Cam Cameron Complaint Thread

[blitzking33]

Cam - Why is it that everytime Ray Rice gets hot you always go back to throwing with Flacco? First half the OLine did not protect and Flacco could not move the chains. Ray Rice was getting first downs and positive yards that eventually led to our first TD drive. Then... next drive.... you WENT BACK TO THE PASSING GAME. Drove me NUTS!

[Ed_Reed20]

I have no excuse as to why Cam likes to abandon the run when it's working. He's proven time and time again, he out-thinks himself.

To your second point, the Ravens don't have an elite o-line. When was the last time they picked up a big run from the right side? Chester shouldn't be starting and Yanda should be playing guard.

As for the Ravens, when you only have one true pass rusher, you're going to get picked up sending five more often than not. Ever since '06, we've seen it more and more.

[PuRock]

[quote name='blitzking33' timestamp='1289576480' post='538576']
Cam - Why is it that everytime Ray Rice gets hot you always go back to throwing with Flacco? First half the OLine did not protect and Flacco could not move the chains. Ray Rice was getting first downs and positive yards that eventually led to our first TD drive. Then... next drive.... you WENT BACK TO THE PASSING GAME. Drove me NUTS!
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It did seem like Rice was poised for a big game right out of the gate, then we stopped utilizing him. Then he helped get our mojo back later in the game, then we stopped utilizing him again.

Cam truly outhinks the gameplan. "The Run game is working, now is the time to run....wait that's what they want and they know it.....I'm going to stop running and pass again."

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1289576840' post='538589']
It did seem like Rice was poised for a big game right out of the gate, then we stopped utilizing him. Then he helped get our mojo back later in the game, then we stopped utilizing him again.

Cam truly outhinks the gameplan. [b]"The Run game is working, now is the time to run....wait that's what they want and they know it.....I'm going to stop running and pass again."[/b]
[/quote]

That's exactly what goes through his head. No one can convince me otherwise.

[757RavensFan]

Cam....let Joe audible!!! Period!!

[Moderator 3]

Mod note: since we already have an extensive Mattison thread, let's try keeping this one to Cam. We might not have to reiterate the same stuff over and over that way.

[Jamal]

Cam never ceases to amaze me....

[Mick0311]

I know people are going to point out that we jump on all the coaches when we lose...blah, blah, blah. I like Cam, and I think he is a good O.C. But, when he continues to leave something that is working, he leads to our defeats. There is no excuse for it.

[CorvusCorax]

The only thing I'm really going to complain about was abandoning the run (mostly Rice) at certain drives.

We did come back though and put up points. Remember when we couldn't do that?

[OLD SCHOOL SMASH BALL]

Cam- RUN THE FREAKIN BALL!

[Ed_Reed_Pick_Six]

Yep this is starting to annoy me too. Run the flipping football! We have no possession, and that didn't help our defence at all down the stretch.

Furthermore, I feel like half our passing plays are poorly drawn up. 3 wide 1 tight end sets or four wide (rare, I know) seem to congest the field, we need deeper options. Defences can easily condense in coverage right now because the route spacing and direction seems wrong.

Joe isn't helping though by missing open reads. Rice out of the back field several times, Boldin is open virtually all the time barring double teams... sigh!

[rlh445]

[quote name='blitzking33' timestamp='1289576480' post='538576']
Cam - Why is it that everytime Ray Rice gets hot you always go back to throwing with Flacco? First half the OLine did not protect and Flacco could not move the chains. Ray Rice was getting first downs and positive yards that eventually led to our first TD drive. Then... next drive.... you WENT BACK TO THE PASSING GAME. Drove me NUTS!
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Like I said in the game thread, it seems as if Cam always likes to find out what's going to work, and then try to 'trick' the opposing defense into readying themselves for that while he 'surprisingly' tries whatever the opposite is instead of just staying with what's working. I don't know why he thinks this works (although in fairness, sometimes it does) but perhaps this game showed him that if you try it and it doesn't work immediately you should probably go back to what was working before. Too bad it took him almost three quarters to finally relent and start handing the ball off again.

