MERGED: Mattison Complaint Threads

[ace raven]

Look, I really hate to say it, but our def. has been aweful since mattison took over last year. He is a second year coordinator from the college game. His schemes were bad last year and even worse this year. We are not used to giving up leads like we have this year. I really hope they make a change at the end of the year. It is just sickening to watch our heritage of def excellence go down the drain in this fashion. The owner and the head coach have to realize by now, THIS IS NOT ACCEPTIBLE !! I said it last year, and it is a bigger problem this year. Not to have safety help over on Whites side was just retarded. This will only get worse as time goes on and we need to address it in the off season. At Florida Mattison could just line up his men straight up and beat his opponents, but in the Nfl you cant do that. All teams have talent so schemes become the difference between a number 1 def and a run of the mill def, ( which is what we are right now ). I really hate losing that way.

[flynismo]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1289543713' post='538049']<br />One thing I do know , Mattison doesn't bring that right scheme and many on here will agree with me.<br />[/quote]


So in other words, you don't know what the right scheme is?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ace raven' timestamp='1289545789' post='538120']
Look, I really hate to say it, but our def. has been aweful since mattison took over last year. He is a second year coordinator from the college game. His schemes were bad last year and even worse this year. We are not used to giving up leads like we have this year. I really hope they make a change at the end of the year. It is just sickening to watch our heritage of def excellence go down the drain in this fashion. The owner and the head coach have to realize by now, THIS IS NOT ACCEPTIBLE !! I said it last year, and it is a bigger problem this year. [b]Not to have safety help over on Whites side was just retarded.[/b] This will only get worse as time goes on and we need to address it in the off season. At Florida Mattison could just line up his men straight up and beat his opponents, but in the Nfl you cant do that. [b]All teams have talent so schemes become the difference between a number 1 def and a run of the mill def, ( which is what we are right now ).[/b] I really hate losing that way.
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But some teams have more talent than others and no one can tell me the talent on this D is at the level we've grown accustomed to.

There hasn't been single great coach since the time football was created that didn't great players playing for him.

Why is the Ravens' offense today better than the ones we saw under Boller? The players are better.

EDIT: To your point about no safety help on the game-winning play, Ed was covering Gonzo on that play and I'm pretty sure Landry was near the line of scrimmage in case of a run.

[BloodRaven]

We shored up the run defense against a good run unit and besides a few bogus calls and missed penalties our D is getting better. Our offense handing the ball over to Ryan for the first half didnt help either, defenses get tired defending 50+ passes.

[flynismo]

[quote name='ace raven' timestamp='1289545789' post='538120']<br />Look, I really hate to say it, but our def. has been aweful since mattison took over last year.  He is a second year coordinator from the college game.  His schemes were bad last year and even worse this year.  We are not used to giving up leads like we have this year. I really hope they make a change at the end of the year.  It is just sickening to watch our heritage of def excellence go down the drain in this fashion.  The owner and the head coach have to realize by now, THIS IS NOT ACCEPTIBLE !! I said it last year, and it is a bigger problem this year. Not to have safety help over on Whites side was just retarded. This will only get worse as time goes on and we need to address it in the off season.  At Florida Mattison could just line up his men straight up and beat his opponents, but in the Nfl you cant do that. All teams have talent so schemes become the difference between a number 1 def and a run of the mill def, ( which is what we are right now ).  I really hate losing that way.<br />[/quote]


I'm sorry to say this, but you are way off base in everything you said. We were third overall last year. How has our defense been bad 'ever since Mattison came'? Did you watch our games agaisnt PITT and Tennessee in 2008 under Ryan? Heart wrenching losses, no?
And speaking of talent, as I said in another thread, Mattison does not have the personnel that his predecessors did.

Anything else?

