Dear Ozzie, Part 2

[Ravensfanspls]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1289602482' post='539342']
haha, around here, that is probably a good thing. You need to jump on a bandwagon before you are acknowledged...
Currently boarding is the "Fire Mattison" bandwagon. Draw a line in the sand, make a stand...you aboard or not?

*spits tobaccy juice in dirt with menacing look on face*
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Hah, I don't think he should be fired but he needs to make adjustments, We are to Proud of a team on D for this to be happening.

We wont allow this he is capable of having a great defense with the people we have now. He just needs to figure out whats going wrong we don't have access to that film. But we can tell that his play calling at times is horrible when you allow 80 yr drives your getting out coached.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ravensfanspls' timestamp='1289624147' post='539736']
Hah, I don't think he should be fired but he needs to make adjustments, We are to Proud of a team on D for this to be happening.

We wont allow this [b]he is capable of having a great defense with the people we have now. He just needs to figure out whats going wrong we don't have access to that film.[/b] But we can tell that his play calling at times is horrible when you allow 80 yr drives your getting out coached.
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Really? Four elite players and a bunch average to below average players are the recipe for a great defense? I don't think so.

"What's going wrong" is pretty evident. We've literally seen every possible defensive breakdown from the defense at different times this year. The problems just can't be figured out and stopped with the snap of a finger.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1289602236' post='539336']
Cam is not a genius. He just isn't. Keep running the ball until they find an answer til that then throw the ball. I really hope Cam gets offered a head coaching job so I don't have to have him ruining Flacco's career anymore.
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I cringe everytime they call Cam "the Alchemist" on RaveTV.

The only problem with him not being a part of the team is that the grass may not be greener on the other side.

[Ravensfanspls]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1289624864' post='539742']
Really? Four elite players and a bunch average to below average players are the recipe for a great defense? I don't think so.

"What's going wrong" is pretty evident. We've literally seen every possible defensive breakdown from the defense at different times this year. The problems just can't be figured out and stopped with the snap of a finger.
[/quote] Yes they can that is who we are we don't have avg players there ravens and i trust them.

Our play calling makes the players on D one unit that causes team play making. We WILL figure it out and we WILL make the adjustments. And also like i said 80 yr drives is getting out coached when your players are on the field like that on a no huddle offense there gonna be tired and that was obvious Thursday night.

[noy]

[quote name='Ravensfanspls' timestamp='1289625555' post='539748']
Yes they can that is who we are we don't have avg players there ravens and i trust them.

Our play calling makes the players on D one unit that causes team play making. We WILL figure it out and we WILL make the adjustments. And also like i said 80 yr drives is getting out coached when your players are on the field like that on a no huddle offense there gonna be tired and that was obvious Thursday night.
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Don't do it man! You'll spend a whole day trying...trust me.

Sorry Ed, I still like you...kinda

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Ravensfanspls' timestamp='1289625555' post='539748']
[b]Yes they can that is who we are we don't have avg players there ravens and i trust them.[/b]

Our play calling makes the players on D one unit that causes team play making. We WILL figure it out and we WILL make the adjustments. And also like i said 80 yr drives is getting out coached when your players are on the field like that on a no huddle offense there gonna be tired and that was obvious Thursday night.
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That is a very badly punctuated sentence, but I think I got the gist.

After Ray, Ed, Suggs, and Ngata, you'd be hard pressed to find a player that is even marginally above average at this point. If J.J. was healthy, he'd be above average, but he's not.

That's not to say that's all on the players though. Death to three man rushes, Mattison!

[rlh445]

[quote name='Ravensfanspls' timestamp='1289625555' post='539748']
[b]Yes they can that is who we are we don't have avg players there ravens and i trust them.[/b]
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This, right here is EXACTLY why some here have been going off half-cocked and not making any sense. I applaud you, Ravensfanspls. I applaud you for finally airing out what every one of the other detractors of Mattison is actually thinking, but attempting to disguise it by using words like, 'vanilla' and 'overload blitz' and the like. You and they actually believe that we don't have average players out there and that they're all superstars being held back by an inferior defensive scheme. THANK YOU. Finally, we're getting somewhere. This guy fully believes that the defensive players' collective talent hasn't gone down one iota and he demands perfection. That's perfectly within his rights and even understandable. But, Ravensfanspls, that's just not realistic.

