MERGED: Baltimore Ravens Vs Buc's

[RavensWin2052]

Looks like weve got this one in the bag, now to focus on next weeks showdown with Pittsburgh.

[drfeelgood]

Why is it that whenever we take the lead in a game , we go to playing conservative.. bump that.. run up the score Cam.

[Kwothdaraven]

if it wasnt for an absolutely ludicris call, Flacco actually thros for 360 yards and 3tds

[bucfever66]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1290914979' post='551913']
Lol. The old Begals comparison. I can't even believe we lost to them which is embarrassing to be quite honest. But they know us. They know Flacco, our defense, etc. We lost, plain and simple, and I hope you Bucs fans will be back tomorrow after you lose.
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No need to wait until tomorrow, I'm here now. As for the Bengal reference, it's uncanny how well divisional teams play eachother regardless of directions they're going in. Heck, there was a long while where every team that came in last from the NFC South, would win the division the following year, Bucs will be in the thick of the division then, we know what we need.

[ufojoe]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1290984429' post='552660']
Where's the guy that told me predicting us to blow out TB is overzealous? I'd like to have a word with him.17-3 Ravens, not even half time yet.[/quote]

That guy was right. 17-10.

Our run D is for real.

Your D was too good for our young QB. Confused him and threw him off his game.

That pass interference on us before your second TD was bogus. The non-call later against Ruud was a make-up call.

The holding call was bogus on the long Rice play. Sabby P. missed another tackle and pretended to be held. He sucks. That's why Grimm starts over him. Hope Grimm didn't break the ankle.

Why our OC didn't go hurry up sooner is beyond me.

I'm disappointed but not too much. Our D is improving and our young O will continue to learn and grow. This is a good learning experience for them.

[ufojoe]

Oh, and congrats on the win.

[GenBrooks55]

Ravens Fans, Congrats on the victory ! your defense was too much for our O-Line & it showed on Freeman's performance. Just like someone said, I don't quite understand why we were going so slow late in the 3rd/ea 4th Quarter. To me the key to the game was the defensive stand when we had 1st & goal from the 5....you need to come out of that with 7 points....Oh well...maybe next time....too many penalties to win on the road !

Once Again....Congrats !

GenBrooks55

[BucsFan5]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1290984429' post='552660']
Where's the guy that told me predicting us to blow out TB is overzealous? I'd like to have a word with him.17-3 Ravens, not even half time yet.
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That was me so yea, what do you want?

[codizzle]

Sensing a little attitude from some of you... Better check yourself... You still lost

[BucsFan5]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1290993030' post='553424']
Sensing a little attitude from some of you... Better check yourself... You still lost
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? I made a thread congratulating you guys on the win. I am just saying that the guys who expected a blowout were proven wrong. Blame your guy for speaking too soon.

[flaccopoe]

[quote name='GenBrooks55' timestamp='1290992721' post='553406']
Ravens Fans, Congrats on the victory ! your defense was too much for our O-Line & it showed on Freeman's performance. Just like someone said, I don't quite understand why we were going so slow late in the 3rd/ea 4th Quarter. To me the key to the game was the defensive stand when we had 1st & goal from the 5....you need to come out of that with 7 points....Oh well...maybe next time....too many penalties to win on the road !

Once Again....Congrats !

GenBrooks55
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Thanks! You had me worried when you scored that late TD. Your defense did a very good job of containing our offense. Despite being the 29th ranked run defnse, you did a pretty good job of containing Rice and McGahee.

[bucfever66]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1290914329' post='551906']
You are right, we lost to winning teams and losing teams. The simple fact that you are ignoring, although it has been pointed many times, is that although you too have lost to winning teams you have not BEATEN any winning teams. The Ravens have beaten two serious winning teams, and were blown out by no one. You have beaten NO winning teams and were in fact blown out by two of them. This doesn't seem like a pertinent fact to you? This has no bearing upon your opinion of your own teams greatness? No no wait. I forgot those teams were early in the season so, they don't count, or not as much, or something like that. Right? Winning by 1 0r 2 points is still winning. You could not even make it a close game, unless close is somewhere near 25 points.

