Dear Ozzie, Part 2

[Shawn`]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1289539925' post='537817']
Didn't see a lot of blitzes throughout the entire course of the game is mainly why I'm mad, which ultimately lead to our demise with Ryan having a lot of time to throw.
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I remember quite a few. A lot of overloads, even one where chris carr (could be someone else) went in clean at Ryan but he managed to get it out of his hands.

Lewis came in the middle a lot as well, remember the first drive where Turner blocked him, injuring him?

The point is, for most of the game, we weren't getting sufficient pressure on Ryan, no matter how many people we stacked the box with. There's nothing you can do about that as a coordinator.

If you blitz, you can't double cover White otherwise there's somebody wide open.

[Bltravens]

I agree with Alexir, you make somebody else beat you, because you already know White can and will beat you. So see if Jenkins, Gonzalez can beat you. You know Gonzalez isnt going to stretch the field on you. Why even let White have single coverage at all.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1289540011' post='537823']
I disagree. You need to adjust gameplan accordingly no matter the score.

Ok, let the other person beat you. Get Ryan uncomfortable so he becomes linus without his secuirty blanket. Who is his next guy? Gonzalez? Rather have that match up.

If you are playing that far off the LoS, short slants will beat you all day. Crossing routes will beat you all day. Screen passes will beat you all day.

I'll answer your question with another: Who on the Falcons' Defense is elite? John Abraham then who? Maybe Dunta Robinson? Maybe
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But dude, simply making "adjustments" sounds great but defenses make counter-adjustments and at times, players simply don't execute. Sorry man but I can't put a loss like this on the coordinators when the team scores zero points in the first half and a blown coverage leads to the opposing team's first score.

True dat but would you have the DBs try and play bump and run and then manhandled at the line?

Abraham aside, no one but they played solid, fundamental football for the most part tonight and the Ravens' o-line struggled mightily.

EDIT: To your third point about letting someone else beats, I personally don't agree wit that philosophy but that's just me.

[thrash5]

The reason it's the D-Cordinaters fault is he don't get his guys in position to make plays.this the most i ever seen our defence blitz corners as much as we do now, we need to start over at the linebacker position because it is clear that them youngs guys just dont get it(taveris gooden)they been here long enough.To the great wiz of oz enough with the under sized corners at 5"10 need 6"1-4" like C-mac one young deep threat then we really be smoking but we can have it all can we.

[RoflDogs]

Dear Ozzie,
please get us a competent coaching staff

[Ravensfanspls]

Playing 15 yards off ball is ridiculous. They did not play inside all game i keept thinking god i miss Cmac. Greg is telling them to do that. We need to be more aggressive The defense was sad the TOP was so lop sided the players were tired. Personally i think when we do not get 1 turnover something is wrong its play calling it doesn't matter WHO IS ON THE FIELD we make plays as one unit calling great plays and getting them off guard and we DID not see that.

[rlh445]

[quote name='Shawn`' timestamp='1289539669' post='537791']
This is the reason why I don't call for a coordinators heads just for fun like a lot of people here.

Because I'm not on the field, I don't know what it's like to be in a game situation and I'm not the one demeaning their jobs which they work very hard at by saying something like [b]"Cam is getting cute" [/b]or "Mattison doesn't have the balls to blitz."
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Cam did get cute. He ran Rice, who had 4 attempts for 27 yards with no resistance and then just says, 'Hey Joe, throw it for most of the rest of the game,'. He tried to do the opposite of what was working to catch the Falcons off guard, and it didn't work. Once the Falcons went ahead, we really had no choice. Also I want to say that it made me cringe to see Matt up there audibling successfully, and then watching Joe's face as he went up against a defensive scheme he recognized, look around, shake his head and then start the play. HE'S SEEING THE PROBLEMS. He just can't do anything about it because Cam thinks audibling is overrated. Gimme a freakin' break, Cam..buddy, please..let Joe get to that next level. I just can't believe a guy as smart and dedicated as Joe wouldn't be able to audible his way out of a bad matchup against defenses. It's time to let it go and let the guy make some goddamn plays before the fourth quarter.