The fact is that the players' collective talent HAS gone down, and no amount of cherry picking of the Ravens' 2007-2009 seasons will make that fact untrue. We have to deal with the talent we have NOW, in 2010, and from there extrapolate where Mattison (who has been accused not only of not knowing his own defenses talent level, but also not knowing how to disguise a blitz despite disguising quite a few in the Falcon game) has gone wrong. I'll start. I think Mattison needs to push for us to draft some decent linebackers and or corners in this year's draft. I also think he should continue to utilize Suggs in a more 'steamlined' role. Suggs has been burning the candle at [i]three[/i] ends this year, having to pass rush, get into coverage, and stop the run this year. Let's face it, the guy is being overworked. There is definitely one area where Mattison could better utilize his people. Maybe if he had more talent to work with in regards to other LBs currently employed by the Ravens, it wouldn't be as bad as it seems.

[flynismo]

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1289626186' post='539753']

After Ray, Ed, Suggs, and Ngata, you'd be hard pressed to find a player that is even marginally above average at this point.
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That's correct, and what the Mattison haters still haven't figured out is that is a testament to how GOOD of a DC Mattison is. He takes a collectively average group of players, and manages to keep us competitive/winning in EVERY SINGLE GAME WE PLAY.

[flynismo]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1289626899' post='539758']
This, right here is EXACTLY why some here have been going off half-cocked and not making any sense. I applaud you, Ravensfanspls. I applaud you for finally airing out what every one of the other detractors of Mattison is actually thinking, but attempting to disguise it by using words like, 'vanilla' and 'overload blitz' and the like. You and they actually believe that we don't have average players out there and that they're all superstars being held back by an inferior defensive scheme. THANK YOU. Finally, we're getting somewhere. This guy fully believes that the defensive players' [b]collective[/b] talent hasn't gone down one iota and he demands perfection. That's perfectly within his rights and even understandable. But, Ravensfanspls, that's just not realistic.

The fact is that the players' [b]collective[/b] talent HAS gone down, and no amount of cherry picking of the Ravens' 2007-2009 seasons will make that fact untrue. We have to deal with the talent we have NOW, in 2010, and from there extrapolate where Mattison (who has been accused not only of not knowing his own defenses talent level, but also not knowing how to disguise a blitz despite disguising quite a few in the Falcon game) has gone wrong. I'll start. I think Mattison needs to push for us to draft some decent linebackers and or corners in this year's draft. I also think he should continue to utilize Suggs in a more 'steamlined' role. Suggs has been burning the candle at [i]three[/i] ends this year, having to pass rush, get into coverage, and stop the run this year. Let's face it, the guy is being overworked. There is definitely one area where Mattison could better utilize his people. Maybe if he had more talent to work with in regards to other LBs currently employed by the Ravens, it wouldn't be as bad as it seems.
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There you go sniping my words again...[img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/tmnt.gif[/img]

[noy]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1289626899' post='539758']
You and they actually believe that we don't have average players out there and that they're all [b][u]superstars[/u][/b] being held back by an inferior defensive scheme. THANK YOU. Finally, we're getting somewhere. This guy fully believes that the defensive players' collective talent [b][u]hasn't gone down one iota[/u][/b] and he demands perfection.
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What in the hell. I didn't read that [i]anywhere [/i]in his post. Choo Choo! Is that the assumption train rolling this way? I think it is! Not surprising rlh, not at all.

I'm curious though. Who exactly accused him of being unable to disguise his blitzes?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ravensfanspls' timestamp='1289625555' post='539748']
Yes they can that is who we are we don't have avg players there ravens and i trust them.

