MERGED: Mattison Complaint Threads

[wayne]

Besides the obvious cheating by the refs ( Atlanta got like 1-2 penalties the whole game , yea right ),one main one being the bobbled catch by Jenkins on the sideline, Mattison seems backwards with his play calling. When I was just praying Mattison would dial up more blitzes through the course of the game, at the end of the game where we should have been doing his usual vanilla rush- your- front -3 or 4 players, out comes the jailbreak blitzes, you are a real genius Greg Mattison . I will give you that our Cbs are playing terrible giving the WRs more space than they ever should but c'mon man, in those situations, keep doing what you are famous for.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1289539115' post='537730']
Besides the obvious cheating by the refs ( Atlanta got like 1-2 penalties the whole game , yea right ),one main one being the bobbled catch by Jenkins on the sideline, Mattison seems backwards with his play calling. When I was just praying Mattison would dial up more blitzes through the course of the game, at the end of the game where we should have been doing his usual vanilla rush- your- front -3 or 4 players, out comes the jailbreak blitzes, you are a real genius Greg Mattison . I will give you that our Cbs are playing terrible giving the WRs more space than they ever should but c'mon man, in those situations, keep doing what you are famous for.
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I agree about most of what you said except the part about the end of the game and Mattison's jailbreak blitzes. We had no choice at that point. They were already in long FG range. Our only chance was to get a negative play to push them back. Otherwise you are right.

[ravensfan160]

I keep thinking back to the Saints/Steelers game last week where the Saints had one health CB the entire game. They were playing with a bunch of safeties in the secondary and not only did they keep bringing the heat but they held up in coverage as well. It just makes me sick that they can do what they did to Ben and we lay an egg like we did tonight.

That game proves the point that scheme by a defensive coordinator can make up for a lack of talent. Therefore, I am finally on the fire Mattison bandwagon.

[Trilogique]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1289539259' post='537747']
I agree about most of what you said except the part about the end of the game and Mattison's jailbreak blitzes. We had no choice at that point. They were already in long FG range. Our only chance was to get a negative play to push them back. Otherwise you are right.
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not necessarily. Suggs got a sack with 3 people rushing, didn't he?

blitzing at the end was super, super dumb IMO. Wilson got torched on that last play because of it. but hey that's why I'm not a defensive coordinator.

[noy]

I guess he has his reasons for not blitzing early on their last drive...

But Steelers fans are thanking him already. I checked. I'm just......at a loss.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='Trilogique' timestamp='1289539608' post='537783']
not necessarily. Suggs got a sack with 3 people rushing, didn't he?

blitzing at the end was super, super dumb IMO. Wilson got torched on that last play because of it. but hey that's why I'm not a defensive coordinator.
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They you will probably be the only person on this forum wanting Mattison to rush only 3 MORE often.

[RoflDogs]

His blitzes are obvious as **** too.

They only have the A Gap blitz, and the overload blitz to one side. They show it super early too, so its really easy for the QBs to audible out of the play

And it always bugs me when I see our CBs playing 13 yards off the man on like 3rd and 5...

He needs to go

[Trilogique]

sorry, I was mixing up plays. I forgot that was an OPI on White. scratch what I said about getting torched.

and no not really, I just don't think a blitz like that was a smart move, especially with how obvious Mattison's blitzes are. it might have been if we got the OPI

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='RoflDogs' timestamp='1289539828' post='537803']
His blitzes are obvious as **** too.

They only have the A Gap blitz, and the overload blitz to one side. They show it super early too, so its really easy for the QBs to audible out of the play

And it always bugs me when I see our CBs playing 13 yards off the man on like 3rd and 5...

He needs to go
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I agree. I thought I hated Rex Ryan for blitzing too much but now I hate Mattison for being too conservative. Can't we find a coordinator who just has a feel for when is the right time to blitz and when is the right time to send 4? Does it really have to be all out aggressive or all our conservative? All things considered I'd rather go down swinging.

