Flacco Criticism Thread

[Jamal]

[quote name='NgataHavinIt' timestamp='1289579665' post='538705']
I heard an interesting stat this morning on Serius NFL Radio...not sure if it's been posted since I haven't read the whole thread.

When the Ravens are down 9+ points, Flacco's passer rating is [u]135[/u]! So that brings me to ask two questions:

1. Why does it take us being down for Joe to focus, find that "fire," and step up his game? He thinks quicker, makes decisions, gets the ball out on time, etc much better in those situations. That's great on one hand, because it shows that he's the guy you want in there when the chips are down. On the other hand, why does it take him that long to get going?

2. Is it Joe, or is it that the offensive line tightens up and blocks well for him when things get tough? If so, it brings about the same question. Why do they wait until it's do or die to start blocking with some sense of urgency?

If this team played with the same fire that they do in the fourth quarter throughout a whole game, we could definitely be a force to be reckoned with. I'd love to hear what you guys think about this...
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1. It seems like Cam handcuffs Flacco until he has no choice. He wont run the ball when hes having success, because he out-thinks himself.

2. The o-line was definitely part of it, but Cam doesn't adjust. If the line is struggling so much, why doesn't he try more shot-gun plays, or try max protects?

3. You mean if the offense played like that throughout the whole game right? Because if the defense played like that the whole game, we'd be in some major trouble.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='NgataHavinIt' timestamp='1289579665' post='538705']
I heard an interesting stat this morning on Serius NFL Radio...not sure if it's been posted since I haven't read the whole thread.

When the Ravens are down 9+ points, Flacco's passer rating is [u]135[/u]! So that brings me to ask two questions:

1. Why does it take us being down for Joe to focus, find that "fire," and step up his game? He thinks quicker, makes decisions, gets the ball out on time, etc much better in those situations. That's great on one hand, because it shows that he's the guy you want in there when the chips are down. On the other hand, why does it take him that long to get going?

2. Is it Joe, or is it that the offensive line tightens up and blocks well for him when things get tough? If so, it brings about the same question. Why do they wait until it's do or die to start blocking with some sense of urgency?

If this team played with the same fire that they do in the fourth quarter throughout a whole game, we could definitely be a force to be reckoned with. I'd love to hear what you guys think about this...
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Ive noticed that as well, and in all honesty I dont think its Cam that handcuffs Joe in the beginning of games. Thats not in Cams best interest, and although Cams gets some heat for odd play calling I dont think all of it is justified. Let Flacco loose from the first minute. Make no mistake Im not saying let Flacco throw 40 times a game because hes far more effective in PA, but it seems like the first couple drives are always "feeler" drives.

[SnOoPy]

Even though Flacco didn't do much first half. But he showed up in the 4th quarter! Threw 2 TD that got us the lead! Defense needs to step it up. So much penalties on Special team..unbelievable.

[hawkprey]

Flacco is the bright spot of the offense. It's the O-line that sucks. I don't want to see another "Flacco sucks" thread.

[theFRANCHISE]

Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco are both good quarterbacks and the right one for their respective teams. The numbers reflect that, and the fact that the game was so close and decided in the final minute supports it.

Slow start or no slow start, the cliche applies that, it's not how you start, it's how you finish. Flacco started slow but finished strong; you can't pin that final drive on him since he doesn't play defense. Ryan started strong yet faltered, only to finish strong again, with a little assistance from some calls that could've gone either way.

Though there's no mistaking that Matt Ryan's development is ahead of Joe Flacco, that difference is not far. Ryan's monstrous passing yards in this one game are not necessarily the barometer that will determine his season-long performance, meaning that Ryan may not necessarily be that far ahead of Flacco for the rest of the year. Flacco has proven that he can bounce back from losses, and he certainly had a good performance during an otherwise disappointing night.

There are many different people that this loss can be pinned on, but to insinuate that Matt Ryan is the answer in Baltimore over Flacco or that Flacco was the reason for the loss, is short-sighted. Criticism of the QB is fine, but to imply that Flacco is horrible is to suffer from diarrhea of the mouth.

[noy]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1289584108' post='538804']
Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco are both good quarterbacks and the right one for their respective teams. The numbers reflect that, and the fact that the game was so close and decided in the final minute supports it.

Slow start or no slow start, the cliche applies that, it's not how you start, it's how you finish. Flacco started slow but finished strong; you can't pin that final drive on him since he doesn't play defense. Ryan started strong yet faltered, only to finish strong again, with a little assistance from some calls that could've gone either way.

Though there's no mistaking that Matt Ryan's development is ahead of Joe Flacco, that difference is not far. Ryan's monstrous passing yards in this one game are not necessarily the barometer that will determine his season-long performance, meaning that Ryan may not necessarily be that far ahead of Flacco for the rest of the year. Flacco has proven that he can bounce back from losses, and he certainly had a good performance during an otherwise disappointing night.