Our play calling makes the players on D one unit that causes team play making. We WILL figure it out and we WILL make the adjustments. And also like i said 80 yr drives is getting out coached when your players are on the field like that on a no huddle offense there gonna be tired and that was obvious Thursday night.
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Yes, [b]the Ravens do have average players on the defense[/b]. The sooner some fans come to grips with that, the less heartbreaking the defensive miscues and meltdowns will be. It's a tough pill to swallow but drafting offensive players with early round picks for the last 5 years has led to the defense's decline. We clamored for a more balanced team and the FO delivered it to us but did any of us expect the D to remain elite while there wasn't much re-stocking going on?

Play-calling doesn't improve a player's ability to tackle better, shed blocks, rush the passer, not get picked up blitzing, not get beat in coverage or blow a coverage completely.

Mattison is constantly making adjustments but he's only working with 4 playmakers on that defense.

To me, the silver lining is the Ravens have hit a home run with Joe. Look at teams like around the league that have a good QB in place. Once they have one, surrounding them weapons isn't as hard and it's much easier to build a balanced team.

[quote name='noy' timestamp='1289626040' post='539752']
Don't do it man! You'll spend a whole day trying...trust me.

Sorry Ed, I still like you...kinda
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[Ravensfanspls]

Lets do this. First off if we don't believe in our players who will. I never used the word "superstar" but those four players you mention are.

"we will get better as a team" that is what they tell us and we will. I remember last year everyone was praising Weeb saying how great he is now he is below avg? And i have been watching Wilson that kid has been doing great why you think he got the start?

I cant tell you how many times i have seen posts of people saying once people leave Baltimore you don't hear about them anymore. That's because like i keep saying we make plays as a team. its our play calling and trusting the man next to you. Give the Falcons credit though they had a game plan and they came out and whooped us with it.

We have had our ups and downs this season we have not had a cake walk but we come out 6-3 if you ask me that's pretty damn good.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ravensfanspls' timestamp='1289628919' post='539783']
Lets do this. First off if we don't believe in our players who will. I never used the word "superstar" but those four players you mention are.

"we will get better as a team" that is what they tell us and we will. I remember last year everyone was praising Weeb saying how great he is now he is below avg? And i have been watching Wilson that kid has been doing great why you think he got the start?

I cant tell you how many times i have seen posts of people saying once people leave Baltimore you don't hear about them anymore. That's because like i keep saying we make plays as a team. its our play calling and trusting the man next to you. Give the Falcons credit though they had a game plan and they came out and whooped us with it.

We have had our ups and downs this season we have not had a cake walk but we come out 6-3 if you ask me that's pretty damn good.
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It's one thing to believe in the players. But eventually, you have to resign yourself to certain truths.

Webb burst onto the scene last season and was a breath of fresh air last year but the struggles he's had are proof he's an average player right now. The talent is there but he needs to add at least 10 pounds of bulk and work on his technique. Wilson is an average player too. He a solid tackler sure, but would he have been starting had Fabian not looked so bad the past two weeks?

The defense hasn't made too many plays as a team in crunch time this year. Blame it on the play-calling but I think that's way too convenient and just tired. The lack of execution and dearth of talent are much bigger issues to me.

[rlh445]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1289627426' post='539765']
There you go sniping my words again...[img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/tmnt.gif[/img]
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Oh, ahhahaha, I finally saw what you did there..took me a few to find the boldness. I didn't snipe anything! Although it very may well have been from seeing you type it so many times before, .

[flynismo]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1289630424' post='539795']<br />I am sorry man, lol, I'm truly not trying to steal from what you've said..it just comes to me as I'm typing but I'm not ruling out typing by osmosis..I'm sorry for real if you think I'm trying to infringe.<br />[/quote]<br /><br /><br />

no lol, actually your post appeared a minute before mine did; I just think it's weird how we have said the exact same things at the same time lately. You should be pretty concerned if you think like I do lmao

[XxSizzleXx]

Draft that Bailey kid, you never can enough Hurricanes on your team, especially if they're legit. How early would one assume that the 'next champ bailey' gets drafted, can't remember his name

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1289630741' post='539800']
Draft that Bailey kid, you never can enough Hurricanes on your team, especially if they're legit. How early would one assume that the 'next champ bailey' gets drafted, can't remember his name
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Patrick Peterson will be in the top 10 barring a major injury or some really bad pre-draft workouts.

