Flacco Criticism Thread

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1289538267' post='537613']
Ignorance. We shut down their running game and he Ryan through a lot of smart, accurate passes. Give the guy credit. Captain Comebacks are good and all but I rather have a guy that can win it in the first 58 minutes.



P.S. I love Boldin. I love his energy and how he is the Ray Lewis of our offense.
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Except Matt Ryan didnt have the game won in the first 58 minutes evidently.

[Brit_Ravens_Fan]

How can we blame flacco for this one please tell me he made some mistakes but the 2nd half he played really good the cbs and o-line did not show up also Falcons <profanity> our O-line all 1st Half

Flacco haters showing up again

[Trilogique]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1289538267' post='537613']
Ignorance. We shut down their running game and he Ryan through a lot of smart, accurate passes. Give the guy credit. Captain Comebacks are good and all but I rather have a guy that can win it in the first 58 minutes.



P.S. I love Boldin. I love his energy and how he is the Ray Lewis of our offense.
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our defense looked ABYSMAL and let Ryan torch us. and our terrible offensive line didn't do anything.

the fact you are judging Flacco off a 3 TD 1 INT game with that bad offensive line and awful defense of ours is hypocritical. Flacco played great today with the exception of that awful INT.

[atljbo]

I'm glad you guys got a chance to see Matty Ice.... Both QB's showed they are the future.... Matt Ryan has ice in his veins tho.


Dont get me wrong i like our fast D (Falcons) but everybody picked you guys D because you guys have a great D... Matt Ryan was just amazing.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Trilogique' timestamp='1289538229' post='537608']
you just made the case as to why I blame the loss. I'm confused, lol.
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Wait, you thought the refs should have overturned the pass to Jenkins and not thrown a flag on Gooden?

[Alexir]

[quote name='Trilogique' timestamp='1289538634' post='537670']
our defense looked ABYSMAL and let Ryan torch us. and our terrible offensive line didn't do anything.

the fact you are judging Flacco off a 3 TD 1 INT game with that bad offensive line and awful defense of ours is ignorant to say the least.
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So for Flacco to succeed, and by all means I am just going off of your observations, he needs a great offensive line, a great defense AND the receivers we brought in this off season? Matt Ryan played a great game. Leave it at that.

[Trilogique]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1289538701' post='537678']
Wait, you thought the refs should have overturned the pass to Jenkins and not thrown a flag on Gooden?
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haha what? that was obviously PI.

I'm talking about the facemask, the questionable catch (though I believe more that it was a catch) and the no-call OPI on White's TD at the end

that being said, we shouldn't be relying on refs when we played awful football the 1st half.


[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1289538766' post='537685']
So for Flacco to succeed, and by all means I am just going off of your observations, he needs a great offensive line, a great defense AND the receivers we brought in this off season? Matt Ryan played a great game. Leave it at that.
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well yeah? you can be Peyton Manning all you want, but if your o-line sucks then what does it matter?

he did play great, and I won't deny it at all, but Flacco, with what he was given, played damn well in the 2nd half and I trust him fully with our team.

[Jamal]

Ryan was better today. But I still think they are both very equal.

Even though Ryan will get all the love now. The Manning and Brady comparisons are headed his way.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Trilogique' timestamp='1289538795' post='537692']
haha what? that was obviously PI.

I'm talking about the facemask, the questionable catch (though I believe more that it was a catch) and the no-call OPI on White's TD at the end

that being said, we shouldn't be relying on refs when we played awful football the 1st half.
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So how did I make the case? I'm confused now. LOL

I agree with your final statement though.

[Trilogique]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1289539032' post='537719']
So how did I make the case? I'm confused now. LOL

I agree with your final statement though.
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you bolded my statement where I said I blame this loss on our D then you said that I shouldn't because we would have won if we didn't have a soft defense. but that's why I blamed it on our defense =P

either way, our D played like crap today.

[JoeCool#5]

I would say Roddy White was better then our CBs. As far as Ryan and Flacco debate. I would say edge to Matt cause he was playing against our 2ndary and had time in the pocket.

What I liked how they attacked Grimes even after the INT and let up the next 3 TDs. What I REALLY liked was everyone in the dome knew Ravens had to pass the ball to get back in the game after being down 20-7 and there was nothing the Falcons D could do to stop the Ravens air attack. As the Ravens took the lead 21-20. Late.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1289538126' post='537590']
Save your fourth quarter comebacks and late TD's to make a statement about Flacco's leadership. That's something he should be doing ALL game, not late in the 4th with 5 minutes left. We're not a championship team, simple as that. Flacco needs to work on his mechanics and get the ball out faster, Cameron and Mattison need to be out of here after this season. The way we give up 80 yards and a score is just flat out embarrassing especially on prime time, albiet that should have been a penalty on White at the end. I've been huge on Flacco, love the kid. But it's time to stop protecting him. Let him audible, and slap the offensive line around to give him some time.

