of the Ravens would have never allowed todays Manning control the tempo of games. That is why most teams can't figure out how to consistently beat the Colts. Argue the point till the cows come home but if you let Manning control the game by giving him the underneath stuff he will beat you EVERY time. You can stop a short passing game by not allowing receivers to make early cuts and sending extra guys EVERY down and make Manning beat you deep! From my vantage point he has killed you guys with short passing completions. Regardless of how your offense has played if you can't stop Manning from making his bread and butter short completions you are not going to beat the Colts!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='steeldude' timestamp='1291174254' post='555835']
I have watched every Ravens game possible with more than just a passing interest. [b]Since 2002 and your playoff loss to us I have watched your defense go slowly downhill[/b]. Marvin Lewis was the master of all that. Those early defenses of the Ravens would have never allowed todays Manning control the tempo of games. That is why most teams can't figure out how to consistently beat the Colts. Argue the point till the cows come home but if you let Manning control the game by giving him the underneath stuff he will beat you EVERY time. You can stop a short passing game by not allowing receivers to make early cuts and sending extra guys EVERY down and make Manning beat you deep! From my vantage point he has killed you guys with short passing completions. Regardless of how your offense has played if you can't stop Manning from making his bread and butter short completions you are not going to beat the Colts!
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The statement in bold alone shows you have [b]NOT[/b] "watched every Ravens game possible".

The Ravens allowed Manning to complete short pases in the first regular season game last year and that wasn't the main reason they lost the game. [b]The inability to punch it in from the one-yard line and Joe's interception in the fourth quarter were much bigger factors in that loss than anything Manning did[/b]. The Ravens picked off Peyton twice that game and again, it was the offense that failed.

You say a defense can stop a short passing game by "not allowing receivers to make early cuts and sending extra guys every down". That statement makes me seriously question what you know abut football. Not every CB in the league is adept at press coverage and can reroute WRs off the line of scrimmage. And like I said before(it probably didn't get through), Manning usually carves up teams that blitz. We watched him do it here in Baltimore in '05 and '07 and in Indy in '08.