[rlh445]

[quote name='noy' timestamp='1289627486' post='539766']
What in the hell. I didn't read that [i]anywhere [/i]in his post. Choo Choo! Is that the assumption train rolling this way? I think it is! Not surprising rlh, not at all.

I'm curious though. Who exactly accused him of being unable to disguise his blitzes?
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I don't know..well, noy I was actually going to go through the entire thread from start to finish and find all of them for you, one because I'm a nerd and two, because you said you weren't surprised, and I REALLY wanted to surprise you. But, since I have a lot of those morons blocked now it's not as easy as CTRL+F and finding them. Let's just say that plenty of people have been complaining about Mattison not 'disguising' his blitzes like Rex used to. What they mean by that is we're not moving guys around very much at the LOS and for some reason people seem to think that's what's required of defenses if they want to hide assignments on blitz packages. You obviously know that's not true, so why even bring it up?

I've seen it enough of these posts appearing directly during, after and throughout today to know where he was going. I actually APPLAUDED him, are you going to fault me for that too? How did you not read that in his post? Let me reiterate what was said. '[b]Yes they can that is who we are we don't have avg players[/b]' Now from that a person could easily garner that the guy that posted that obviously feels that the superstars on the team we once had have not gone down one iota and that they're not to blame. Assumptions are one thing, but natural inferences from ones' post are another. It's nice that you want to bring me some public transportation, but I own my own car so I don't need that. Thanks for thinking of me though noy, I honestly do appreciate it. I actually haven't ridden a train in quite some time. Do they still serve cashews?

[noy]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1289631536' post='539805']
I don't know..well, noy I was actually going to go through the entire thread from start to finish and find all of them for you, one because I'm a nerd and two, because you said you weren't surprised, and I REALLY wanted to surprise you. But, since I have a lot of those morons blocked now it's not as easy as CTRL+F and finding them. Let's just say that plenty of people have been complaining about Mattison not 'disguising' his blitzes like Rex used to. What they mean by that is we're not moving guys around very much at the LOS and for some reason people seem to think that's what's required of defenses if they want to hide assignments on blitz packages. You obviously know that's not true, so why even bring it up?

I've seen it enough of these posts appearing directly during, after and throughout today to know where he was going. I actually APPLAUDED him, are you going to fault me for that too? How did you not read that in his post? Let me reiterate what was said. '[b]Yes they can that is who we are we don't have avg players[/b]' Now from that a person could easily garner that the guy that posted that obviously feels that the superstars on the team we once had have not gone down one iota and that they're not to blame. Assumptions are one thing, but natural inferences from ones' post are another. It's nice that you want to bring me some public transportation, but I own my own car so I don't need that. Thanks for thinking of me though noy, I honestly do appreciate it. I actually haven't ridden a train in quite some time. Do they still serve cashews?
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He said they weren't avg players. You do know there are levels between avg and superstar right? Like...good...for example. Because you didn't think about all of the options he could have been talking about, it is indeed an assumption.

And I won't go into that first part. I'll get another headache from trying to explain my point of view on that. But I'll say one thing. People don't think it's required to disguise blitzes, only that it's another alternative. Our current players aren't getting it done, besides Suggs and Ngata. The disagreement is over the skill of our roster, which will lead into arguments based purely on predictions from both sides. It's why we won't agree until there is some sort of change, either in defensive production with the current scheme or a more aggressive one. The change can be positive or negative.

Also, typing on the IPhone SUCKS. Had to rewrite so many words...

[hammer]

Five years ago, we demanded that Ozzie fix the Offense. Since then he hired Harbaugh and Cameron as coaches. He then drafted Flacco, Rice, Grubbs, and Oher. He also got McGehee, Bolden, Birk and Stallworth through free agency.