[rlh445]

Actually fielding an argument that has four of our defensive guys covering two offensive players and simultaneously complaining about a three man rush is just..*facepalm*. As far as I'm concerned the argument stops there. Hey fans, we can't have it both ways. Either we have good enough talent to do 'more' in regards to running more Rex Ryan like schemes and trust our defensive players to be able to play some man coverage (after all, there are only 11 players on the field) or we realize our guys on the back end minus Reed just don't have that type of talent and we double down on threats and leave only three guys to rush sometimes. That's it. Trying to argue for both of those scenarios at the same time is like trying to ice skate uphill.

[FabFox3124]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1289543713' post='538049']
One thing I do know , Mattison doesn't bring that right scheme and many on here will agree with me.
[/quote]

well i havent been on here in a very long time and finally back!!

MATTISON is just horrible in every describable way possible that u could think of, im sorry but its the truth, our defense just stands still, theres no more chaos, no more moving around before the ball is snapped, WE ARE SO PREDICTABLE BECAUSE Y???? Mattison and his awlful schemes and being so vanilla, most of our guys which we still have from rex ryan are the same freakin players who were meant in a scheme like his.. not this vanilla, we have players who are competitive and want to be aggressive.. that endzone play to roddy white, i saw it coming all day long, and there wasnt a corner in site.

THINGS U THINK WOULD CHANCE BUT DONT..

we need to bump and run, and of couse mattison puts them back 10 yards and lets them get slant passes..

only pressure is from suggs, how pathetic is that!! if ryan was here, there would be pressure from every1, i know hes not here but seriously when is harbs gonna step up to the plate and say something to the man. its that time,
and i put fault on mattison along with harbaugh for the struggles we have had this year

gameplanning is awful, we had 2 weeks to prepare for this mediocore team, yes mediocore..

i said this many times,over and over.. if u would just bump and run, and blanket white.ryan has to look at other targets.. if we would stop doing prevent defense all game long i think it might be different

and my gosh dont get me started on cam camerons play calling in the 1st half.. only times he ever impresses me is in the 4th quarter, and yup when were trailing..

i love my ravens to the day i die, but things need to change. were a super bowl team with the right players, not the right coaching!! and many would agree with this statement..

remember were not gonna win it all. but how often are we always trailing week in and week out. then have to play catch up, the gameplanning once again is awlful, and sometimes everyday i still think what it would be like if ryan was here as headcoach... yea sometimes goof off but thats what develops relationships and trust!!!

i love the ravens and always will love rex ryan!!! and he will be missed by me everyday thinking about organized chaos!!

[flynismo]

[quote name='FabFox3124' timestamp='1289547022' post='538135']
well i havent been on here in a very long time and finally back!!

MATTISON is just horrible in every describable way possible that u could think of, im sorry but its the truth, our defense just stands still, theres no more chaos, no more moving around before the ball is snapped, WE ARE SO PREDICTABLE BECAUSE Y???? Mattison and his awlful schemes and being so vanilla, most of our guys which we still have from rex ryan are the same freakin players who were meant in a scheme like his.. not this vanilla, we have players who are competitive and want to be aggressive.. [b]that endzone play to roddy white, i saw it coming all day long, and there wasnt a corner in site.[/b]

THINGS U THINK WOULD CHANCE BUT DONT..

[b]we need to bump and run, and of couse mattison puts them back 10 yards and lets them get slant passes..[/b]

only pressure is from suggs, how pathetic is that!! if ryan was here, there would be pressure from every1, i know hes not here but seriously when is harbs gonna step up to the plate and say something to the man. its that time,
and i put fault on mattison along with harbaugh for the struggles we have had this year

gameplanning is awful, [b]we had 2 weeks to prepare for this mediocore team, yes mediocore..
[/b]
i said this many times,over and over..[b] if u would just bump and run,[/b] and[/quote]


There was no corner in sight because White threw Wilson to the ground 15 yards downfield, and no flag.
Who are we going to play press coverage with?? Carr? Webb? Fabian? Wilson? That's ludicrous. We may as well have those guys BLOCK for White and save everyone the trouble. Forget about 'bump and run' with these DBs.