You guys are looking up at delusional. Now I have never said this will be a blow out, but I do not expect a nail biter game either. We will control the game for the most part, and we will win.

Man I will be happy when this game is over and the lunatics go back to the asylum.
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Hey man, if you think I'm a lunatic because of the points I made, then it's no use sharing my opinion with you, your obviously bothered by it, BTW, what is looking up at delusional even mean, and who are you to give this diagnosis? To rebuttal your weak statement and insult, because you completely missed MY point either by choice or maybe it just has to be in layman's terms. Either way, how you explained what you thought I was getting at, makes you sound very much like an instigator and/or teenager, and clearly didn't take the time to genuinely understand what I was saying, which begs the question: what does that make your Ravens if we are so delusional to think the Bucs are a pretty good team?

Allow me to break it down since the game is over. If you don't think the Bucs are a different team with now having a legitimate running game, then you'll never "get" what I'm saying. We installed Blount as our official "starter" AFTER those (losses) which apparently is what's giving you (and others) this perception (that the Bucs aren't that good)- which you seem so hell bent on preserving. But here's all I'm saying bud.....had Blount been our starter in those losses, there's a good chance we play them all to the wire or win at least one of those games.

I'm assuming you know the game, which means you would understand the tremendous advantage a DEFENSE [u]always[/u] has if it knows an offense is just ONE dimensional, in our case we couldn't run effectively, especially between the tackles/guards, pre-Blount. So now defenses can afford to focus on stopping our passing game without giving up valuable resources to stop the run.

So having [i]now[/i] to all of a sudden [b]concern[/b] themselves with a legitimate [i]factor back[/i] in Blount, makes whatever other weapons we have on offense even more dangerous, thus forcing their D to now play honest. ANY defense in this league (good or bad) will succeed [u]every[/u] time if there's no element of surprise like having NO running game(i.e. pre-Blount). If all a defense had to do is emphasize on stopping the passing (like when a team is down by several TD's and HAS to pass), well they now are one dimensional, like the Bucs were before establishing a respectable running game, which again, only came after those losses you keep reminding me of. These team's defenses were simply pinning their ears back and jail breaking it to the QB. The worst defense can shut down the best offense that is only 1 dimensional by simply keying on the only facet that they're good at. Put simply, we are a much stronger team that lost to those good teams, and I bet this game would have also been a blowout had we not simply had the "threat" of a running game that we now have. Ok?

Great game, the Ravens were a better team than the Bucs today and are likely better than maybe 30 other teams as well.

[bucfever66]

[quote name='flaccorice27' timestamp='1290872194' post='551578']
Guys, seriously. Lots of people keep saying its gonna be close. Wrong! 4-0 at home, 15-3 with black jerseys, 2-0 with them under Harbs. Wont even be close! At least 20 point margin of victory
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It was clearly NOT a blowout, Nobody was a fantasy star by any means, but the Ravens won, and that's the bottom line-congrats.

[bucfever66]

[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1290994161' post='553457']
Thanks! You had me worried when you scored that late TD. Your defense did a very good job of containing our offense. Despite being the 29th ranked run defnse, you did a pretty good job of containing Rice and McGahee.
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Freeman does better when he calls his own plays, but gees, on at least 2 occasions we had 3rd and short, and we throw low percentage passes down field late in the game, really? Not sure I liked the play calling when it wasn't even play action, but I guess had it worked, I'd be singing a different tune I'm sure. Ravens still got a tough D, my hats off, they brung it and we didn't, damn.

[Jabara]

[quote name='bucfever66' timestamp='1291001686' post='553614']
Hey man, if you think I'm a lunatic because of the points I made, then it's no use sharing my opinion with you, your obviously bothered by it, BTW, what is looking up at delusional even mean, and who are you to give this diagnosis? To rebuttal your weak statement and insult, because you completely missed MY point either by choice or maybe it just has to be in layman's terms. Either way, how you explained what you thought I was getting at, makes you sound very much like an instigator and/or teenager, and clearly didn't take the time to genuinely understand what I was saying, which begs the question: what does that make your Ravens if we are so delusional to think the Bucs are a pretty good team?