The offense is well on its way to being one of the leagues best. Not there yet, but maturing as a unit.

He has done nothing on defense by design, because we have always maintained an above average defensive unit until this year. Kindle's injury might prove to be the most important thing this year, because I still believe the missing pass rush is the biggest factor.

[b]Net Result [/b]- the Ravens are now one of the most balanced teams in the NFL. thats why we win mor than we lose today.

However - parity in the NFL, NFL rules committee changes to help drive up scoring ($), free agency and the salary cap - has all conspired to expose the Ravens defense. Their lack of investment into the defense over the past few years was by design. The playmakers are older, injured or declining in skills.

Get over it. There are no dominant teams in the NFL anymore. Ozzie has done a great job in giving the Ravens balance and the Ravens will win more than they lose. This team actually might still win the Super Bowl in todays watered down league.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='hammer' timestamp='1289684448' post='540148']
Five years ago, we demanded that Ozzie fix the Offense. Since then he hired Harbaugh and Cameron as coaches. He then drafted Flacco, Rice, Grubbs, and Oher. He also got McGehee, Bolden, Birk and Stallworth through free agency.

The offense is well on its way to being one of the leagues best. Not there yet, but maturing as a unit.

He has done nothing on defense by design, because we have always maintained an above average defensive unit until this year. Kindle's injury might prove to be the most important thing this year, because I still believe the missing pass rush is the biggest factor.

[b]Net Result [/b]- the Ravens are now one of the most balanced teams in the NFL. thats why we win mor than we lose today.

However - parity in the NFL, NFL rules committee changes to help drive up scoring ($), free agency and the salary cap - has all conspired to expose the Ravens defense. Their lack of investment into the defense over the past few years was by design. The playmakers are older, injured or declining in skills.

Get over it. There are no dominant teams in the NFL anymore. Ozzie has done a great job in giving the Ravens balance and the Ravens will win more than they lose. This team actually might still win the Super Bowl in todays watered down league.
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As true as that entire post is, I think we're 2 positions away from being a top 5 defense in both yards and points from a consistent basis(not just dumping on bad teams and giving up 25+ to good teams to even it out to around 17 ppg kind of thing). Either Kindle is Kindle next year, or an interior Dlineman who is a pass rusher with nominal strength and burst, or a playmaker at CB that teams genuinely think twice about whether they can throw every single route combination at him.

[hammer]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1289684998' post='540154']
As true as that entire post is, I think we're 2 positions away from being a top 5 defense in both yards and points from a consistent basis(not just dumping on bad teams and giving up 25+ to good teams to even it out to around 17 ppg kind of thing). Either Kindle is Kindle next year, or an interior Dlineman who is a pass rusher with nominal strength and burst, or a playmaker at CB that teams genuinely think twice about whether they can throw every single route combination at him.
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Ditto. We just need another DOMINANT player on defense - preferably a pass rusher. Even a good corner will get exposed on the Ravens without a supplimentary pass rush.

[codizzle]

Dear ozzie,

thank you for consistently giving us a competitive team that is always in contention for the afc north crown.

excellen job over the past few years drafting flacco, oher, rice, ngata, grubbs, and others who have begun with the leadership of our veterans in building a winning atmosphere within the organization.

Thank you for being an integral part in shaping our team this year which is 6-3 yep 6-3 and only a half game out of first currently.

we have a bright future. Thank you ozzie for being one of the main reasons it is so bright

sincerely,
dizz

[1/28/01]

Thanks for being a top 100 player as well as already having picked 3 top 100 players....pretty amazing!

[flynismo]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1289708964' post='540382']
Dear ozzie,

thank you for consistently giving us a competitive team that is always in contention for the afc north crown.

excellen job over the past few years drafting flacco, oher, rice, ngata, grubbs, and others who have begun with the leadership of our veterans in building a winning atmosphere within the organization.