And a 7-2 team is hardly mediocre.

[Ed_Reed20]

Negging me doesn't make my points any less valid.

[wayne]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1289545908' post='538122']
So in other words, you don't know what the right scheme is?
[/quote]
Nothing is absolute , c'mon man,LOL. I know Mattison scheme of just rushing your front 4 with the personnel we have won't work. I would say more of the schemes the Saints, Jets, and Steelers run, is that good enough answer for you and Mr. EdReed? Also, we do criticize him for just rushing 3 to 4 players a game but why on earth in a situation like we had at the end with Suggs coming fresh off a sack and a few plays after got pressure so good that Matt threw the ball towards the ground for an incompletion would you send jail break blitzes? Atleast mix the jail break blitzes with the 3 to 4 man rushing fronts up through the course of the game to try and get the opposition offense out of rythm. Like plenty of people have stated on here, just don't go hot or cold throughout the game, the goal should be using the warm ( balance ). Give them the underneath stuff or the middle of the field , atleast the clock will stay running and it will make them use that last timeout.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1289547613' post='538148']
Nothing is absolute , c'mon man,LOL. I know Mattison scheme of just rushing your front 4 with the personnel we have won't work. I would say more of the schemes the Saints, Jets, and Steelers run, is that good enough answer for you and Mr. EdReed? Also, we do criticize him for just rushing 3 to 4 players a game but why on earth in a situation like we had at the end with Suggs coming fresh off a sack and a few plays after got pressure so good that Matt threw the ball towards the ground for an incompletion would you send jail break blitzes? Atleast mix the jail break blitzes with the 3 to 4 man rushing fronts up through the course of the game to try and get the opposition offense out of rythm. Like plenty of people have stated on here, just don't go hot or cold throughout the game, the goal should be using the warm ( balance ). Give them the underneath stuff or the middle of the field , atleast the clock will stay running and it will make them use that last timeout.
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But if the jail-beak blitzes had worked, wouldn't you have praised Mattison? Like I've said, a coach never calls a play to fail. They call plays expecting players to execute. More often than not tonight, the Ravens didn't do that.

[rlh445]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1289547613' post='538148']
Nothing is absolute , c'mon man,LOL. I know Mattison scheme of just rushing your front 4 with the personnel we have won't work. I would say more of the schemes the Saints, Jets, and Steelers run, is that good enough answer for you and Mr. EdReed? Also, we do criticize him for just rushing 3 to 4 players a game but why on earth in a situation like we had at the end with Suggs coming fresh off a sack and a few plays after got pressure so good that Matt threw the ball towards the ground for an incompletion would you send jail break blitzes? Atleast mix the jail break blitzes with the 3 to 4 man rushing fronts up through the course of the game to try and get the opposition offense out of rythm. Like plenty of people have stated on here, just don't go hot or cold throughout the game, the goal should be using the warm ( balance ). Give them the underneath stuff or the middle of the field , atleast the clock will stay running and it will make them use that last timeout.
[/quote]

If 'rushing your front 4' is all you get out of Mattison's schemes, it's probably a good idea if you decide to refrain from sending him emails on how you would scheme a defense for the Falcons. Why would you send jail break blitzes? I dunno, maybe to get to the quarterback like we'd had some success doing earlier? To disrupt Matt Ryan from being able to complete passes? It's like you people can't be satiated. Mattison rushes three, you complain. He blitzes at an appropriate time, you complain. Just admit that you're not really mad at the plays being drawn up, but the players of both teams for it not working out the way you wanted and be done with it.

[wayne]

[quote name='FabFox3124' timestamp='1289547022' post='538135']
well i havent been on here in a very long time and finally back!!