Allow me to break it down since the game is over. If you don't think the Bucs are a different team with now having a legitimate running game, then you'll never "get" what I'm saying. We installed Blount as our official "starter" AFTER those (losses) which apparently is what's giving you (and others) this perception (that the Bucs aren't that good)- which you seem so hell bent on preserving. But here's all I'm saying bud.....had Blount been our starter in those losses, there's a good chance we play them all to the wire or win at least one of those games.

I'm assuming you know the game, which means you would understand the tremendous advantage a DEFENSE [u]always[/u] has if it knows an offense is just ONE dimensional, in our case we couldn't run effectively, especially between the tackles/guards, pre-Blount. So now defenses can afford to focus on stopping our passing game without giving up valuable resources to stop the run.

So having [i]now[/i] to all of a sudden [b]concern[/b] themselves with a legitimate [i]factor back[/i] in Blount, makes whatever other weapons we have on offense even more dangerous, thus forcing their D to now play honest. ANY defense in this league (good or bad) will succeed [u]every[/u] time if there's no element of surprise like having NO running game(i.e. pre-Blount). If all a defense had to do is emphasize on stopping the passing (like when a team is down by several TD's and HAS to pass), well they now are one dimensional, like the Bucs were before establishing a respectable running game, which again, only came after those losses you keep reminding me of. These team's defenses were simply pinning their ears back and jail breaking it to the QB. The worst defense can shut down the best offense that is only 1 dimensional by simply keying on the only facet that they're good at. Put simply, we are a much stronger team that lost to those good teams, and I bet this game would have also been a blowout had we not simply had the "threat" of a running game that we now have. Ok?

Great game, the Ravens were a better team than the Bucs today and are likely better than maybe 30 other teams as well.
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Don't worry what others say.
It was a sloppy game for both teams.
Flacco had a bad day, and so did Freeman.
I expected the Ravens to win, but both teams should have put up at least 10 more points, although I did say the Bucs wouldn't score more than 17.

We can't afford to play this bad against the Steelers and I hope the injuries we sustained don't last.
We should have blown out the Bucs in the second half, but we again looked slow on offense and didn't really get the job done.

A few weeks ago my girlfriend told me that I said in my sleep, that, "I don't like the timing of the Ravens offense" and I guess I'd have to agree while awake.
Our offensive line is allowing too much pressure on Joe, even though we've had to make dramatic shifts to change it up, but that won't help us in the playoffs.

[Moderator 2]

I noticed something about Freeman as the game went on and it got colder, he had some ball handling problems--almost dropped a snap, looked like it came out 'funny'. I may be wrong but its what I saw.

[BohBalmerOsbohs]

find those hot hands? haha

[Moderator 2]

I was good--I did learn that I can't use my blackberry touch screen with light gloves or cold hands, it does not sense it.

[Mick0311]

[quote name='Moderator 2' timestamp='1291012027' post='553760']
I was good--I did learn that I can't use my blackberry touch screen with light gloves or cold hands, it does not sense it.
[/quote]


Yeah, I have the HTC Incredible, and I have the same issue. Sucks real bad at a game haha

[jaege]

[quote name='bucfever66' timestamp='1291001686' post='553614']
Hey man, if you think I'm a lunatic because of the points I made, then it's no use sharing my opinion with you, your obviously bothered by it, BTW, what is looking up at delusional even mean, and who are you to give this diagnosis? To rebuttal your weak statement and insult, because you completely missed MY point either by choice or maybe it just has to be in layman's terms. Either way, how you explained what you thought I was getting at, makes you sound very much like an instigator and/or teenager, and clearly didn't take the time to genuinely understand what I was saying, which begs the question: what does that make your Ravens if we are so delusional to think the Bucs are a pretty good team?

Allow me to break it down since the game is over. If you don't think the Bucs are a different team with now having a legitimate running game, then you'll never "get" what I'm saying. We installed Blount as our official "starter" AFTER those (losses) which apparently is what's giving you (and others) this perception (that the Bucs aren't that good)- which you seem so hell bent on preserving. But here's all I'm saying bud.....had Blount been our starter in those losses, there's a good chance we play them all to the wire or win at least one of those games.