[RoflDogs]

I think the only way we can keep Cam Cameron as our OC is to have Joe calling the plays and making his own decisions because Cam doesn't know how to stick to what's working

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RoflDogs' timestamp='1289618087' post='539666']
I think the only way we can keep Cam Cameron as our OC is to have Joe calling the plays and making his own decisions because Cam doesn't know how to stick to what's working
[/quote]

I'm on board with that. If the Ravens wants to win a SB this year, Joe needs to get more control. I don't know how much input he gets on the game-plans against upcoming opponents but I really think he should be scripting a series or things like that if he isn't already. And he definitely needs to be allowed to audible.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1289618535' post='539670']
I'm on board with that. If the Ravens wants to win a SB this year, Joe needs to get more control. I don't know how much input he gets on the game-plans against upcoming opponents but I really think he should be scripting a series or things like that if he isn't already. And he definitely needs to be allowed to audible.
[/quote]
I hate even doing this, but the on the field comparisons of Ryan and Flacco when it comes to audibles, changes and just being verbal in general was like apples and oranges. Pains me, but Ryan was impressing me. I hope they allow Flacco to start showing the on the field audibles we need out of him soon.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1289619188' post='539678']
I hate even doing this, but the on the field comparisons of Ryan and Flacco when it comes to audibles, changes and just being verbal in general was like apples and oranges. Pains me, but Ryan was impressing me. I hope they allow Flacco to start showing the on the field audibles we need out of him soon.
[/quote]

Yep. I hate to admit it too but Ryan definitely seemed more in control of his offense than Joe did his. The only time I saw Joe noticeably vocal was when he was telling Houshmandzadeh to get off the field on the last posession.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1289619640' post='539685']
Yep. I hate to admit it too but Ryan definitely seemed more in control of his offense than Joe did his. The only time I saw Joe noticeably vocal was when he was telling Houshmandzadeh to get off the field on the last posession.
[/quote]
Yeah, that was kind of funny....Housh was like the red headed step child getting yelled at and then sulked off the field.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1289619188' post='539678']
I hate even doing this, but the on the field comparisons of Ryan and Flacco when it comes to audibles, changes and just being verbal in general was like apples and oranges. Pains me, but Ryan was impressing me. I hope they allow Flacco to start showing the on the field audibles we need out of him soon.
[/quote]
Flacco is on a short leash, it seems, but Ryan was also at home which means he didn't have to worry about crowd noise. From what little I saw of the Steelers game, he didn't seem so comfy then.

[omar586]

the problem with CAM is he's anti-running-the-ball OC, that have always came back and bit him in the A@#, every time our running game get hot cam shuts it down and starts passing, his brain must be half dead or something, CAM needs to fix the offense to start fast in games, we have been starting slow in games and making the D stay on the field for too long, i mean vs. atlanta our offense was slow as a turtle but the running game was working then cam pulled a CAM, and started passing, our D got tired, and CAM's twin brother who's appearantly our DC too, have bad playcallings too. i mean for god sake, we have almost the same personnel that rex had when he was here, heck even better players, i dont think mattison is utilizing defensive players like he should, all i got say is rex was a beast as DC

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='omar586' timestamp='1289675137' post='540030']
the problem with CAM is he's anti-running-the-ball OC, that have always came back and bit him in the A@#, every time our running game get hot cam shuts it down and starts passing, his brain must be half dead or something, CAM needs to fix the offense to start fast in games, we have been starting slow in games and making the D stay on the field for too long, i mean vs. atlanta our offense was slow as a turtle but the running game was working then cam pulled a CAM, and started passing, our D got tired, and CAM's twin brother who's appearantly our DC too, have bad playcallings too. i mean for god sake, [b]we have almost the same personnel that rex had when he was here, heck even better players,[/b] i dont think mattison is utilizing defensive players like he should, all i got say is rex was a beast as DC
[/quote]

Ummm..no. I know the moderators want this topic strictly kept about Cam but I have to respond to this. This D does NOT have almost the same personnel as the ones under Rex and the current players are NOT better than the ones Rex had.

Between players getting older, players leaving through FA and neglect in the draft(due to upgrading the offense), the talent on D has DECLINED.

[JohnJohnson]

Come on CAM! We can't have 0 points through more than a half of football. Webb's fumble really didn't help.

BTW, Webb's stock has taken a dip, and he knows it. Terrible CB play PLUS a back-breaking fumble while trying to do too much on a punt return.

[hawkprey]

The first half was not Cam's fault, it was the fault of the O-line. Cam only had a few days to prepare for the game, and if I'm not mistaken, we rallied in the 4th quarter. Probably means he corrected the offense on the fly, which is not something we see from him a lot. This whole Cam stuff is getting old. He's stepped up. Admit it.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1289675799' post='540046']
The first half was not Cam's fault, it was the fault of the O-line. Cam only had a few days to prepare for the game, and if I'm not mistaken, we rallied in the 4th quarter. Probably means he corrected the offense on the fly, which is not something we see from him a lot. This whole Cam stuff is getting old. He's stepped up. Admit it.
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I'd +1 you if I could (damn mobile skin), but either way, I agree!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1289675799' post='540046']
The first half was not Cam's fault,
[b]it was the fault of the O-line.[/b] Cam only had a few days to prepare for the game, and if I'm not mistaken, we rallied in the 4th quarter. Probably means he corrected the offense on the fly, which is not something we see from him a lot. This whole Cam stuff is getting old. He's stepped up. Admit it.
[/quote]

The o-line was struggling in pass pro but they were mauling the Falcons on the ground. As bad as the commentators were, Millen brought up a great point at one time saying the intermediate and deep routes Cam wanted to run had to stop because of the pressure. But cam continued with shotgun and five-step drops.