MATTISON is just horrible in every describable way possible that u could think of, im sorry but its the truth, our defense just stands still, theres no more chaos, no more moving around before the ball is snapped, WE ARE SO PREDICTABLE BECAUSE Y???? Mattison and his awlful schemes and being so vanilla, most of our guys which we still have from rex ryan are the same freakin players who were meant in a scheme like his.. not this vanilla, we have players who are competitive and want to be aggressive.. that endzone play to roddy white, i saw it coming all day long, and there wasnt a corner in site.

THINGS U THINK WOULD CHANCE BUT DONT..

we need to bump and run, and of couse mattison puts them back 10 yards and lets them get slant passes..

only pressure is from suggs, how pathetic is that!! if ryan was here, there would be pressure from every1, i know hes not here but seriously when is harbs gonna step up to the plate and say something to the man. its that time,
and i put fault on mattison along with harbaugh for the struggles we have had this year

gameplanning is awful, we had 2 weeks to prepare for this mediocore team, yes mediocore..

i said this many times,over and over.. if u would just bump and run, and blanket white.ryan has to look at other targets.. if we would stop doing prevent defense all game long i think it might be different

and my gosh dont get me started on cam camerons play calling in the 1st half.. only times he ever impresses me is in the 4th quarter, and yup when were trailing..

i love my ravens to the day i die, but things need to change. were a super bowl team with the right players, not the right coaching!! and many would agree with this statement..

remember were not gonna win it all. but how often are we always trailing week in and week out. then have to play catch up, the gameplanning once again is awlful, and sometimes everyday i still think what it would be like if ryan was here as headcoach... yea sometimes goof off but thats what develops relationships and trust!!!

i love the ravens and always will love rex ryan!!! and he will be missed by me everyday thinking about organized chaos!!
[/quote]
This thread summed up pretty much everything , we have the personnel to run schemes like the Jets, Steelers , and Saints but we don't have the Coordinator to draw up the schemes to match. Wasnt Mattison suppose to be Rex understudy?

[rlh445]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1289547983' post='538156']
This thread summed up pretty much everything , we have the personnel to run schemes like the Jets, Steelers , and Saints but we don't have the Coordinator to draw up the schemes to match. Wasnt Mattison suppose to be Rex understudy?
[/quote]

See, this is what people are just glossing over and being plain wrong about. I mean you're like Willy Wonka, getting things mixed up..'No scratch that, reverse it,'. We have adequate schemes, but we don't have the personnel. We DON'T have the personnel to run schemes like the Jets or Steelers. PERIOD. Give us Larry Foote, James Harrison, Polamalu, James Farrior, and I'll show you a few 'vanilla' Mattison plays that make him look like a genious. Give me Revis as a corner and I'm sure all this pointless whining would have never existed. We don't have any of those guys, and those talented players are a big part of the reason why they're doing so well defensively. And yet, even though we don't have NEAR as many solid guys playing solid football on the defensive side of the ball, we're still very competitive.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1289547983' post='538156']
This thread summed up pretty much everything , we have the personnel to run schemes like the Jets, Steelers , and Saints but we don't have the Coordinator to draw up the schemes to match. Wasnt Mattison suppose to be Rex understudy?
[/quote]

It "summed it up" because you agree with it.

I don't think the personnel is that good and the team surrendering a lead in the 4th quarter three games out of four backs that theory up.

Simply looking at the drafts the last few years is also proof enough. How many impact defenders have the Ravens drafted since Harbaugh took over, or even since '06? Webb's rookie year is the closest thing to an impact rookie defender we've seen. Another guy who I though could have made an early immediate impact was Kindle and he fell down a flight of stairs.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1289548588' post='538164']
Do you cats even look at the games or you just want to argue for the sake of arguing . IT SEEMS AS IF HE DOES THINGS AT THE WRONG TIME AS WAS EVIDENT BY THIS GAME AND HES CONSISTENT AT IT. NO, WE DONT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH HIM JUST RUSHING 3 OR 4 BUT MIX IT UP MORE WITH THE JAILBREAK BLITZES THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE GAME, NOT JUST AT THE END WHERE MOST FEEL IN THE THREADS THAT HE SURELY SHOULD HAVE STUCK WITH HIS TRADITIONAL RUSHING 3 TO 4 PLAYERS. MATTISON STYLE IMO AND MOST ON HERE DOESNT UTILIZE THE RAVENS D TO THE FULLEST WHICH IS THE ULTIMATE GOAL. I remember Ngata speaking out against how Mattison schemes so its just not us that feel this way. You and the few thats defending Mattison is the minority , YALL ARE THE MINORITY FOR A REASON, ITS NOT A COIENCEDENCE!
[/quote]

