Where Do U Rank Harbaugh

[Ravens Lover]

I just saw this post on Baltimore Sun asking where would you rank Harbaugh within the 32 head coaches saw I thought I'd post it here. I'd say 10. Where would u have him?


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[flynismo]

Harbs is a great fit for us.I'd put him in the top 6-7.

[Shammy]

10-15 range

[berad]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1289955189' post='543090']
Harbs is a great fit for us.I'd put him in the top 6-7.
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I agree with this. He's a hell of a lot better than most out there.

[Ed_Reed20]

I'd place him somewhere in the top 15.

My two beefs with Harbaugh are the occasional challenge he makes that have no shot at being overturned and the amount of freedom he gives to the coordinators. The Bengals and Pats are perfect example.

[The King]

I feel like Harbaugh does a very good job with challenges (and also time outs), and would be interested to see how he stacks up against other coaches as far as his record goes in getting plays overturned when he challenges. HE also makes sure the Ravens win all of the games we're supposed to, with only one loss to a team under .500 in his time with the Ravens (to the troublesome Bengals early this season). Both of those are a big part of beign a good coach, and I would rank him in the top 10 in the league.

I would say Bill Belichick is the unchallenged number one coach in the NFL.

[Ravens Lover]

[quote name='The King' timestamp='1289956230' post='543104']
I feel like Harbaugh does a very good job with challenges (and also time outs), and would be interested to see how he stacks up against other coaches as far as his record goes in getting plays overturned when he challenges. HE also makes sure the Ravens win all of the games we're supposed to, with only one loss to a team under .500 in his time with the Ravens (to the troublesome Bengals early this season). Both of those are a big part of beign a good coach, and I would rank him in the top 10 in the league.

I would say Bill Belichick is the unchallenged number one coach in the NFL.
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no doubt about that

[Bltravens]

Off the top of my head for clear cut better:

Fischer
Belichick
Reid


Are the only ones I can think of who are clear cut better HCs. Id include Shanahan but his disastrous decision to switch the Redskins to a 3-4 defense when he had a top 6 or 7 defense for the last 4 years placed in his lap was awful. Id put Tomlin and Coughlin in the debatable range of being a better head coach than Harbaugh. Both have super bowls, but Coughlin is on the verge of being fired almost every year. Tomlin is a great manager of his team and fits his team well but in terms of actual coaching Im not sure hes clearly better than Harbaugh.

[Jamal]

I'd say top 15.

[Alexir]

I would put him on the good half (first 16). Behind Rex though....

[flaccopoe]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1289955645' post='543099']
I'd place him somewhere in the top 15.

My two beefs with Harbaugh are the occasional challenge he makes that have no shot at being overturned and the amount of freedom he gives to the coordinators. The Bengals and Pats are perfect example.
[/quote]

That's just what I was thinking when I saw the title of this thread. He definitely should be in the top 10. He really needs to reign in Cam though; otherwise we're slated for a repeat of our loss to ATL.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1289969178' post='543286']
That's just what I was thinking when I saw the title of this thread. He definitely should be in the top 10. He really needs to reign in Cam though; otherwise we're slated for a repeat of our loss to ATL.
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To be fair, Cam's play-calling and of course, the offense actually executing got the team back in the game against the Falcons but in certain situations, you'd like to see Harbaugh put his foot down and tell Cam to continue to pound the rock and I know if he does that.

[RoflDogs]

HC that I think are better than Harbaugh:

Belicheck
Fisher
Reid
Tomlin
Coughlin
Payton


I think it speaks more about the incompetence of the rest of the league than our own competence.

[JO_75]

I would say Top 5 for Harbs just because of his success ever since taking over this team in 2008. Personally my bottom 10 coaches would be

- Chan Gailey
- John Fox
- Josh McDaniels
- Brad Childress
- Todd Haley
- Steve Spagnolo
- Marvin Lewis
- Jack Del Rio
- Lovie Smith
- Jim Schwartz

My Top 5:

- Bill Belicheck: Obviously this is more so because of his past success but they have been competitive with Brady and as it showed in 2008, without him. Bill is the reason why they can be competitive without Brady. Plus he is a Draft Master Mind just like our Ozzie Newsome.

- Mike Tomlin: Has already got a Super Bowl ring as a Head Coach and has the Steelers playing well every year.

- Mike Smith: Similar to Harbs, he was part of the 2008 Rookie Coaching Class and has done very well and has the Falcons as the NFC's Best this season and they could very well find their way to the Super Bowl in Dallas.

- Jeff Fisher: Very Under rated if you ask me, it's a shock he is not a Super Bowl winning Head Coach by now. If he can put together a good Titans team, he could get multiple rings as a Head Coach.