We let Matt Ryan go 80 damn yards against our defense? Webb looked horrible, Wilson looked worst, and Carr is slowly getting on my **** side again. Every time one of them were lined up against White, they allowed about a 12 yard cushion. Never have I been this mad over a loss, execute and you win games. Rice had ****** 12 carries, TWELVE for 59 yards. What does that tell you Cameron? I HATE seeing him rip off huge gains then we pass the next 5 times, LITERALLY, and we punt the ball away. Nothing can be fixed now, we're too late into the season. Only good thing is that we have a nice schedule after tonight, but you can kiss a SB goodbye if people don't get their heads out of their asses.
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I like your second paragraph .....

[Thanatos]

Matt Ryan is the next great NFL QB. Not comparing him to Flacco [i]<deleted>[/i]. Just stating a fact that should be obvious to anyone watching. As far as the 80 in 45 goes, don't feel bad. Matt has done this to several teams. Ask the Bears. You aren't even close when it comes to losing to Ryan at the end of a game. He drove the field as a rookie for a game winning FG against them in 13 seconds...

Oddly enough, he did it with that same "7" route to Jenkins that he hit him on tonight.

I like[i]<Deleted>[/i] Flacco. He has a huge arm and he's a good fit for what you[i]< no name calling>[/i] do. He'd be alot better with a receiver who could get more than 15yds downfield.. just sayin

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Thanatos' timestamp='1289543964' post='538063']
Matt Ryan is the next great NFL QB. Not comparing him to Flacco <>. Just stating a fact that should be obvious to anyone watching. As far as the 80 in 45 goes, don't feel bad. Matt has done this to several teams. Ask the Bears. You aren't even close when it comes to losing to Ryan at the end of a game. He drove the field as a rookie for a game winning FG against them in 13 seconds...

Oddly enough, he did it with that same "7" route to Jenkins that he hit him on tonight.

I like <> Flacco. He has a huge arm and he's a good fit <>. He'd be alot better with a receiver who could get more than 15yds downfield.. just sayin
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Your opinions are very valid sir.

[Thanatos]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1289544533' post='538081']
Your opinions are very valid sir.
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Hm. Hey, why are words being added into my posts? Like in what you quoted? The word 'hate' is inserted, but I didn't put it there. On another post, 'but you suck' was added in. Do you guys have a hacker problem?

Pretty strange..

[Moderator 2]

Its in your original too, I just got it in a reported post since it is against our Code of Conduct and warnable

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Thanatos' timestamp='1289544663' post='538087']
Hm. Hey, why are words being added into my posts? Like in what you quoted? The word 'hate' is inserted, but I didn't put it there. On another post, 'but you suck' was added in. Do you guys have a hacker problem?

Pretty strange..
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Now you're lying?



Troll

[jordan4523]

ummmm,ryan was better tonight??? what game were you watching????????????? flacco had a better rating,way better completion% and threw 3 td's in a half...if flacco would have thrown 50 times what do you think his numbers would have been?? ryan is a dink n dunk qb,5 yard passes and thats his game...when he needs to throw 15+ he sucks,the horrible overthrow on a wide open rec.streaking down field comes to mind...keep in mind,take away 2 questionable plays in the last drive and that removes like 40 yards from his 316 on 48 passes,very bad numbers...not impressed with dinkers.with the protection he was getting he should have been going downfield all day long,not his game...dink,dink,dink....

[3-4ravdef509]

Our O line did **** in the first half guys, let's get real. Flacco did what he could but even the NFL analysts saw that he had very little time, and no one was getting open. Flacco threw a dumb pick but he fricken brought our team back from nothing and handed the game over to our defense, and they let him down. All year you've all been saying Joe's gotta finish games, play well late to put us in position to win. He DID EXACTLY THAT! I'm sorry, but no quarterback will ever ever ever just play extremely well and score points all day long when you're playing a short week game against a good team at their stadium with shotty protection. This isn't a personal attack, it's the trrust. You all sicken me. Flacco showed me last night why we drafted him. He took something out of nothing and gave us what should have been a win, and didn't let the bad o line or INT ge in his head. This guy really is Joe Cool, and he IS our franchise qb, and more than ever I'm convinced he will be an elite qb. Matty Ice had everything going for him, minus a consistent running game. He had all day to throw, wide openplayers (first touchdown for example, as well as the last touchdown). He had the refs playing to his favor. Matt was at home. He was put in positionn to succeed, a position that made it easy for him to throw te ball. Flacco was running for his life, with no one open, and trying to take on the league's new golden child in Ryan. Don't get me wrong, Ryan played great, and is a good qb. But Flacco had a much bigger plate in front of him. All of you who continue to expect perfection out of him and seem to just give up on him...I really have nothing to say to you more than this: grow up. t's a tough pill to swallow, but our defense lost us the game. OUR DEFENSE. Flacco did what was expected, Webb, Carr, Wilson and Washington failed. Move on to next week, and expect great thing from Joe. This guy is a football player, and one hell of a quarterback. Flacco > Ryan all the way.

[darklight1216]

I wonder what you guys would be saying if the defense had been good enough to get off the field and not blow a fourth quarter lead like they used to.

That said, although I do think Matt Ryan played quite well, I can only be so impressed when I think about the Ravens performance against him. He was hardly ever under pressure so it's not surprising that he looked like he was in control.