He does the "wrong things at the wrong time"? LOL! You do realize there are 11 guys on the other side of the field paid to score right? It's easy to play armchair QB and say what should have been called after a play has failed but NFL coaches don't have that luxury.

People being in the minority in a subjective argument means nothing dude. There was a time when the people who thought the world round were in the minority.

I'm not saying I'm without question right in this argument but to say the Ravens have the personnel to be a dominant D is ludicrous as the statistics, key plays and recent draft history all say different.

[wayne]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1289548314' post='538159']
See, this is what people are just glossing over and being plain wrong about. I mean you're like Willy Wonka, getting things mixed up..'No scratch that, reverse it,'. We have adequate schemes, but we don't have the personnel. We DON'T have the personnel to run schemes like the Jets or Steelers. PERIOD. Give us Larry Foote, James Harrison, Polamalu, James Farrior, and I'll show you a few 'vanilla' Mattison plays that make him look like a genious. Give me Revis as a corner and I'm sure all this pointless whining would have never existed. We don't have any of those guys, and those talented players are a big part of the reason why they're doing so well defensively. And yet, even though we don't have NEAR as many solid guys playing solid football on the defensive side of the ball, we're still very competitive.
[/quote]
How in the world we don't have the personnel to run those schemes , yet, we still have over 90% of the team we had when Rex was here? Seems like you are Willy Wonka with getting things mixed up. Also, alot of the guys thats taken care of business on the Steelers were low round projects , you care to look into their team and post them so using the " Who the Ravens drafted lately " excuse is dead. " Again, you are the minority for a reason ,LOL.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1289548953' post='538169']
How in the world we don't have the personnel to run those schemes , yet, we still have over 90% of the team we had when Rex was here? Seems like you are Willy Wonka with getting things mixed up. Also, alot of the guys thats taken care of business on the Steelers were low round projects , you care to look into their team and post them so using the " Who the Ravens drafted lately " excuse is dead. " Again, you are the minority for a reason ,LOL.
[/quote]

What are you talking about? 90% of the D that Mattison coached [b]IS NOT[/b] still here. That's a stone cold lie my friend. And even with the guys that were coached by Rex, the only players who have improved since then are Ngata and Suggs. Ray has declined physically, Gregg has declined and Ed has been battling injuries.

To your point about the Steelers, that's another lie. Hampton, Polamalu, Woodley, Timmons, Farrior and Hood were all first round picks.

EDIT: Woodley was drafted in round 2.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1289549185' post='538171']
You win a cookie, I see I'm the only idiot left debating with you. Mattison is a great D-Coordinator, you happy now? I'm done with this thread, people always want to go against the grain for attention purposes.
[/quote]

You can't prove your point so you result to childish remarks...pathetic.

[wayne]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1289549230' post='538172']
What are you talking about? 90% of the D that Mattison coached [b]IS NOT[/b] still here. That's a stone cold lie my friend. And even with the guys that were coached by Rex, the only players who have improved since then are Ngata and Suggs. Ray has declined physically, Gregg has declined and Ed has been battling injuries.

