Where Do U Rank Harbaugh

[Rav'n Maniac]

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No...we suck, our FO sucks, the coaches suck, Flacco sucks, I suck, you suck and the entire team sucks!
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So what's your point! lol

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Rav'n Maniac' timestamp='1290050843' post='543998']
So what's your point! lol
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That all the aforementioned entities rock!!!

[Ravens549]

Love the guy! One of my favorites in the NFL.
I mostly like his passion for the game and the willingness to run out on the field and hit some players.

[DieHardBMoreFan]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1289955645' post='543099']
I'd place him somewhere in the top 15.

My two beefs with Harbaugh are the occasional challenge he makes that have no shot at being overturned and the amount of freedom he gives to the coordinators. The Bengals and Pats are perfect example.
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sometimes breaking the momentum is worth of a red flag being thrown-knowing it's not going to be overturned. Red ones usually last longer then normal TOs

Edit:
i would put Harbs at 5 to be honest. I love what he has done with the organization over the past 3 years, love his attitude, the way he holds himself, always praises our players-but of course we could see some improvement!

[True]

Somewhere around 10-13.

He's done a great job of taking a team with a rookie QB to the playoffs his first year and into the second year as well. He's enforced some good discipline this past off season that penalties are way down then compared from last season. His track record against teams with bad records is astounding at something around 22-2 I believe.

Now he really hasn't cracked the upper echelon of coaching because he doesn't have the influence or impact on shaping his team like a Belicheck, Payton, Reid, Fischer, because he doesn't work on the offense or defense. He's a special teams guy and the Ravens special team isn't all too spectacular. He has good OC/DC that do the work for him, but I've noticed that Ravens don't make correct adjustments in the game plan during the game and that's the HC responsibility to make sure his coordinators understand what he wants and I don't see that happen very often. Also his record against elite teams with winning records is like 5-15. It's great to beat the teams you're supposed to, but if you want to be considered an elite coach, you have to beat the elite teams.

It'll take a few more years of good post regular season teams and post season success before I'd put him in the top 5.

[FerrariFan87]

John is definitely a Top 10 coach in this league... once we win the big one, he'll jump up into the Top 5 for sure.

[justifythegame]

I would put Harbs at 15, and thats being generous as i might even say bottom 15. Harb has had a huge impact on the players brought it on the defensive side of the ball for 3 years and he has not brought in any good players. He has had an impact on ozzie's board in the drafts as well. One thing this defense is missing right now is that there is no players of impact brought in since Haloti Ngata. And that has held this team back. And getting into some specifics, he is in love with corners who have a great 40 time instead of actual coverage ability.

The coaches he has brought in have been terrible with the exception of Cam Cameron as well. Bringing in personal friends like Mattison and Rossburg over qualified coaches have negatively impacted areas of this team which have been very strong in the past.

He has focused the drafts on STs players, saying STs have a great impact on the game, and while that may or may not be true, the Ravens STs have been terrible during the last 3 years. The return game has been mediocre and the STs allow big returns on a regular basis when it used to be a unit that was once as ferocious as the defense was. That is very disappointing from a former STs coach.

He has trouble with challenges and clock management, even with time outs at times. This might just be due to his inexperience and im sure he will improve, but i think the people putting Harbaugh in the top 10 are pure homers.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='justifythegame' timestamp='1290107021' post='544356']
I would put Harbs at 15, and thats being generous as i might even say bottom 15. Harb has had a huge impact on the players brought it on the defensive side of the ball for 3 years and he has not brought in any good players. He has had an impact on ozzie's board in the drafts as well. One thing this defense is missing right now is that there is no players of impact brought in since Haloti Ngata. And that has held this team back. And getting into some specifics, [b]he is in love with corners who have a great 40 time instead of actual coverage ability.[/b]

[b]The coaches he has brought in have been terrible with the exception of Cam Cameron as well. Bringing in personal friends like Mattison and Rossburg over qualified coaches have negatively impacted areas of this team which have been very strong in the past.[/b]

[b]He has focused the drafts on STs players, saying STs have a great impact on the game, and while that may or may not be true, the Ravens STs have been terrible during the last 3 years. The return game has been mediocre and the STs allow big returns on a regular basis when it used to be a unit that was once as ferocious as the defense was. That is very disappointing from a former STs coach. [/b]

He has trouble with challenges and clock management, even with time outs at times. This might just be due to his inexperience and im sure he will improve, but i think the people putting Harbaugh in the top 10 are pure homers.
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So what CBs should he have traded for or drafted instead?