[wayne]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1289539445' post='537771']
I keep thinking back to the Saints/Steelers game last week where the Saints had one health CB the entire game. They were playing with a bunch of safeties in the secondary and not only did they keep bringing the heat but they held up in coverage as well. It just makes me sick that they can do what they did to Ben and we lay an egg like we did tonight.

[b]That game proves the point that scheme by a defensive coordinator can make up for a lack of talent. [/b]Therefore, I am finally on the fire Mattison bandwagon.
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^^^^^^We have a winner !!!!!!!!! Mattison doesn't give this D the best chance to be all they can be. Also, for the person that says they were already in field goal range and thats why we had to start blitzn in desperation , NO! The play after the BS non-catch by Jenkins was when we first sent the house and the Falcons was atleast 15 yds out of field goal range . Even with that completion , it still would have been a long field goal to make and with how field goal kickers are missing kicks these days..........................

[Alexir]

I have no idea why half the posters here support Mattison. He has not impressed me at all last year and especially not this year. If Ray retires anytime soon we become the Colts D...minus their awesome pass rush

[JO_75]

I'm telling you guys our defense will be better once Mattison is gone. Come next year when Mattison is not our DC and our defense is # 1, I will have said I told you so!

[Shammy]

[quote name='Trilogique' timestamp='1289539608' post='537783']
not necessarily. Suggs got a sack with 3 people rushing, didn't he?

blitzing at the end was super, super dumb IMO. Wilson got torched on that last play because of it. but hey that's why I'm not a defensive coordinator.
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your exactly right imo we shoulda played more conservative ... it seems cam cameron and matt mattison do the opposite of what they need to do at the time of when they should do it

[wayne]

[quote name='RoflDogs' timestamp='1289539828' post='537803']
His blitzes are obvious as **** too.

They only have the A Gap blitz, and the overload blitz to one side. They show it super early too, so its really easy for the QBs to audible out of the play

And it always bugs me when I see our CBs playing 13 yards off the man on like 3rd and 5...

He needs to go
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His blitzes are too obvious . As pointed out by someone before , we show too early.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1289540262' post='537842']
I have no idea why half the posters here support Mattison. He has not impressed me at all last year and especially not this year. If Ray retires anytime soon we become the Colts D...minus their awesome pass rush
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Again dude, how exactly is it Mattison's fault Josh Wilson decides to take a WR instead of staying in his zone and Landry's misses a tackle or Tavares Gooden jumps on someone's back or Ed can't close fast enough.

[b]Players play the game[/b].

I three man pass rush irks me to no end too but is that the only reason the Ravens have struggled on D at times this year?

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1289540638' post='537878']
Again dude, how exactly is it Mattison's fault Josh Wilson decides to take a WR instead of staying in his zone and Landry's misses a tackle or Tavares Gooden jumps on someone's back or Ed can't close fast enough.

[b]Players play the game[/b].

I three man pass rush irks me to no end too but is that the only reason the Ravens have struggled on D at times this year?
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I thought T Good played good D there but it was probably too close. What good has he done? You wanna give him credit when our D succeeds but isn't that just the players as well? I think he can't coach a 3-4 defense. Period. Let's either switch coordinators or the system.

I mean we have had more missed tackles since Rex left but whatever, I guess both the players and him are to blame for that. And the lack of turnovers. And the poor pass rush opposite of Suggs. And Landry's slouch play as well. It really is probably both parties but if Rex, Nolan or Lewis were coaching this group of guys, I think our Defense would be playing better. Period.

[flynismo]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1289539445' post='537771']<br />I keep thinking back to the Saints/Steelers game last week where the Saints had one health CB the entire game. They were playing with a bunch of safeties in the secondary and not only did they keep bringing the heat but they held up in coverage as well. It just makes me sick that they can do what they did to Ben and we lay an egg like we did tonight.<br /><br />That game proves the point that scheme by a defensive coordinator can make up for a lack of talent. Therefore, I am finally on the fire Mattison bandwagon.<br />[/quote]

That game proved nothing.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1289541071' post='537909']
I thought T Good played good D there but it was probably too close. What good has he done? You wanna give him credit when our D succeeds but isn't that just the players as well? I think he can't coach a 3-4 defense. Period. Let's either switch coordinators or the system.