To your point about the Steelers, that's another lie. Hampton, Polamalu, Woodley, Timmons, Farrior and Hood were all first round picks.
[/quote]
Can you name the different players on the team since Rex left, I could be a few points too high on the percentage smart guy. Also, those are 6 players you named which doesnt make up the majority of the players on their D so my argument stands correct, I neva said they didn't have any 1st round picks smart guy . Ravens have their fair share of 1st rounders too and the guy on their D that won DPOY, what was he smart guy?

[flynismo]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1289548588' post='538164']YALL ARE THE MINORITY FOR A REASON, ITS NOT A COIENCEDENCE!<br />[/quote]


Finally, we agree! We are in the minority because a lot of people here whine for the sake of whining, without any facts to back it up with. And frankly, the reasons you guys give for bashing Mattison make no sense at all. Many people complain (not just the guy a few posts above) that we need to play PRESS COVERAGE. Or they complain that we don't blitz enough, or aggresively enough, yet when Mattison sends five or six men in, our players rarely execute on the rush leaving recievers wide open, then people complain that our CB's should have had help. Or people complain that Mattison doesn't make adjustments, when all you have to do is watch the damn game and see for yourself that he does indeed make CONSTANT adjustments. Us Mattison supporters tell you guys time and time again that our personnel is, at best, average, and no where near what Ryan had, and a lot of you either completely dismiss that fact or even try to argue against it.
I mean I could go on and on about the general lack of knowledge that some people display, but I won't go there. We try to give you a chance to show how right you are by asking what YOU would do, since you don't like Matty's scheme, and all we get is a vague response like 'something like the Saints or Steelers do'.

I'm not trying to change your or anyone else's opinion, but I'm sorry, the reasoning behind these claims are so vague and subjective, they lack substance, and often are simply just a lack of understanding of football.

[wayne]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1289549301' post='538175']
You can't prove your point so you result to childish remarks...pathetic.
[/quote]
Right now [b]<offensive content removed> [/b]couldn't prove a point to you so that statement you made is irrelevant . Childish remarks B/c the truth hurts, how clever to try and flip and twist the subject at hand. Also, you the one have to prove a point, not me, I'm majority ,LOL!

[flynismo]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1289549822' post='538182'] Also, you the one have to prove a point, not me, I'm majority ,LOL!<br />[/quote]

Actually, in the real world, the burden of proof lies on the one making the claim. You're claiming Matty sucks, ball is in your court to prove it.

[noy]

But when we do blitz, it doesn't look [i]anything [/i]like the Ravens of old. Everybody is standing in the same spot, showing one fake step or maybe two. It has nowhere near the feel of not knowing who's blitzing, and if we can see that from up top then I think the QB is going to have an easier time deciphering our defense. I started watching the Ravens in 2006, which was a fantastic year to start. Everyone was moving, people were standing up, moving left to right, back and forward. It was crazy, seeing how many QBs had to call a timeout because they had no idea what the hell was going on.

What do I see now? A vanilla defense, "four man rush" defense, and when they do blitz, there is no inconsistency, no surprise factor. You cannot tell me that these types of characteristics require a special "skill" that our old players had. That's crap. Some of our players may be average, but not giving them help by teaching them the art of "chaos" is plain wrong. It's what the defense has been known for, and Mattison has let that pride and distinguished attitude follow Rex to New York. As of right now, this very moment, the "Ravens" style of defense is in New York and nowhere else. Yeah they have better players, but I'm mad that Mattison isn't even trying it. He's brought this college disciplinary defense to Baltimore, and I ****** hate it.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1289549588' post='538178']
Can you name the different players on the team since Rex left, I could be a few points too high on the percentage smart guy. Also, those are 6 players you named which doesnt make up the majority of the players on their D so my argument stands correct, I neva said they didn't have any 1st round picks smart guy . Ravens have their fair share of 1st rounders too and the guy on their D that won DPOY, what was he smart guy?
[/quote]

Here's some [i]key[/i] players that have left since Rex left: Adalius Thomas, Bart Scott, Trevor Pryce, Chris McAlister and Samari Rolle. Can you honestly say the players playing their positions right now are as good those guys were from 2006-08? You can't.