I'm assuming you know the game, which means you would understand the tremendous advantage a DEFENSE [u]always[/u] has if it knows an offense is just ONE dimensional, in our case we couldn't run effectively, especially between the tackles/guards, pre-Blount. So now defenses can afford to focus on stopping our passing game without giving up valuable resources to stop the run.

So having [i]now[/i] to all of a sudden [b]concern[/b] themselves with a legitimate [i]factor back[/i] in Blount, makes whatever other weapons we have on offense even more dangerous, thus forcing their D to now play honest. ANY defense in this league (good or bad) will succeed [u]every[/u] time if there's no element of surprise like having NO running game(i.e. pre-Blount). If all a defense had to do is emphasize on stopping the passing (like when a team is down by several TD's and HAS to pass), well they now are one dimensional, like the Bucs were before establishing a respectable running game, which again, only came after those losses you keep reminding me of. These team's defenses were simply pinning their ears back and jail breaking it to the QB. The worst defense can shut down the best offense that is only 1 dimensional by simply keying on the only facet that they're good at. Put simply, we are a much stronger team that lost to those good teams, and I bet this game would have also been a blowout had we not simply had the "threat" of a running game that we now have. Ok?

Great game, the Ravens were a better team than the Bucs today and are likely better than maybe 30 other teams as well.
[/quote]

Your first paragraph was sort of confusing. I admit I was at the end of my rope and was being a bit instigating. Sarcasm is my natural way so all my posts carry some of that. As far as being a teen, well my son is no longer a teenager, although my grandson has a few more years before reahcing his teens so...

Look through all of my posts. At no point did I ever suggest that the Bucs were not good, or have not done a fine job. I never said that any of the players were not doing a good job. Nor did I ever say it would be a blow out. The Bucs were still a 7-3 team. That does not spell blow out.

My issue is with some bucs fans, maybe not you, but some that insist that since they have won and lost a few games and we have won and lost a few games that the two teams are equal. These fans have insisted that prior years records have no meaning, that having a bunch of veteran players, many of whom are HOFers is also meaningless (since the Bucs have a bunch of young hungry players that more than equalizes any advantage of experience and age.) That the vast schedule differences have no meaning. That the teams both teams have beaten and been beaten by has no meaning. The Bucs fans are fervent and zealous. It is impossible to debate logically and rationally with a zealot.

Also, I just have a pet peeve about the whole woulda, coulda shoulda, might, if thing. You are saying that IF Blount had played those two earlier games then you MAY have won them, but you must acknowledge that IF he had played them you still might have lost. He may have been hurt, which may have kept him from playing in later games that you then may have lost, perhaps having a poorer record. Or maybe the Steelers would have shut Blount down the way the Ravens did. You do not know. He was not in the game so that is not a factor. What "might have been" is not part of nor has a place in a rational argument.

The fact is that the Bucs DID lose againt all of the winning teams they have played, while winning against all the losing teams they have played. The Ravens have beaten most (all but one) of the losing teams, and more than half of the winning teams.

The Ravens are heavy with HOF players. Seasoned knowledgable experienced players. The Bucs are heavy with young inexperienced players. The Ravens are, at this time, a stronger team. That is without comparing past records.

Certainly having a running game makes the Bucs better, but this is only one guy. The rest of the team is the same, they have not changed. One guy does not make a team. He can help improve a team, but the stronger teams have ways of dealing with one guy.(look at what numerous teams have done in shutting down Rice)I realize that everyone was looking at what Hillis did and thought that Blount would do the same. That was a different situation. Hillis took us by surprise, but by the second half we had his number and stopped him. Blount was a known entity. He was stopped from the get go. Nothing against Blount. He is a heck of a runner, and very impressive, but still just one guy. A weak team (SF) may not be able to do anything about him. A strong team can. Same as Freeman. A good QB (not great...yet...but he shows promise) We rushed the pants off him and he got flustered. Joe got sacked a half dozen times and got up and led the team to a win. A years experience is a lot in the QB position.