If the coaches he's brought in have been [i]terrible[/i], how has the team been to the play-offs two seasons in a row and is very much in the thick of the play-off hunt this season?

How has he "focused the drafts on special teams players"? The return game has been very poor this season but it was fine in '08 and pretty good last season too. The coverage units have been solid too. The Ravens have only allowed one return for a TD in the time Harbaugh has been the head coach and they've frequently nullified the best return man in the game in Cribbs.

[RedFire]

you have to give credit to harbaugh for letting the coordinators coach. NO ONE LIKES A MICROMANAGER!

do you all like it at your place of employment when the boss is over your shoulder and telling you to do things step by step with no atonomy? I think not! this is a business as well...remember that people.

[Xxx52xxX]

For me hes the #1 coach [And i know thats me being a homer] But there is nobody else in the league i want coaching The Ravens then J.Harbaugh

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1290045883' post='543928']
I find it interesting that so many Ravens fans are knocking Harbs for the coordinators he has around him, which seems to mainly be Cam. However when i think back to Billick, my biggest problem with him was that he wouldn't allow the offensive coordinator to do his job. It was Billick's offense point blank. Because he was presumed a offensive genuis, he wanted the offense run his way.

One of the things i love about Harbs is he allows the people that get paid to do a job, actually do their job. That is the same approach that Mr B has and that's on of the main reasons this Franchises is among the best in the NFL.

I look at the things that Harbs has had to deal with and the fact that he has overcome them for the most part. Being a first time Head Coach with only being a special teams coordinator, unplanned bye the 2nd week of the season and the team goes on to play in the AFC Championship game. Making the tough decision to let a fan favorite in Stover go and having this team in playoff contention 3 years straight

Under Harbs the Ravens have lost a total of 15 by a combined total of 110 points. That a 7.3 margin of defeat, which means in in most games the Ravens loss, the Ravens played well enough to win. In the 26 wins Harbs has, the Ravens have outscored opponents by a total of 383 points for an average of 14.7 ppg.

I love the fact that in his first Monday Night game as a coach, he publicly stated that we were building a dynasty. I love how he pull Ellerbe up after showboating in a preseason game and reminded him to play like a Raven.

For me Harbs isn't prefect, but he is definitely a top 10 coach in the NFL and a Super Bowl win would do wonders for his position.
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The reason Harbs doesn't take over the offense is because he can't. Remember he has no track record of coordinating anything other than special teams, and that is the Ravens greatest weakness. Top ten coach man please, he is a team spokesman he is not a coach.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1290220334' post='545314']
The reason Harbs doesn't take over the offense is because he can't. Remember he has no track record of coordinating anything other than special teams, and that is the Ravens greatest weakness. Top ten coach man please, he is a team spokesman he is not a coach.
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Your outlook on everything Ravens is so depressing. Why are you even a fan?

[Guest RBates]

Realistically i got Harbs at 25 maybe. Only because he doesn't coach any aspect of the game. It is hard to gauge what i think of a person's work when i haven't seen him do anything but delegate others to do the coaching for him. I think Hue Jackson may have been a better coach than anyone on our roster right now. Harbs work with the special teams and get them right then i might move you to 20 overall.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1290220720' post='545318']
Realistically i got Harbs at 25 maybe. Only because he doesn't coach any aspect of the game. It is hard to gauge what i think of a person's work when i haven't seen him do anything but delegate others to do the coaching for him. I think Hue Jackson may have been a better coach than anyone on our roster right now. Harbs work with the special teams and get them right then i might move you to 20 overall.
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Wait, when did you become a Ravens employee to know that Harbaugh "doesnt coach any aspect of the game"? Seriously, its ignorant statements like that make your argument a joke.

The return game has struggled but what exactly should Harbaugh be doing to fix it? Is it his fault guys have consistently taken kick-offs out several yards deep in the end-zone, field punts inside the 10 or fumble the ball?

Also, if you want to bash Harbaugh for the return game(despite certain things being out of his control), why won't you credit him for Koch and Cundiff both playing at a Pro Bowl?

[Clutch Ravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1290221295' post='545322']
Wait, when did you become a Ravens employee to know that Harbaugh "doesnt coach any aspect of the game"? Seriously, its ignorant statements like that make your argument a joke.

The return game has struggled but what exactly should Harbaugh be doing to fix it? Is it his fault guys have consistently taken kick-offs out several yards deep in the end-zone, field punts inside the 10 or fumble the ball?

Also, if you want to bash Harbaugh for the return game(despite certain things being out of his control), why won't you credit him for Koch and Cundiff both playing at a Pro Bowl?
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Some people only see what they want to see and believe what they want to believe.