[reed20]

Flacco did all he could, even with pressure in his face he was able to pull off a game winning drive that our defense wasnt able to secure.


Behold the new Ravens, topsy turvy of the previous decade. Our offense is now better than the defense and thats whats wining us games.

[Marc2k6]

Well Flacco is no Matt Ryan, that is for sure!

[jaege]

I have been critical of Joe over this season, but this game was not on him. He played fine when there wasnt a Falcon running him down, and for the breif periods he actually was on the field. The problems were the Oline providing almost no protection (which has been a problem for several games now) and the defense not pulling thier weight. At the end the D only had to hold Ryan for 70 seconds, but let him score in 40. 40 seconds for a TD. They played that way all game. This loss is on the D.

[bdravens]

[quote name='PurpleChaos' timestamp='1289529566' post='535850']
Ryan > Flacco
I see intensity and leadership versus a deer caught in the headlights when under pressure

Save the stats I don't care. Merely meaningless numbers

I'll root for Joe because he's on my team but it is what it is
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Lmao. You guys are ridiculous. This guy led us back into the game, almost single handedly except for his receivers because his offensive line was somewhere else, and his defense could stop the Falcons. I guarantee if our defense had made a stop at the end, this thread wouldn't have happened.

[berad]

Ryan and Flacco played identical games. Near mirror images of each other.. Only difference was that Ryan had 50 attempts and didn't have Jonathan Babineaux or John Abraham on his back every snap.

Joe Flacco played a good game last night. Anyone denying that is only kidding themselves. We had far bigger problems than a couple of overthrows - namely, the offensive line and the return game.

[RedFire]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1289538126' post='537590']
Save your fourth quarter comebacks and late TD's to make a statement about Flacco's leadership. That's something he should be doing ALL game, not late in the 4th with 5 minutes left. We're not a championship team, simple as that. Flacco needs to work on his mechanics and get the ball out faster, Cameron and Mattison need to be out of here after this season. The way we give up 80 yards and a score is just flat out embarrassing especially on prime time, albiet that should have been a penalty on White at the end. I've been huge on Flacco, love the kid. But it's time to stop protecting him. Let him audible, and slap the offensive line around to give him some time.

We let Matt Ryan go 80 damn yards against our defense? Webb looked horrible, Wilson looked worst, and Carr is slowly getting on my **** side again. Every time one of them were lined up against White, they allowed about a 12 yard cushion. Never have I been this mad over a loss, execute and you win games. Rice had ****** 12 carries, TWELVE for 59 yards. What does that tell you Cameron? I HATE seeing him rip off huge gains then we pass the next 5 times, LITERALLY, and we punt the ball away. Nothing can be fixed now, we're too late into the season. Only good thing is that we have a nice schedule after tonight, but you can kiss a SB goodbye if people don't get their heads out of their asses.
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You realize Ben Rothlisberger won a superbowl only playing well in the 4th quarter for an entire season and was highly praised? and ben holds on the ball longer than anyone else in the league. Sorry flacco is a product of AFC North football in which you tend to hold the ball longer as a QB. And since flacco can't control too much of the play calling....he can't swith to the shotgun and less developing routes.

And you all realized micheal jordan scored most of his points in the 4th quarter during his 2nd 3peat? Joe has a good cluctch factor that people crapped on him during his 1st and 1/2 seasons. Whens the last time we suffered a blowout loss on the joe flacco watch?

[TSizzle00]

Way to throw in the towel, at least Flacco helped the team take the lead at the end.

[Marc2k6]

When I said Flacco is no Matt Ryan, to me it is more about what Matt Ryan has been tought to do and allowed to do on the football field. He is in command of that offense and Flacco it seem is not in total control at the fault of the coaching staff not his. Plus just a little blocking may have helped also.

[jdynamite]

This thread should be deleted!!

Bulger isnt the answer go look at his last 4 years of football he was a tackling dummy because he holds the ball long.. People whine for Bulger who played with a great Offense in St.Louis but only had average numbers at best....

( This is the third time that we took the lead or had the lead in 4th qtr in a road game and the defense has given up the score to lose, regardless of penalties or non-penalties, they still gave it up)

[12th man]

My take on the game.
Another slow start from Flacco and offence ,rice running seemed to work i think we should have went with more of that in the beginning to get Joe going since he starts off sooo slow and can't make correct throws it seems that when rice is running 7-8 or so yards a carry than go with what is hot ( cam). we would have kept possition more than 8 minutes in a half which bring me to defence after 18 minutes or so in first half play no wonder defence was washed up, I was actually supriced the D had anything left. D play calling was subspect again.3-4th Qt finally got better for us and Joe made a nice TD with 50 seconds left but D had nothing left in it's tank. So this game comes down to all, starting off win coaches, joe and defence, i know i didn't put in there offencive line yes they didn't play well but if Joe is going to be the future QB he has to learn that not every line is going to hold ,you have to work it out step up and make the throws, get the ball out faster and that my friend is on joe. let's face it any QB and i mean any QB that has a great offencive line that always give you time wil be great but that's not the way it is all great- good QB find a way to win. Either the coaches and QB get on the same page and figure out what needs to be done than houston we have a problem