The Bucs D did very well in the first quarter, and the O made a remarkable push in the 4th for that TD. Beyond that the Ravens pretty much ran the game. The Bucs played well, but, as I did state, the outcome was never really in doubt.

That idea there seemed to really rile the Bucs fans. That the Ravens fans had no "fear" of the Ravens losing. For all the reasons I listed above and many more, we the Ravens fans came to a reasonable, rational, logical conclusion, that the Ravens would win. And we were right. There was nothing to fear.

By the way, I have a degree in psychology so I actually can determine who may be a lunatic. Seriously. Not that I really think you or any other Bucs fan is any more a lunatic than I am. I trust you understand that was said in jest.

Your team played well, I will not be looking ofrward to playing them again in later years as I think they will only improve and be that much harder to beat.

[bucfever66]

[quote name='Moderator 2' timestamp='1291010258' post='553749']
I noticed something about Freeman as the game went on and it got colder, he had some ball handling problems--almost dropped a snap, looked like it came out 'funny'. I may be wrong but its what I saw.
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Yea, I don't care what anybody says, any team, especially the tropics that all of a sudden have to play in dramatically different conditions, have a much harder time making this adjustment. I agree, I think Freeman had some tactile issues when throwing because he usually makes many of the routine passes that were attempted yesterday, and he was constantly blowing into his hands to warm them. I still think the Bucs are a lot closer to the Ravens level than they get credit for, the defense has been coming around, but got caught flat footed on the big play to Heath, it's downright inexcusable for our MLB Ruud (already in sprint mode)not being able to catch Heath who had to make the catch and THEN pick up speed, totally made Ruud look like he was standing still. It was a sloppy game, and just like the Ravens should've had more points, our receivers dropped a couple of balls that could've made it closer, but it's all irrelavent as many things "could've" happened, but didn't, we simply got beat by the better team yesterday. But maybe, just maybe the Bucs had something to do with the Ravens playing sloppier ball than usual. Our time will come, for now we applaud you for the victory!

[bucfever66]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1291042466' post='553886']
Your first paragraph was sort of confusing. I admit I was at the end of my rope and was being a bit instigating. Sarcasm is my natural way so all my posts carry some of that. As far as being a teen, well my son is no longer a teenager, although my grandson has a few more years before reahcing his teens so...

Look through all of my posts. At no point did I ever suggest that the Bucs were not good, or have not done a fine job. I never said that any of the players were not doing a good job. Nor did I ever say it would be a blow out. The Bucs were still a 7-3 team. That does not spell blow out.

My issue is with some bucs fans, maybe not you, but some that insist that since they have won and lost a few games and we have won and lost a few games that the two teams are equal. These fans have insisted that prior years records have no meaning, that having a bunch of veteran players, many of whom are HOFers is also meaningless (since the Bucs have a bunch of young hungry players that more than equalizes any advantage of experience and age.) That the vast schedule differences have no meaning. That the teams both teams have beaten and been beaten by has no meaning. The Bucs fans are fervent and zealous. It is impossible to debate logically and rationally with a zealot.

Also, I just have a pet peeve about the whole woulda, coulda shoulda, might, if thing. You are saying that IF Blount had played those two earlier games then you MAY have won them, but you must acknowledge that IF he had played them you still might have lost. He may have been hurt, which may have kept him from playing in later games that you then may have lost, perhaps having a poorer record. Or maybe the Steelers would have shut Blount down the way the Ravens did. You do not know. He was not in the game so that is not a factor. What "might have been" is not part of nor has a place in a rational argument.

The fact is that the Bucs DID lose againt all of the winning teams they have played, while winning against all the losing teams they have played. The Ravens have beaten most (all but one) of the losing teams, and more than half of the winning teams.

The Ravens are heavy with HOF players. Seasoned knowledgable experienced players. The Bucs are heavy with young inexperienced players. The Ravens are, at this time, a stronger team. That is without comparing past records.