If you were a few points too high on the percentage, why'd you write it down "smart guy"? 6 divided by 11 is 54.5% percent "smart guy". [size="5"][b]That is the majority[/b][/size]. And let me throw in another Steelers defender who wasn't a "project", Ike Taylor. So that's 7 players out of 11. Yeah...I'd say that's the [b]majority of their defense[/b].

The Ravens have four first rounders on their D but unlike the Steelers, the rest of their D is full of average players right now. Would you take Gregg, Redding and McKinney over Keisel, Smith and Hood? I don't think so? Would you take J.J. over Woodley? Nope.

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1289549822' post='538182']
Right now Jesus Christ couldn't prove a point to you so that statement you made is irrelevant . Childish remarks B/c the truth hurts, how clever to try and flip and twist the subject at hand. Also, you the one have to prove a point, not me, I'm majority ,LOL!
[/quote]

How can the truth hurt when it's a [b]lie[/b]? It doesn't matter though, you're in the [i]majority[/i], so you must be right.

[wayne]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1289549642' post='538179']
Finally, we agree! We are in the minority because a lot of people here whine for the sake of whining, without any facts to back it up with. And frankly, the reasons you guys give for bashing Mattison make no sense at all. Many people complain (not just the guy a few posts above) that we need to play PRESS COVERAGE. Or they complain that we don't blitz enough, or aggresively enough, yet when Mattison sends five or six men in, our players rarely execute on the rush leaving recievers wide open, then people complain that our CB's should have had help. Or people complain that Mattison doesn't make adjustments, when all you have to do is watch the damn game and see for yourself that he does indeed make CONSTANT adjustments. Us Mattison supporters tell you guys time and time again that our personnel is, at best, average, and no where near what Ryan had, and a lot of you either completely dismiss that fact or even try to argue against it.
I mean I could go on and on about the general lack of knowledge that some people display, but I won't go there. We try to give you a chance to show how right you are by asking what YOU would do, since you don't like Matty's scheme, and all we get is a vague response like 'something like the Saints or Steelers do'.

I'm not trying to change your or anyone else's opinion, but I'm sorry, the reasoning behind these claims are so vague and subjective, they lack substance, and often are simply just a lack of understanding of football.
[/quote]
These forums are for the sole purpose of complaining when your team fails and glorifying them when they succeed just like in the real world. To say that we aren't making good enough claims against why we feel Mattison is not the right Coordinator for the job is just flat out crazy, to hell with what we say, just watch the games on Sunday, the proof is in the pudding. There was a statistic today that said its the most 90+ yds drives we have ever gave up in a season ( 4 if I'm not mistaken ). Also, I think this the worst the Ravens run D ever been in franchise history statistical wise, coincidence ? Also, answer that question smart guy , how many players are here that was here when Rex was here so I can kill that argument that we don't have the personnel to run those type of schemes, I'm waiting.......................

[wayne]

[quote name='noy' timestamp='1289550248' post='538187']
But when we do blitz, it doesn't look [i]anything [/i]like the Ravens of old. Everybody is standing in the same spot, showing one fake step or maybe two. It has nowhere near the feel of not knowing who's blitzing, and if we can see that from up top then I think the QB is going to have an easier time deciphering our defense. I started watching the Ravens in 2006, which was a fantastic year to start. Everyone was moving, people were standing up, moving left to right, back and forward. It was crazy, seeing how many QBs had to call a timeout because they had no idea what the hell was going on.

What do I see now? A vanilla defense, "four man rush" defense, and when they do blitz, there is no inconsistency, no surprise factor. You cannot tell me that these types of characteristics require a special "skill" that our old players had. That's crap. Some of our players may be average, but not giving them help by teaching them the art of "chaos" is plain wrong. It's what the defense has been known for, and Mattison has let that pride and distinguished attitude follow Rex to New York. As of right now, this very moment, the "Ravens" style of defense is in New York and nowhere else. Yeah they have better players, but I'm mad that Mattison isn't even trying it. He's brought this college disciplinary defense to Baltimore, and I ****** hate it.
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Bump......Bump!