There are many different people that this loss can be pinned on, but to insinuate that Matt Ryan is the answer in Baltimore over Flacco or that Flacco was the reason for the loss, is short-sighted. [b]Criticism of the QB is fine, but to imply that Flacco is horrible is to suffer from diarrhea of the mouth.[/b]
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I'm waiting for the day when you say how you [i]really [/i]feel. I feel like it is on the horizon.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Marc2k6' timestamp='1289562984' post='538265']
Well Flacco is no Matt Ryan, that is for sure!
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Correct....he's not. They are two different players

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='noy' timestamp='1289585211' post='538832']
I'm waiting for the day when you say how you [i]really [/i]feel. I feel like it is on the horizon.
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I have no comment.

[sliceanddic3]

This is getting sad... FLACCO DID NOT LOSE US THIS GAME! Sure he played a horrendous first half (and even that wasn't completely his fault) but he showed up when he needed to and put points on the board. The DEFENSE lost this game, maybe all you guys are just disappointed that this isn't the same defense that the Ravens fans are used to having, but don't blame it on Flacco when it clearly wasn't all his fault. Stop living in the past.

[AwakenTheDemon]

I'm am so sick and tired of seeing a new thread about how Flacco isn't living up to lofty expectations, or how "bad" he is, after every freakin' game we lose.

Here, I'll criticize Joe for you guys:
Flacco's been one of the best (if not the best) quarterbacks in the NFL since week two. Yesterday, he came alive in the second half and won... sorry, almost won the game against the Flacons (should have won, but whatever). Shame on you, Joe. How dare you be so good, it's not like the defense struggles at times, and puts you in bad situations. You should be able to overcome that every game.

Last night's game wasn't on Joe [u]at all[/u]. The defense couldn't stop Matt Ryan for the entire game (Joe had a whopping 8 passing attempts in the first half). But when the defense did step it up a bit in the second half, what happened? Joe marches down the field and gets us in the lead with a minute left in the game. Then what happened next certainly [b]was not[/b] Joe's fault. Fact of the matter is Matt Ryan was backed by a great defense the entire night, he was on the field for practically the entire first half. Had the Baltimore defense played as well as Atlanta, Joe's statistics would have been much high. But hey, on only 10 less completions and 16 less attempts, Joe had only a hundred yards less than Ryan.

If you don't like Joe, there's the door, because just like "HEY! Let's sign [Insert Any Free Agent Here]!" threads, Joe bashing and criticizing threads are over done and boring.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1289585720' post='538845']
I'm am so sick and tired of seeing a new thread about how Flacco isn't living up to lofty expectations, or how "bad" he is, after every freakin' game we lose.

Here, I'll criticize Joe for you guys:
Flacco's been one of the best (if not the best) quarterbacks in the NFL since week two. Yesterday, he came alive in the second half and won... sorry, almost won the game against the Flacons (should have won, but whatever). Shame on you, Joe. How dare you be so good, it's not like the defense struggles at times, and puts you in bad situations. You should be able to overcome that every game.

Last night's game wasn't on Joe [u]at all[/u]. The defense couldn't stop Matt Ryan for the entire game (Joe had a whopping 8 passing attempts in the first half). But when the defense did step it up a bit in the second half, what happened? Joe marches down the field and gets us in the lead with a minute left in the game. Then what happened next certainly [b]was not[/b] Joe's fault. Fact of the matter is Matt Ryan was backed by a great defense the entire night, he was on the field for practically the entire first half. Had the Baltimore defense played as well as Atlanta, Joe's statistics would have been much high. But hey, on only 10 less completions and 16 less attempts, Joe had only a hundred yards less than Ryan.

If you don't like Joe, there's the door, because just like "HEY! Let's sign [Insert Any Free Agent Here]!" threads, Joe bashing and criticizing threads are over done and boring.
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+76!!! Flacco played a great game (he was limited to 8 attempts in teh first half and our D couldnt get off the field)

[sliceanddic3]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1289585720' post='538845']
I'm am so sick and tired of seeing a new thread about how Flacco isn't living up to lofty expectations, or how "bad" he is, after every freakin' game we lose.

Here, I'll criticize Joe for you guys:
Flacco's been one of the best (if not the best) quarterbacks in the NFL since week two. Yesterday, he came alive in the second half and won... sorry, almost won the game against the Flacons (should have won, but whatever). Shame on you, Joe. How dare you be so good, it's not like the defense struggles at times, and puts you in bad situations. You should be able to overcome that every game.