[Nadkins52]

if i was d-cord i wouldnt have blitzed.... for 1 reason.. early in the 1st or 2nd quarter it was obvious chris carr was coming on a blitz.... matt ryan than obviously called a hot to white and chris carr came and didnt jump or anything he jst ran at ryan acting like he gna scare him or something.. we need corners bad

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='RoflDogs' timestamp='1289540344' post='537850']
Dear Ozzie,
please get us a competent coaching staff
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Love Harbaugh, not too fond of everyone else.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1289540263' post='537843']
But dude, simply making "adjustments" sounds great but defenses make counter-adjustments and at times, players simply don't execute. Sorry man but I can't put a loss like this on the coordinators when the team scores zero points in the first half and a blown coverage leads to the opposing team's first score.

True dat but would you have the DBs try and play bump and run and then manhandled at the line?

[b]Abraham aside, no one but they played solid, fundamental football for the most part tonight and the Ravens' o-line struggled mightily.[/b]
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I ll address all of this but first I would like to say our run game was not going to shut down and Flacco did a great job with the pump fake handoffs. He looked like Favre or Manning out their in that sense. We should of never lost possession of the ball and clock with our opening drive. I feel Cam had nothing scripted.

We have some great Corners on our team....that will be the best number 2's and 3's in the league! I say that sincerely. But we need a number 1 Corner with nice size and can Jam. I know thats a needle in the haystack but Oz will find him.

Part in bold: My point exactly. I feel the Falcons coaches came up with a better game plan.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1289539323' post='537757']
Dude, don't even start. [b]Rice is averaging about 10 yards per run and we pass, pass, pass[/b] or put McGahee in and lose about 2 yards. When we pass the ball 5 straight times after we run, we punt. It's repetitive. That's CAMERON'S fault.

When our DB's play 12 yards off of Roddy White and we bring a three man rush with no zone blitzes and give Ryan about 4 seconds to throw, that's MATTISON'S fault.

Both are calling the plays, and the last five minutes of the game should be like that for the enitre game. It happens every single week, why do you see people on these boards calling for Mattison's and Cameron's heads? Because they don't call good game. Cameron tries to get cute, and [b]Mattison doesn't have the balls to blitz[/b]. [b]Come on now[/b][/quote]
That's what you do when you're down by two scores in the fourth quarter and you need points fast. No, we didn't go hurry up offense, but we still got greater chunks of yards through the passing game. Remember the drive when we got our second TD and made it 20-14, how we called almost all pass plays, but the times we ran, it got STUFFED?

And secondly, why blitz like that and leave NO ONE, not even Reed back deep to prevent the big play? Instead, he took the underneath receiver (Gonzalez) and Roddy was wide open. Remember our game winning TD in Pittsburgh, how the Steelers sent Timmons and a saftey named Polamalu on the blitz? Flacco took full advantage with one on one on the outside.

I strongly believe that this play at the end of the Falcons drive was a horrible time to call a blitz, but it's not like he never calls them.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1289540585' post='537872']
I ll address all of this but first I would like to say our run game was not going to shut down and Flacco did a great job with the pump fake handoffs. He looked like Favre or Manning out their in that sense. We should of never lost possession of the ball and clock with our opening drive. I feel Cam had nothing scripted.

We have some great Corners on our team....that will be the best number 2's and 3's in the league! I say that sincerely. But we need a number 1 Corner with nice size and can Jam. I know thats a needle in the haystack but Oz will find him.

Part in bold: My point exactly. I feel the Falcons coaches came up with a better game plan.
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I agree with you about Cam.

Agreed about the CBs. However, a stronger pass rush would certainly make their jobs easier.