- John Harbaugh: He has done alot since becoming the Head Coach in 2008, and has coached this team very well and has the Ravens being Super Bowl Contenders every year. Plus his 20-12 regular season record is impressive. Plus Ravens are 6-3 this season.

Obviously Rex is not on the list, but I have Rex not in the top 5 because like I stated Harbs gets the 5th spot because he has been very successful(2 years in the playoffs, all the way to the AFC Championship game in his 1st year, 20-12 record his first two years including a 3-2 playoff record which would bring his total including the playoffs to 23-14. It's too early to judge Rex as a top 5 coach since this is his second year coaching.

[purple.n.black]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1289955645' post='543099']
I'd place him somewhere in the top 15.

My two beefs with Harbaugh are the occasional challenge he makes that have no shot at being overturned and the amount of freedom he gives to the coordinators. The Bengals and Pats are perfect example.
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Those are exactly the two reasons why he drops from being 5-8 for me to somewhere around 12. He is a hell of a lot better than many out there though and I am happy with him.

[reediddy]

My list goes:

Bill Belichick
Mike Tomlin
Jeff Fisher
Sean Payton
Andy Reid
Tom Coughlin
John Harbaugh
Mike Smith

A few of these guys might be out of place but that's where I'd put them. Belichick's sucess is incomparable IMO. Tomlin and Payton had early success as coaches. Fisher and Reid have had consistent success in their tenures. The thing I like about Coughlin is his ability to respond to diversity and criticism and still produce a good team year in and year out. Harbaugh and Smith will move into that upper echelon when they get their rings, WHICH THEY WILL.

Side note: This list is eerily similar to the one Colin Cowherd stated on ESPN Radio no plagiarism though!! It's what I think

[berad]

I'd go...

Belichick
Payton
Fisher
Reid
Tomlin
Coughlin
Harbaugh

Rex Ryan and Mike Smith are down because of Harbaugh's more impressive post-season history. Some fast-risers to me, personally, are Schwartz and Mangini - they have their squads playing hard.

[Rav'n Maniac]

I agree with some that Harbs is a good fit for us. With that said, I don't believe he has broken the top ten yet. As a manager, you are only as good as the people that directly report to you. In this case, Harbs is only as good as his coordinators and none of our coordinators are top ten, IMO. Especially on offensive special teams!

[HaX]

Can't stand the fact that he doesn't let us wear the all black uniform, it makes us look so badass

[1/28/01]

[quote name='HaX' timestamp='1290003902' post='543437']
Can't stand the fact that he doesn't let us wear the all black uniform, it makes us look so badass
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And while looking "so badass", we lose more often than not for some reason.

[Alexir]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1290009045' post='543489']
And while looking "so badass", we lose more often than not for some reason.
[/quote]

This is the most ignorant comment I have ever read lol

I can understand if we wore them like 15 times and we were a perennial playoff team but we have never worn them under Harbs administration. A color of a jersey does not make you win or lose. Did you ever consider that we lost in them because we just werent a good team at the time?

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1290032146' post='543764']
This is the most ignorant comment I have ever read lol

I can understand if we wore them like 15 times and we were a perennial playoff team but we have never worn them under Harbs administration. A color of a jersey does not make you win or lose. Did you ever consider that we lost in them because we just werent a good team at the time?
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It was a joke, [i]<good sir>[/i]

Do you know the definition of ignorance? It does not seem that way, based on you seeing this as an ignorant statement...

[PuRock]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1290032977' post='543782']
It was a joke, [i]<good sir>[/i]

Do you know the definition of ignorance? It does not seem that way, based on you seeing this as an ignorant statement...
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And besides you were merely pointing out a FACT! That doesn't mean the fact can be slighted or anything.

[Ravens Lover]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1289970797' post='543306']
I would say Top 5 for Harbs just because of his success ever since taking over this team in 2008. Personally my bottom 10 coaches would be

- Chan Gailey
- John Fox
- Josh McDaniels
- Brad Childress
- Todd Haley
- Steve Spagnolo
- Marvin Lewis
- Jack Del Rio
- Lovie Smith
- Jim Schwartz

My Top 5:

- Bill Belicheck: Obviously this is more so because of his past success but they have been competitive with Brady and as it showed in 2008, without him. Bill is the reason why they can be competitive without Brady. Plus he is a Draft Master Mind just like our Ozzie Newsome.

- Mike Tomlin: Has already got a Super Bowl ring as a Head Coach and has the Steelers playing well every year.

- Mike Smith: Similar to Harbs, he was part of the 2008 Rookie Coaching Class and has done very well and has the Falcons as the NFC's Best this season and they could very well find their way to the Super Bowl in Dallas.