Last night's game wasn't on Joe [u]at all[/u]. The defense couldn't stop Matt Ryan for the entire game (Joe had a whopping 8 passing attempts in the first half). But when the defense did step it up a bit in the second half, what happened? Joe marches down the field and gets us in the lead with a minute left in the game. Then what happened next certainly [b]was not[/b] Joe's fault. Fact of the matter is Matt Ryan was backed by a great defense the entire night, he was on the field for practically the entire first half. Had the Baltimore defense played as well as Atlanta, Joe's statistics would have been much high. But hey, on only 10 less completions and 16 less attempts, Joe had only a hundred yards less than Ryan.

If you don't like Joe, there's the door, because just like "HEY! Let's sign [Insert Any Free Agent Here]!" threads, Joe bashing and criticizing threads are over done and boring.
[/quote]
Amen..

[bmorefan444]

Flacco did what he had to do. Our defense couldn't stop them.

[NgataHavinIt]

Didn't really consider my post "Flacco bashing," but I'm not sure if you're talking about mine in particular. I actually like Flacco a lot. I just want to see that same urgency throughout a game, not just at the end. I think if he can bring that together, he'd easily be a top 5 QB within a year or two. By the way, I understand Housh's want for the ball, but he dropped a couple last night that made a difference...

[darklight1216]

I wish the Ravens would draft a qb who gives them a chance to win in almost every game and can succeed in the playoffs.

Oh wait...

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1289586361' post='538864']
I wish the Ravens would draft a qb who gives them a chance to win in almost every game and can succeed in the playoffs.
[/quote]

That's sarcasm right?

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1289586525' post='538869']
That's sarcasm right?
[/quote]
Yep, looks like no one got it though.

[ravenanchors]

I understand that fans are angry that Flacco didn't win the game for them.
But is it really Flacco's fault.
It is unrealistic to say that Matt is better than Flacco.

Both Matt and Joe have the same stats for the game except that
Matt threw 50 times and Joe threw 34 times.
Otherwise they are identical.

Matt threw more because his offensive coordinator knew he could exploit the Ravens secondary.
It seems that the ravens offensive coordinator could not figure out how to beat the defense until the 4th quarter.

The difference in the game was Play calling and defense. Even though Flacco was under pressure most of the game, he still drove the team down the field and threw for 3 touchdowns.

The ravens got off to a slow start because of the play calling.

1 interception is nothing. It still leaves Flacco with a 100 QB Rating

[Corvus]

I can't believe this topic is even meriting discussion. Joe, your QB rating last night was only 99! Shame on you buddy, apparently we're all expecting you to be the lost Manning brother...give me a break. Nothing to say that hasn't already been said. Joe wasn't perfect last night, but he was one of the few good things going for us. He is playing great if you ask me.

[CorvusCorax]

[quote name='Corvus' timestamp='1289588486' post='538918']
I can't believe this topic is even meriting discussion. Joe, your QB rating last night was only 99! Shame on you buddy, apparently we're all expecting you to be the lost Manning brother...give me a break. Nothing to say that hasn't already been said. Joe wasn't perfect last night, but he was one of the few good things going for us. He is playing great if you ask me.
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My sentiments exact. He was clutch yet again this game.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Thanatos' timestamp='1289544663' post='538087']<br />Hm. Hey, why are words being added into my posts? Like in what you quoted? The word 'hate' is inserted, but I didn't put it there. On another post, 'but you suck' was added in. Do you guys have a hacker problem?<br /><br />Pretty strange..<br />[/quote]


No, we have a troll problem, not a hacker one.

[Rinbee]

[quote name='ravenanchors' timestamp='1289587735' post='538907']
I understand that fans are angry that Flacco didn't win the game for them.
But is it really Flacco's fault.
It is unrealistic to say that Matt is better than Flacco.

Both Matt and Joe have the same stats for the game except that
Matt threw 50 times and Joe threw 34 times.
Otherwise they are identical.

Matt threw more because his offensive coordinator knew he could exploit the Ravens secondary.
It seems that the ravens offensive coordinator could not figure out how to beat the defense until the 4th quarter.

The difference in the game was Play calling and defense. Even though Flacco was under pressure most of the game, he still drove the team down the field and threw for 3 touchdowns.

The ravens got off to a slow start because of the play calling.

[b]1 interception is nothing. It still leaves Flacco with a 100 QB Rating[/b][/quote]

Ok, too much is put on Joe's shoulders by coaches and fans. But be real, he did play a role in losing. An interception is not nothing. It led to points and contributed to the D being on the field longer than necessary. A QB rating does not get us into the playoffs. Stupid mistakes don't get us into the playoffs. A lot of players made stupid mistakes, but if joe is going to occupy the premier position he has to be ready to take a little more heat than others. It's one thing to be outplayed by an opponent, it's another to have a ball handed to you on a silver platter.

[cursona pirate]

i like how this started up again! this topic should be locked!
just all the new members are complaining!
Ryan wasent that amzing at all. the dfence was horrible with penalties!