Part of me agrees with you that ATL's game-plan was better but the lack of execution tonight was evident far too often for me to say, coaching was the sole reason the Ravens took an L.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1289539385' post='537762']<br />A. Yes. Make adjustments. Thats part of being a coach in the NFL. Put Heap next to him or get a running block to chip Abraham. Do something. Don't ignore it.<br /><br /><br /><br />B. Yes. He is an elite receiver and all of corners are undersized, average players. Put Landry or Ruki on a double team with Wilson all game. Do something. Mattison needs to take his ego out of it.<br /><br />C. Yes.....they called poor coverages, they dont jam at the line which would actually help the pass rush. Refs were a huge part too, but hey we are Ravens fans we expect that.<br /><br />D. The talent isn't great but a team with Reed, Lewis, Suggs and Ngata should play a lot better than that. Mattison is no Rex Ryan. Is Nolan coaching right now?<br />[/quote]

You know why Mattison is no Rex Ryan? Because he does not have the weapons to work with that Ryan did. Simple as that.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1289540924' post='537897']
You know why Mattison is no Rex Ryan? Because he does not have the weapons to work with that Ryan did. Simple as that.
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Agreed. Suggs, Ngata, Thomas, '06 Pryce, '06 Ray, Bart, '06 Gregg trumps the current front seven.

[Alexir]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1289540924' post='537897']
You know why Mattison is no Rex Ryan? Because he does not have the weapons to work with that Ryan did. Simple as that.
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Yeah, Mattison doesn't have Jim Leonhard, Samari Rolle or Chris McAlister. Ah Shucks....

He does have Ellerbe who in my opinion has every ability in him to become a better Jack backer than The Mad Backer himself.

[rlh445]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1289541177' post='537918']
Yeah, Mattison doesn't have Jim Leonhard, Samari Rolle or Chris McAlister. Ah Shucks....

He does have Ellerbe who in my opinion has every ability in him to become a better Jack backer than The Mad Backer himself.
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Lol, you say that as if those three you named were scrubs. *snort*

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1289541177' post='537918']<br />Yeah, Mattison doesn't have Jim Leonhard, Samari Rolle or Chris McAlister. Ah Shucks....<br /><br />He does have Ellerbe who in my opinion has every ability in him to become a better Jack backer than The Mad Backer himself.<br />[/quote]


You say that as if not having two elite CBs, Bart Scott, Jim Leonhard, Trevor Pryce will he was still in his prime, a healthy and effective Kelly Gregg and Adalius Thomas is no big deal.

And until Ellerbe actually becomes as good as Scott, it doesn't matter who thinks what about him, bottom line is he is no Bart Scott yet, thus another weapon Mattison does not have the luxury of having.

[flynismo]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1289541306' post='537930']<br />Lol, you say that as if those three you named were scrubs.  *snort*<br />[/quote]

Is there an echo in here? lol

[Alexir]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1289541306' post='537930']
Lol, you say that as if those three you named were scrubs. *snort*
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A. Really ....Snort? [img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/34853_shakehead.GIF[/img]

B. I'm a huge McAlister fan but we know he was riding the bench under Ryan's last year as D Coordinator. We know Rolle was suffering from injury and his epilepsy. Leonhard did play some sound football but it was our GM and coaching staff that wanted him to compete with Landry for the SS position.

C. Really? You going to pull that card? How come our defense finished 6th in 2007 when we had SOOOOO many injuries to our defense? It was a system. Not the players.

[Alexir]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1289541526' post='537939']
You say that as if not having two elite CBs, Bart Scott, Jim Leonhard, Trevor Pryce will he was still in his prime, a healthy and effective Kelly Gregg and Adalius Thomas is no big deal.

And until Ellerbe actually becomes as good as Scott, it doesn't matter who thinks what about him, bottom line is he is no Bart Scott yet, thus another weapon Mattison does not have the luxury of having.
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I'm not talking pre 2007 or pre 2008. Those were Ryans last 2 years here and his defense schemes were sound and effective. It was the organized Chaos. now its disorganized run around like a chicken with its head cut off, get beat and give the guy time to throw.

I just don't understand some of you fans. You won't blame the coaching and you wont blame Ozzie Newsome but you somehow manage to blame the players that end up starting at said positions....[img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/34853_shakehead.GIF[/img]

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1289541659' post='537949']
A. Really ....Snort? [img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/34853_shakehead.GIF[/img]

B. I'm a huge McAlister fan but we know he was riding the bench under Ryan's last year as D Coordinator. We know Rolle was suffering from injury and his epilepsy. Leonhard did play some sound football but it was our GM and coaching staff that wanted him to compete with Landry for the SS position.