- Jeff Fisher: Very Under rated if you ask me, it's a shock he is not a Super Bowl winning Head Coach by now. If he can put together a good Titans team, he could get multiple rings as a Head Coach.

- John Harbaugh: He has done alot since becoming the Head Coach in 2008, and has coached this team very well and has the Ravens being Super Bowl Contenders every year. Plus his 20-12 regular season record is impressive. Plus Ravens are 6-3 this season.

Obviously Rex is not on the list, but I have Rex not in the top 5 because like I stated Harbs gets the 5th spot because he has been very successful(2 years in the playoffs, all the way to the AFC Championship game in his 1st year, 20-12 record his first two years including a 3-2 playoff record which would bring his total including the playoffs to 23-14. It's too early to judge Rex as a top 5 coach since this is his second year coaching.
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Lovie did get the Bears to the Super Bowl though

[berad]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1290032146' post='543764']
This is the most ignorant comment I have ever read lol

I can understand if we wore them like 15 times and we were a perennial playoff team but we have never worn them under Harbs administration.[b] A color of a jersey does not make you win or lose. Did you ever consider that we lost in them because we just werent a good team at the time?[/b]
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So if the color of the jersey doesn't make a difference in winning and losing football games, then why should John Harbaugh be knocked for not wearing the black-black uniforms? After all, his job is to win football games - not play stage manager. If he doesn't like them, that's good enough for me, he's the boss.

[Ravensfan23]

I find it interesting that so many Ravens fans are knocking Harbs for the coordinators he has around him, which seems to mainly be Cam. However when i think back to Billick, my biggest problem with him was that he wouldn't allow the offensive coordinator to do his job. It was Billick's offense point blank. Because he was presumed a offensive genuis, he wanted the offense run his way.

One of the things i love about Harbs is he allows the people that get paid to do a job, actually do their job. That is the same approach that Mr B has and that's on of the main reasons this Franchises is among the best in the NFL.

I look at the things that Harbs has had to deal with and the fact that he has overcome them for the most part. Being a first time Head Coach with only being a special teams coordinator, unplanned bye the 2nd week of the season and the team goes on to play in the AFC Championship game. Making the tough decision to let a fan favorite in Stover go and having this team in playoff contention 3 years straight

Under Harbs the Ravens have lost a total of 15 by a combined total of 110 points. That a 7.3 margin of defeat, which means in in most games the Ravens loss, the Ravens played well enough to win. In the 26 wins Harbs has, the Ravens have outscored opponents by a total of 383 points for an average of 14.7 ppg.

I love the fact that in his first Monday Night game as a coach, he publicly stated that we were building a dynasty. I love how he pull Ellerbe up after showboating in a preseason game and reminded him to play like a Raven.

For me Harbs isn't prefect, but he is definitely a top 10 coach in the NFL and a Super Bowl win would do wonders for his position.

[berad]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1290045883' post='543928']
[b]Under Harbs the Ravens have lost a total of 15 by a combined total of 110 points. That a 7.3 margin of defeat, which means in in most games the Ravens loss, the Ravens played well enough to win.[/b] In the 26 wins Harbs has, the Ravens have outscored opponents by a total of 383 points for an average of 14.7 ppg.
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I feel like a big portion of that total is the results of the '08 Giants and Colts games, too.

Agree with everything you said.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1290046725' post='543939']
I feel like a big portion of that total is the results of the '08 Giants and Colts games, too.

Agree with everything you said.
[/quote]

Yea those 2 games are a huge portion of it. When you consider that we lost those 2 games by a total of 48 points.

That's those 2 games out of it and the Ravens lost 13 games by a combined total of 62 points for a average of 4.7 points per defeat.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1290048247' post='543960']
Yea those 2 games are a huge portion of it. When you consider that we lost those 2 games by a total of 48 points.

That's those 2 games out of it and the Ravens lost 13 games by a combined total of 62 points for a average of 4.7 points per defeat.
[/quote]

That's the sign of a coach who gets his team ready to play every game and a coaching staff that makes adjustments even when the team starts slow.

I'll admit, I've criticized the coaches on various things but we as fans should be happy we have a team and front office that is solid to where we can focus on the small things and not have to worry about the direction of the organization as a whole.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1290048989' post='543971']
That's the sign of a coach who gets his team ready to play every game and a coaching staff that makes adjustments even when the team starts slow.

I'll admit, I've criticized the coaches on various things but we as fans should be happy we have a team and front office that is solid to where we can focus on the small things and not have to worry about the direction of the organization as a whole.
[/quote]
No...we suck, our FO sucks, the coaches suck, Flacco sucks, I suck, you suck and the entire team sucks!