I credit him for his late-game play-calling but he could have helped the offense in the first half with better calls.

[flynismo]

Here's the thing, fellas (and defending Cam leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, believe me)...When you have a guy like Flacco at QB, you want to build your offense around him, and make him the focal point of your offensive gameplans, especially at critical points of a game.As good as Rice is, his presence should serve the purpose of relieving the pressure off the pass attack more than anything else (as well as be a part of the pass offense, of course).With a guy like Flacco at QB, and guys like Boldin, Mason, Heap and Rice at his disposal, we need to emphasise our pass game as often as possible.Run-run-run was appropriate in the past, when our QBs couldn't hit the broad side of Rex Ryan, but times have changed.

[Jamal]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1289676173' post='540053']
The o-line was struggling in pass pro but they were mauling the Falcons on the ground. As bad as the commentators were, Millen brought up a great point at one time saying the intermediate and deep routes Cam wanted to run had to stop because of the pressure. But cam continued with shotgun and five-step drops.

I credit him for his late-game play-calling but he could have helped the offense in the first half with better calls.
[/quote]
Yeah. Cam has 2 problems. He is very stubborn, and he isn't very creative. I credit for him the reverses, and the flea flicker against the Bills, but his plays are very straight forward most of the times.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1289677454' post='540078']
Yeah. Cam has 2 problems. He is very stubborn, and he isn't very creative. I credit for him the reverses, and the flea flicker against the Bills, but his plays are very straight forward most of the times.
[/quote]

I really liked the double fake sceen and pass to Heap over the middle against the Pats.

But like you said, most of his plays are generic. I'm not calling for trickery all the time but with the weapons on this team, I just don't feel the potential is being reached.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1289677454' post='540078']
Yeah. [b]Cam has 2 problems. He is very stubborn, and he isn't very creative.[/b] I credit for him the reverses, and the flea flicker against the Bills, but his plays are very straight forward most of the times.
[/quote]

Another problem is his dictatorship. I need Joe to rebel and liberate the offense for great future.

After the Falcons loss, we all had witnessed Ryan was better than Joe because Ryan can audible the offense. No one sees better view against the opponent's defense than the QB himself.

PS: When are we going to dilute Cam's power over the offense?

[Raven146]

Cam , controls everything . Joe can only do what he is allowed too. Until that changes Joe will never be a great quarterback. Cam called the shots in Miami and was fired because he was inept. The only change is he came to Baltimore. But he does not believe in audibles. his quote " Audibles are over rated"

The real problem is his ego. Offense is the Cam Cameron show, not the Ravens show. Perhaps it is time for Harbaugh to step on Cams toes and force the issue. All great quarterbacks are allowed to change the play from what the see on the field. The job of the offense coordinator should be to design plays and make suggestions for the play. Cam has cost a lot of delay of game penalties because of calling the play late.

But that said the last quarterback to call the game in Baltimore was Trent Difler during the Superbowl. When he did it Cavanaugh threw a fit on the sidelines and Trent became the only quarterback ever to win the Superbowl and lose his job.

[blitzking33]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1289676231' post='540055']
Here's the thing, fellas (and defending Cam leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, believe me)...When you have a guy like Flacco at QB, you want to build your offense around him, and make him the focal point of your offensive gameplans, especially at critical points of a game.As good as Rice is, his presence should serve the purpose of relieving the pressure off the pass attack more than anything else (as well as be a part of the pass offense, of course).With a guy like Flacco at QB, and guys like Boldin, Mason, Heap and Rice at his disposal, we need to emphasise our pass game as often as possible.Run-run-run was appropriate in the past, when our QBs couldn't hit the broad side of Rex Ryan, but times have changed.
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I agree and disagree.

You are right about building the offense around Flacco, but, that is no excuse for not giving Rice the ball WHEN HE IS HOT. If something is working, stick to it. By what you are saying, you are giving me the idea that Cam is only coaching to turn Flacco into a legend. You play to win. It's simple. If Flacco was struggling and Rice is moving the chains, you have to stick to the run game.