C. Really? You going to pull that card? How come our defense finished 6th in 2007 when we had SOOOOO many injuries to our defense? It was a system. Not the players.
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6th in yards, we also gave up 384 total points and finished in the bottom half of the league for scoring defense. Rex's system is total garbage without cover corners, we of all fans should know that.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1289541834' post='537962'] You won't blame the coaching and you wont blame Ozzie Newsome but you somehow manage to blame the players that end up starting at said positions....<img src="http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/34853_shakehead.GIF" /><br /><br /><br />[/quote]


Imagine that...people holding players accountable for their performances...what is this world coming to??

And if you haven't noticed, the "fire Mattison" and "fire Cam" train left the station a long time ago and is going full steam right now, so I dunno how you can say people dont blame the coaches. Unless you meant me specifically, in which case my answer is I dont blame Mattison because he is not the problem.

[rlh445]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1289541601' post='537946']
Is there an echo in here? lol
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hahaha, i don't know, did you snort?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1289541659' post='537949']
A. Really ....Snort? [img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/34853_shakehead.GIF[/img]

B. I'm a huge McAlister fan but we know he was riding the bench under Ryan's last year as D Coordinator. We know Rolle was suffering from injury and his epilepsy. Leonhard did play some sound football but it was our GM and coaching staff that wanted him to compete with Landry for the SS position.

[b]C. Really? You going to pull that card? How come our defense finished 6th in 2007 when we had SOOOOO many injuries to our defense? It was a system. Not the players.[/b]
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As Blt said, the D was terrible that year. I remember the Sunday night game where Rex sent blitz after blitz at Peyton when the team had the likes of David Pittman, Corey Ivy and Derrick Martin in the secondary.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1289541849' post='537963']
6th in yards, we also gave up 384 total points and finished in the bottom half of the league for scoring defense.
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But we still manged without a healthy Pryce, Rolle and McAlister who as some of you were saying, still in their prime in the 2006 season. Ray Lewis even missed some time as I recall.

And not to change the subject or make excuses but in 2007 when was our Defense not on the field?

[flynismo]

Let me ask all you Mattison bashers something.If it's all in the system, then why do we hold camps and tryouts? Why don't we just go hire random people off the street? I mean, the system is what makes a defense, so personnel doesn't matter right?

[rlh445]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1289541659' post='537949']
A. Really ....Snort? [img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/34853_shakehead.GIF[/img]

B. I'm a huge McAlister fan but we know he was riding the bench under Ryan's last year as D Coordinator. We know Rolle was suffering from injury and his epilepsy. Leonhard did play some sound football but it was our GM and coaching staff that wanted him to compete with Landry for the SS position.

C. Really? You going to pull that card? How come our defense finished 6th in 2007 when we had SOOOOO many injuries to our defense? It was a system. Not the players.
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I snort when I laugh sometimes, my bad. Whatevs, bro. The fact that you're actually trying to argue that the talent Mattison has under his control is equal to the talent that Rexy did, means you're not even actually trying to say anything.

[flynismo]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1289542137' post='537980']<br />hahaha, i don't know, did you snort?<br />[/quote]


No, but my dog just farted. Does that count? lol

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1289542207' post='537983']
As Blt said, the D was terrible that year. I remember the Sunday night game where Rex sent blitz after blitz at Peyton when the team had the likes of David Pittman, Corey Ivy and Derrick Martin in the secondary.
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But I mean we never beat Peyton lol. Our D was pretty good for the lack of offense we had. Like I mentioned, We punted a lot/turned the ball over a lot that season.

[rlh445]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1289541834' post='537962']
I'm not talking pre 2007 or pre 2008. Those were Ryans last 2 years here and his defense schemes were sound and effective. It was the organized Chaos. now its disorganized run around like a chicken with its head cut off, get beat and give the guy time to throw.

I just don't understand some of you fans. You won't blame the coaching and you wont blame Ozzie Newsome but you somehow manage to blame the players that end up starting at said positions....[img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/34853_shakehead.GIF[/img]
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Yea, that's really freakin' strange isn't it? Fans, blaming the players for playing badly? Yea, we're really off the mark here. [img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/34853_shakehead.GIF[/img]