[wayne]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1289550386' post='538189']
Here's some [i]key[/i] players that have left since Rex left: Adalius Thomas, Bart Scott, Trevor Pryce, Chris McAlister and Samari Rolle. Can you honestly say the players playing their positions right now are as good those guys were from 2006-08? You can't.

If you were a few points too high on the percentage, why'd you write it down "smart guy"? 6 divided by 11 is 54.5% percent "smart guy". [size="5"][b]That is the majority[/b][/size]. And let me throw in another Steelers defender who wasn't a "project", Ike Taylor. So that's 7 players out of 11. Yeah...I'd say that's the [b]majority of their defense[/b].

The Ravens have four first rounders on their D but unlike the Steelers, the rest of their D is full of average players right now. Would you take Gregg, Redding and McKinney over Keisel, Smith and Hood? I don't think so? Would you take J.J. over Woodley? Nope.



How can the truth hurt when it's a [b]lie[/b]? It doesn't matter though, you're in the [i]majority[/i], so you must be right.
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Talking bout the last year Rex was here running his scheme to success ( 08 ) so X out Adalious and Chris so that leaves Bart, Pryce, and Samari ( he was hurt for half the season , right ) so 3 people gone and we can't run that scheme anymore, ok, Im Willy Wonka,LOL.

[wayne]

[quote name='noy' timestamp='1289550248' post='538187']
But when we do blitz, it doesn't look [i]anything [/i]like the Ravens of old. Everybody is standing in the same spot, showing one fake step or maybe two. It has nowhere near the feel of not knowing who's blitzing, and if we can see that from up top then I think the QB is going to have an easier time deciphering our defense. I started watching the Ravens in 2006, which was a fantastic year to start. Everyone was moving, people were standing up, moving left to right, back and forward. It was crazy, seeing how many QBs had to call a timeout because they had no idea what the hell was going on.

What do I see now? A vanilla defense, "four man rush" defense, and when they do blitz, there is no inconsistency, no surprise factor. You cannot tell me that these types of characteristics require a special "skill" that our old players had. That's crap. Some of our players may be average, but not giving them help by teaching them the art of "chaos" is plain wrong. It's what the defense has been known for, and Mattison has let that pride and distinguished attitude follow Rex to New York. As of right now, this very moment, the "Ravens" style of defense is in New York and nowhere else. Yeah they have better players, but I'm mad that Mattison isn't even trying it. He's brought this college disciplinary defense to Baltimore, and I ****** hate it.
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Bump......Bump , truck coming through with most on it, waiting for a few more to join the ride.........

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1289550836' post='538194']
Talking bout the last year Rex was here running his scheme to success ( 08 ) so X out Adalious and Chris so that leaves Bart, Pryce, and Samari ( he was hurt for half the season , right ) so 3 people gone and we can't run that scheme anymore, ok, Im Willy Wonka,LOL.
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Bart was playing better football than McClain, Ellerbe and Gooden in '08. Pryce was still getting pressure, unlike Redding and the other d-lineman on the team right now. Samari played in 10 games that year but played better football than any CB has this season. In addition, less heralded players like Edwards and Bannan have also left and most importantly guys like Ray, J.J. and Ed have aged/dealt with injuries.

Like I said before, since Rex left, what position has seen the starter either improve as a player or been upgraded? Ngata has developed into a top defensive player in this league and Suggs, while he's played well this year, was overweight and not explosive at all last year. Those two aside, no position has gotten better whether it be because of injury or simply age.

And as great as Rex's schemes were in '08, they got throttled by the Colts(hasn't happened to Mattison) and the Giants ran for like 300 yards against them(we've seen that happen to the Ravens more and more due to the reasons I stated before).