I mean we have had more missed tackles since Rex left but whatever, I guess both the players and him are to blame for that. And the lack of turnovers. And the poor pass rush opposite of Suggs. And Landry's slouch play as well. It really is probably both parties but if Rex, Nolan or Lewis were coaching this group of guys, I think our Defense would be playing better. Period.
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Wait, what? Gooden has barely been on the field and not done much, when he has seen the field.

I'll credit the D when they play well because players executed.

You're entitled to your opinions about Mattison not being able to coach a 3-4 but let's look at a successful 3-4 like the Steelers or Packers. To man, how many Ravens players are better than their counterparts on those teams. You can obviously make a case for Suggs, Ray and Ngata. Those three aside, the Ravens have a bunch of average players at the other positions.

I disagree that Rex, Nolan or Lewis would be faring much better with this group but again, you're entitled to your opinions.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1289541253' post='537922']
That game proved nothing.
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Do you care to elaborate because to me that game was a fine example of defensive coaching.

[wayne]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1289540638' post='537878']
Again dude, how exactly is it Mattison's fault Josh Wilson decides to take a WR instead of staying in his zone and Landry's misses a tackle or Tavares Gooden jumps on someone's back or Ed can't close fast enough.

[b]Players play the game[/b].

I three man pass rush irks me to no end too but is that the only reason the Ravens have struggled on D at times this year?
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Are you even serious?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1289541629' post='537947']
Are you even serious?
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I am serious. What, am I not entitled to my opinions? You really think after a game like tonight, the defense's problem are as cut and dry as Mattison's schemes? Pleas...

Missed tackles, blown coverages, simply getting beat and a non-existent pass rush save for one player are on the players.

[wayne]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1289541757' post='537954']
I am serious. What, am I not entitled to my opinions? You really think after a game like tonight, the defense's problem are as cut and dry as Mattison's schemes? Pleas...

Missed tackles, blown coverages, simply getting beat and a non-existent pass rush save for one player are on the players.
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Every team has missed tackles and blown coverages, doesn't stop their overall scheme from prevailing at the end. The scheme can help set alot of those players up to cut back on the negatives we stated which Mattison doesn't . He really expected Gooden to cover Gonzalez one-on-one, probably the greatest TE in the history of the sport thats still playing on a pro bowl level for the stop? He really expected Wilson to cover White one-on-one , one of the best Wrs in the game right now? You see my friend, thats not scheming right, especially in those circumstances , those are two of Matts favorite targets and you have two average players sticking them one-on-one,LOL? Insert Dick Labuea in that situation and both of those players would have been bracketed using their best defender which is Troy on one of those players . The scheme is always more important than the team / personnel , ask the Browns, Saints, Chiefs, Patriots, etc..........

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1289542655' post='538011']
Every team has missed tackles and blown coverages, doesn't stop their overall scheme from prevailing at the end. The scheme can help set alot of those players up to cut back on the negatives we stated which Mattison doesn't . He really expected Gooden to cover Gonzalez one-on-one, probably the greatest TE in the history of the sport thats still playing on a pro bowl level for the stop? He really expected Wilson to cover White one-on-one , one of the best Wrs in the game right now? You see my friend, thats not scheming right, especially in those circumstances , those are two of Matts favorite targets and you have two average players sticking them one-on-one,LOL? Insert Dick Labuea in that situation and both of those players would have been bracketed using their best defender which is Troy on one of those players . The scheme is always more important than the team / personnel , ask the Browns, Saints, Chiefs, Patriots, etc..........
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If Gooden can't cover Gonzalez, who should? I watched him beat Nakamura and Ed for catches at different times tonight. If Wilson can't cover White one-on-one, who should? You can say someone should have been doubling him but if someone else had carved up the Ravens, we'd be complaining about that.