Certainly having a running game makes the Bucs better, but this is only one guy. The rest of the team is the same, they have not changed. One guy does not make a team. He can help improve a team, but the stronger teams have ways of dealing with one guy.(look at what numerous teams have done in shutting down Rice)I realize that everyone was looking at what Hillis did and thought that Blount would do the same. That was a different situation. Hillis took us by surprise, but by the second half we had his number and stopped him. Blount was a known entity. He was stopped from the get go. Nothing against Blount. He is a heck of a runner, and very impressive, but still just one guy. A weak team (SF) may not be able to do anything about him. A strong team can. Same as Freeman. A good QB (not great...yet...but he shows promise) We rushed the pants off him and he got flustered. Joe got sacked a half dozen times and got up and led the team to a win. A years experience is a lot in the QB position.

The Bucs D did very well in the first quarter, and the O made a remarkable push in the 4th for that TD. Beyond that the Ravens pretty much ran the game. The Bucs played well, but, as I did state, the outcome was never really in doubt.

That idea there seemed to really rile the Bucs fans. That the Ravens fans had no "fear" of the Ravens losing. For all the reasons I listed above and many more, we the Ravens fans came to a reasonable, rational, logical conclusion, that the Ravens would win. And we were right. There was nothing to fear.

By the way, I have a degree in psychology so I actually can determine who may be a lunatic. Seriously. Not that I really think you or any other Bucs fan is any more a lunatic than I am. I trust you understand that was said in jest.

Your team played well, I will not be looking ofrward to playing them again in later years as I think they will only improve and be that much harder to beat.
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I appreciate your take this time around, and you must know my ignorance was on full display as I thought you were referring mostly to me since it was after all replying to my post and i took it that you felt by my comments were unreasonable and delusional, so perhaps I should've given it more time before writing back on pure emotion, especially after a game that my team lost. Your point taken about Blount, but my point really was that without him in the back field, regardless of his production or lack thereof, the threat alone did indeed make a difference, for if we still drove the Cadillac, I feel it would of been a blowout, and that's the main point I was aiming at, that win or lose, we are a different team with merely the perception of a running game, and he did come close to busting some huge gains, but this time was kept in check. As for Freeman, this game does not change my view of him one ounce, as it shouldn't, he too was hurt by dropped balls that could've been momentum changers, but he also was blessed that a couple of those throws weren't picked off. I thought it was really odd that after Oher became injured by being rolled up on from behind (unintentional), and I hope it's not serious, I like him, but our rookie Cody Grimm (son of Russ Grimm) had almost the exact same thing happen to him, only he ended up having a broken ankle and thus will miss the rest of the year, but I've never seen that type of injury happen twice, in the same manner in the same game! Listen jaege, I apologize for my juvenile response and the suggestion I made about you being a teenager, you clearly are not and I hope after all this you don't think we're all a bunch of sore losers, I still think we're a lot better than the perception, but we're just going to have to prove it by beating teams like yours, and our schedule gets no easier with Atlanta coming in with a great 9-2 record that they earned.

Next Sunday will be a historic day marking the announcement of our first ever head coach in John McKay, who's induction into the [b][i]Ring Of Honor[/i][/b] will be only our second inductee (Lee Roy Selmon was our first) The Bucs will be in their orange throw back uniforms, and will present this honor to his son (former longtime GM for Tampa Bay) Rich McKay, who ironically enough is Atlanta's current General Manager, this will undoubtedly be an awkward moment for both parties as he has been a constant fixture of this team for many years, until he was fired (perhaps because of Gruden's inability to take orders) by the same family issuing this honor to him, the Glazer family. But knowing Rich, he will with class be gracious in accepting it in honor of our first ever head coach, his dad, who took an expansion team in 1976(pre-free agency) and having compiled a laughable record in the first 2 years of 0-26 (winning the last 2 games in '77), but he assembled a GREAT defense that ultimately helped get this team to a respectable 10-6 record in '79, where they fell short of a Super Bowl against the mighty Steelers by 9 points, as they lost the NFL Championship game that was decided by only 3 field goals, in a defensive battle against the LA Rams 9-0. McKay took a woeful expansion team to the brink of a SB in just 4 yrs, which at the time was unprecedented- for it was much harder to do back then, when your only so-called free agents consisted of other team's castoffs! Well farewell, and thanks for allowing me to chew the fat with you guys, and I'll now be pulling for the Ravens to represent the AFC in the big showdown in Dallas, and good luck with Oher!