Thank you for being an integral part in shaping our team this year which is 6-3 yep 6-3 and only a half game out of first currently.

we have a bright future. Thank you ozzie for being one of the main reasons it is so bright

sincerely,
dizz

[b]
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[b]PS- Now fix this damn defense!![/b]
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I agree with everything you said, especially "your" post script note!

[img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/242736.gif[/img]

[codizzle]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1289709766' post='540386']
I agree with everything you said, especially "your" post script note!

[img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/242736.gif[/img]
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true but i rhink it'll work out like last year everyone will start to gel and we'll see games soon where we start to play good defense for a whole game.

I think cody will prove to be big for us. His run stuffing abilities will free up suggs up more to concentrate more on rushing to the qb and give the secondaryw some time to continue to get used to having reed back there and give reed and wilson time getting used to starting. Come playoff time we'll be cruising just like a good team should be

[flynismo]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1289710407' post='540389']<br /> <br />true but i rhink it'll work out like last year everyone will start to gel and we'll see games soon where we start to play good defense for a whole game.<br /><br />I think cody will prove to be big for us. His run stuffing abilities will free up suggs up more to concentrate more on rushing to the qb and give the secondaryw some time to continue to get used to having reed back there and give reed and wilson time getting used to starting. Come playoff time we'll be cruising just like a good team should be<br />[/quote]


If Cody does come through (right now, that's still a very big if), it will most definitely be a step in the right direction, but I dont think it will be enough. Another guy besides him will have to step up as well (Kruger? Wilson?) for me to at least be comfortable with our defense again. In a perfect world, Cody and Kruger establish themselves, and either JJ, Webb, McClain, Ellerbe or Landry significantly improves...but I know that asking for all three things to happen is being unrealistic. Honestly, I'll be thrilled if we can make just one of those things happen...

[Radinho84]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1289714960' post='540408']
If Cody does come through (right now, that's still a very big if), it will most definitely be a step in the right direction, but I dont think it will be enough. Another guy besides him will have to step up as well (Kruger? Wilson?) for me to at least be comfortable with our defense again. In a perfect world, Cody and Kruger establish themselves, and either JJ, Webb, McClain, Ellerbe or Landry significantly improves...but I know that asking for all three things to happen is being unrealistic. Honestly, I'll be thrilled if we can make just one of those things happen...
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come on fly!!! just be a little bit more optimistic. lol
i got your points through the whole thread and you´re right.

we have some stuff to get fixed and i am sure our boys know that too.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1289714960' post='540408']
If Cody does come through (right now, that's still a very big if), it will most definitely be a step in the right direction, but I dont think it will be enough. Another guy besides him will have to step up as well (Kruger? Wilson?) for me to at least be comfortable with our defense again. In a perfect world, Cody and Kruger establish themselves, and either JJ, Webb, McClain, Ellerbe or Landry significantly improves...but I know that asking for all three things to happen is being unrealistic. Honestly, I'll be thrilled if we can make just one of those things happen...
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If Cody does what he did against the Falcons we wont need to drop a safety to help against the run except when teams go lie 3 TEs or 2 TEs and a FB when its obvious theyre in a run heavy set. Our rush D will be back to being lights out. And really if our CBs cant cover with help over the top on both sides for 80% of the game they have serious problems.

[flynismo]

,[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1289923535' post='542615']<br />If Cody does what he did against the Falcons we wont need to drop a safety to help against the run except when teams go lie 3 TEs or 2 TEs and a FB when its obvious theyre in a run heavy set.  Our rush D will be back to being lights out.  And really if our CBs cant cover with help over the top on both sides for 80% of the game they have serious problems.<br />[/quote]

I think Cody's emergence would be huge for our run game, no doubt. Depending on how good he turns out to be, I'll agree that it may even be enough to cure our run defense woes.
But I still dont think our pass D would be up to snuff, which is why I hope to see Wilson emerge as well. Right now, our CBs just are not very good. Seeing two of them getting their starting roles taken from them (Fabian and Webb) over the past couple weeks is definitely a sign that we are in big trouble back there, and need someone to step it up.
Damn you Foxy!! :shakesfist: ,,,,,,,,