You bring up LeBeau, he has better players to work with than the Ravens. Fact.

EDIT: I noticed you said, had it been LeBeau, both White and Gonzo would have been bracketed. So, you commit four players to two? That leaves 7 players to blitz and try to cover everyone else? Really dude?

[wayne]

Mattison ask too much from our players like they all pro bowl caliber players. Wilson, Gooden, Webb, Landry, etc...... are nothing but average players at best, its us, the Raven fans that see more in them b/ they are on the team and they have shown flashes of greatness here and there. We put them so high on a pedastal that when they miss a tackle or get beat, we cry out in agony like we should have expected something different when the truth of the matter is " They aren't who we thought they were " , and they probably could play up to the standards we hold them to with the right D-Coordinator / scheme.

[ravensfan160]

We finally have an offense that I have confidence in their ability to orchestrate 4th qtr comebacks but now I have no confidence in our defense being able to hold 4th qtr leads.

Irony can be so harsh sometimes.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1289543113' post='538030']
Mattison ask too much from our players like they all pro bowl caliber players. Wilson, Gooden, Webb, Landry, etc...... are nothing but average players at best, its us, the Raven fans that see more in them b/ they are on the team and they have shown flashes of greatness here and there. We put them so high on a pedastal that when they miss a tackle or get beat, we cry out in agony like we should have expected something different when the truth of the matter is " They aren't who we thought they were " , and they probably could play up to the standards we hold them to with the right D-Coordinator / scheme.
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What exactly [i]is[/i] the right scheme for these players?

[wayne]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1289542921' post='538022']
If Gooden can't cover Gonzalez, who should? I watched him beat Nakamura and Ed for catches at different times tonight. If Wilson can't cover White one-on-one, who should? You can say someone should have been doubling him but if someone else had carved up the Ravens, we'd be complaining about that.

You bring up LeBeau, he has better players to work with than the Ravens. Fact.

EDIT: I noticed you said, had it been LeBeau, both White and Gonzo would have been bracketed. So, you commit four players to two? That leaves 7 players to blitz and try to cover everyone else? Really dude?
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I know you understand football , you double the best players and force everyone else to beat you with one-on-one coverage , common sense. That leaves 7 people , you rush just 3 which he should have been doing, that leaves 4 people to guard the other 3 thats going out and thats if 5 people is going out! Hell naw Gooden and Wilson shouldn't have been left one-on-one at the end of the game, last drive to win the game on those two people . Through out the game is understandable, but not on the last drive of the game in crucial 3rd down situations .

[wayne]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1289543529' post='538043']
What exactly [i]is[/i] the right scheme for these players?
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One thing I do know , Mattison doesn't bring that right scheme and many on here will agree with me.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1289543713' post='538049']
One thing I do know , Mattison doesn't bring that right scheme and many on here will agree with me.
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How about mixing in some zones and zone blitzes? It seems to me like we were in man coverage almost the whole game. When your CB's can't cover WR'r one on one you should go to zone.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1289543587' post='538045']
I know you understand football , you double the best players and force everyone else to beat you with one-on-one coverage , common sense. That leaves 7 people , you rush just 3 which he should have been doing, that leaves 4 people to guard the other 3 thats going out and thats if 5 people is going out! Hell naw Gooden and Wilson shouldn't have been left one-on-one at the end of the game, last drive to win the game on those two people . Through out the game is understandable, but not on the last drive of the game in crucial 3rd down situations .
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But haven't people been complaining about the fact he rushes three too many times? And why are sending three when only one of your players is a competent pass rusher Even the best cover men can't stick to players like White and Gonzo for several seconds.

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1289543713' post='538049']
One thing I do know , Mattison doesn't bring that right scheme and many on here will agree with me.
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Like you said to me, I know you understand football, why not answer the question and tell me what's the right scheme.