[Finally]

Rich McKay is not our GM any longer. He is the president of the Falcons organization.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='bucfever66' timestamp='1291002359' post='553631']
Freeman does better when he calls his own plays, but gees, on at least 2 occasions we had 3rd and short, and we throw low percentage passes down field late in the game, really? Not sure I liked the play calling when it wasn't even play action, but I guess had it worked, I'd be singing a different tune I'm sure. Ravens still got a tough D, my hats off, they brung it and we didn't, damn.
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Ravens have given up some deep balls this season. Cant blame the Bucs for shooting deep.

[jaege]

[quote name='bucfever66' timestamp='1291057522' post='554122']
I appreciate your take this time around, and you must know my ignorance was on full display as I thought you were referring mostly to me since it was after all replying to my post and i took it that you felt by my comments were unreasonable and delusional, so perhaps I should've given it more time before writing back on pure emotion, especially after a game that my team lost. Your point taken about Blount, but my point really was that without him in the back field, regardless of his production or lack thereof, the threat alone did indeed make a difference, for if we still drove the Cadillac, I feel it would of been a blowout, and that's the main point I was aiming at, that win or lose, we are a different team with merely the perception of a running game, and he did come close to busting some huge gains, but this time was kept in check. As for Freeman, this game does not change my view of him one ounce, as it shouldn't, he too was hurt by dropped balls that could've been momentum changers, but he also was blessed that a couple of those throws weren't picked off. I thought it was really odd that after Oher became injured by being rolled up on from behind (unintentional), and I hope it's not serious, I like him, but our rookie Cody Grimm (son of Russ Grimm) had almost the exact same thing happen to him, only he ended up having a broken ankle and thus will miss the rest of the year, but I've never seen that type of injury happen twice, in the same manner in the same game! Listen jaege, I apologize for my juvenile response and the suggestion I made about you being a teenager, you clearly are not and I hope after all this you don't think we're all a bunch of sore losers, I still think we're a lot better than the perception, but we're just going to have to prove it by beating teams like yours, and our schedule gets no easier with Atlanta coming in with a great 9-2 record that they earned.

Next Sunday will be a historic day marking the announcement of our first ever head coach in John McKay, who's induction into the [b][i]Ring Of Honor[/i][/b] will be only our second inductee (Lee Roy Selmon was our first) The Bucs will be in their orange throw back uniforms, and will present this honor to his son (former longtime GM for Tampa Bay) Rich McKay, who ironically enough is Atlanta's current General Manager, this will undoubtedly be an awkward moment for both parties as he has been a constant fixture of this team for many years, until he was fired (perhaps because of Gruden's inability to take orders) by the same family issuing this honor to him, the Glazer family. But knowing Rich, he will with class be gracious in accepting it in honor of our first ever head coach, his dad, who took an expansion team in 1976(pre-free agency) and having compiled a laughable record in the first 2 years of 0-26 (winning the last 2 games in '77), but he assembled a GREAT defense that ultimately helped get this team to a respectable 10-6 record in '79, where they fell short of a Super Bowl against the mighty Steelers by 9 points, as they lost the NFL Championship game that was decided by only 3 field goals, in a defensive battle against the LA Rams 9-0. McKay took a woeful expansion team to the brink of a SB in just 4 yrs, which at the time was unprecedented- for it was much harder to do back then, when your only so-called free agents consisted of other team's castoffs! Well farewell, and thanks for allowing me to chew the fat with you guys, and I'll now be pulling for the Ravens to represent the AFC in the big showdown in Dallas, and good luck with Oher!
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No offense, but I hate Gruden. And your perception of your QB should not change. He is a promising young player as is the whole team. Dropped balls is something that can happen to anyone. Besides it did look like both Freeman and your receivers were suffering a bit from the cold. That could explain some of the less than stellar passes and some of the missed receptions. I know it is just exhilarating to finally have a winning team and it is easy to get carried away. Besides, any given Sunday. The Bucs have the same chance of taking this years bowl as much as anyone else.