[NinjaTurtle]

Harbaugh has to be within the top 7 or 8, if he could get to the AFCCG in your rookie season, he must be doing something right.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1290221295' post='545322']Also, if you want to bash Harbaugh for the return game(despite certain things being out of his control), why won't you credit him for Koch and Cundiff both playing at a Pro Bowl?<br />[/quote]


um, hellloooo? We don't give credit to our coaches around here.
sheesh...

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1290239784' post='545396']
um, hellloooo? We don't give credit to our coaches around here.
sheesh...
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Silly me. I forgot, we don't.

[jusraven]

[quote name='HaX' timestamp='1290003902' post='543437']
Can't stand the fact that he doesn't let us wear the all black uniform, it makes us look so badass
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It's because the officials throw more flags against the team when they do. Give Harb. credit for recognizing that fact.

My list of best coaches of the present and recent past.
Top 11:

Bill Belicheck
Mike Tomlin
Andy Reid
Tom Coughlin
Sean Payton
Jeff Fisher
John Harbaugh
Rex Ryan
Mike Smith
Raheem Morris
Jeff Haley

[T-Sizz]

Would you guys rather Ryan than him?

[ravenwildman]

After winning this years Superbowl, he could earn a No# 2-3 spot on the list!

GO RAVENS!

[Betweenthetackles]

32

Rex Ryan #1

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Betweenthetackles' timestamp='1290278447' post='545514']
32

Rex Ryan #1
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One play-off appearance thanks to multiple teams laying down makes you #1? Interesting...

[Renediffie]

I am so very pleased with Harbs. Remember how young he still is. He still has a lot to learn and he will only get better in time. Besides hes just the kind of guy you want representing the franchise.

[gabefergy]

I really love Harbs, there isnt any coach I would rather have coaching the Ravens. He brings a great intensity to the games, and it clearly rubs off onto the players.

My list looks like:

Belichick
Fisher
Payton
Reid (though hes horrible at clock management)
Tomlin
Caughlin
Harbaugh

[CapoRocky]

How many head coaches made the playoffs at his age?

[berad]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1290298376' post='545684']
How many head coaches made the playoffs at his age?
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John Harbaugh, although he looks/acts like it, isn't that young. He took over in 2008 at the age of 46. Many coaches have had success earlier than him because they became head coaches earlier than him. His early-tenure playoff success is great, though, regardless of physical age.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1290221295' post='545322']
Wait, when did you become a Ravens employee to know that Harbaugh "doesnt coach any aspect of the game"? Seriously, its ignorant statements like that make your argument a joke.

The return game has struggled but what exactly should Harbaugh be doing to fix it? Is it his fault guys have consistently taken kick-offs out several yards deep in the end-zone, field punts inside the 10 or fumble the ball?

Also, if you want to bash Harbaugh for the return game(despite certain things being out of his control), why won't you credit him for Koch and Cundiff both playing at a Pro Bowl?
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What exactly was ignorant about saying he doesn't coach any aspect of the game. Do you see him calling plays? Harbaugh's game day coaching is limited to challenges and talking to refs. Some of yall can be such fans. Im only pointing out the obvious. Oh yeah and it is usually the ignorant that have a hard time of seeing things from another perspective. Especially when the facts are in play.

[Guest RBates]

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Your outlook on everything Ravens is so depressing. Why are you even a fan?
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Facts its only the facts. Don't be afraid of the truth it will set you free.

[Elmo]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1290422729' post='547807']
What exactly was ignorant about saying he doesn't coach any aspect of the game. Do you see him calling plays? Harbaugh's game day coaching is limited to challenges and talking to refs. Some of yall can be such fans. Im only pointing out the obvious. Oh yeah and it is usually the ignorant that have a hard time of seeing things from another perspective. Especially when the facts are in play.
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So by that logic Brad Childress is a great coach because he calls offensive plays, and last year his team played well??? Or Wade Phillips and his Cowboys?

In my opinion the Head Coach's job is to make sure his team is winning... Which Harbaugh does. Granted, the ability to take over one side of the ball can be valuable, which is why Billicheck is on the top of the list... But you don't fix what you don't see as broken, so by that account you have to judge Harbaugh as a coach on whether r not he should fire Cam/Mattison and take over play-calling duties for them... Would it put the team in a better situation? I think not, but we can't possibbly know... Anyways, judging Harbaughs ability strictly on whether or not he is the "coordinator" of a certain aspect of the game is exactly as narrowminded, as you acuse others of being...