[cursona pirate]

[quote name='Rinbee' timestamp='1289589609' post='538964']
Ok, too much is put on Joe's shoulders by coaches and fans. But be real, he did play a role in losing. An interception is not nothing. It led to points and contributed to the D being on the field longer than necessary. A QB rating does not get us into the playoffs. Stupid mistakes don't get us into the playoffs. A lot of players made stupid mistakes, but if joe is going to occupy the premier position he has to be ready to take a little more heat than others. It's one thing to be outplayed by an opponent, it's another to have a ball handed to you on a silver platter.
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your making a huge mistake posting this
we were not outplayed at all
we almost one!
joe flacco did very well in the game!
i would pick him over matt ryan a game thats coming down in to the last minute!

[cursona pirate]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1289563243' post='538271']
Ryan and Flacco played identical games. Near mirror images of each other.. Only difference was that Ryan had 50 attempts and didn't have Jonathan Babineaux or John Abraham on his back every snap.

Joe Flacco played a good game last night. Anyone denying that is only kidding themselves. We had far bigger problems than a couple of overthrows - namely, the offensive line and the return game.
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maybe there twins!!!!!!

[WinnipegRaven]

[quote name='cursona pirate' timestamp='1289591098' post='538996']
your making a huge mistake posting this
we were not outplayed at all
we almost one!
joe flacco did very well in the game!
i would pick him over matt ryan a game thats coming down in to the last minute!
[/quote]

we got SMOKED in the 1st half... outplayed doesn't even start to define how poorly we played the first 30 mins.

we almost "won"

Joe played well in the 2nd half, not so good in the first. He really needs to go through his reads better, but also needs better protection to achieve this. It seems like he fixates on his #1 option and its almost like its pre-determined at times that he is going to throw to that #1 option, even though its vs double coverage.

Do you know how many come back wins Matt Ryan has in the 4th/OT?

[darklight1216]

[quote name='WinnipegRaven' timestamp='1289591590' post='539015']
we got SMOKED in the 1st half... outplayed doesn't even start to define how poorly we played the first 30 mins.

we almost "won"

Joe played well in the 2nd half, not so good in the first. He really needs to go through his reads better, but also needs better protection to achieve this. It seems like he fixates on his #1 option and its almost like its pre-determined at times that he is going to throw to that #1 option, even though its vs double coverage.

[b]Do you know how many come back wins Matt Ryan has in the 4th/OT?[/b]
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Baltimore makes eleven.

[JohnJohnson]

Joe is a gunslinger at heart. They still haven't cut him loose, he's not able to be himself.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='WinnipegRaven' timestamp='1289591590' post='539015']
we got SMOKED in the 1st half... outplayed doesn't even start to define how poorly we played the first 30 mins.

we almost "won"

Joe played well in the 2nd half, not so good in the first. He really needs to go through his reads better, but also needs better protection to achieve this. It seems like he fixates on his #1 option and its almost like its pre-determined at times that he is going to throw to that #1 option, even though its vs double coverage.

Do you know how many come back wins Matt Ryan has in the 4th/OT?
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As terrible as NFL Network is for broadcasting games, they actually showed in the first half on Flacco's pressures when he got flushed out of the pocket or sacked a camera view from the endzone that showed Joe's eyes moving around the field going through his progressions. He may not make them as fast as ideally you want, but he also had zero time the first half. His second TD pass to Mason Joe started from his left and went all the way to the other side of the field to hit Mason.

[Rinbee]

[quote name='cursona pirate' timestamp='1289591098' post='538996']
your making a huge mistake posting this
we were not outplayed at all
we almost one!
joe flacco did very well in the game!
i would pick him over matt ryan a game thats coming down in to the last minute!
[/quote]

A mistake? I'm expressing an opninion which I believe is the purpose of these boards. I've noticed on this board that there are those who think Flacco has already achieved franchise status and should not be critsized and there are those who critisize him for every little mistake and want him replaced. Not too many in between. I simply pointed out a [b]simple fact[/b][i][/i] in response to another post -- interceptions do affect games and Flacco's was laid out there for the picking. This is a problem that has plagued Flacco since he started playing. This is a fundamental mistake he has to fix because it has cost games in the past and played a role last night. He's gotten better, but these mistakes, like all mistakes should be pointed out and dealt with. You prefer Flacco over Ryan for a lst minute drive -- that's yor preference. I said nothing about picking Ryan over Flacco. Maybe you should read and understand what someone is saying before responding.

You don't like the Flacco criticism posts? Don't read them. Start one for Webb or Suggs or Harbs or anyone of yoru choosing or a "I love Flacco" post.

By the way, it's "almost won", not one, and almost does not get you into the playoffs. This is not pop warner or HS football.