Cody Moved Ahead Of Mckinney

[Ed_Reed20]

I just saw this on Rotoworld and with all the talk about the run D struggling and people clamoring for Cody to see more playing time, I felt like sharing the info:

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?id=5770&sport=NFL

[berad]

Is he the starter? Or is he just starting ahead of McKinney?

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[url="http://twitter.com/RavensInsider/status/1837452012552192"]Aaron Wilson Tweet[/url]

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Plus, rookie nose guard Terrence Cody now is listed ahead of Brandon McKinney, who had started four games before being scratched against MIA
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The "plus" is referring to a previous tweet. David Reed is now the #1 KR and Lardarius Webb is the #1 PR. And, I don't know, looks to me like he is still behind Gregg on the depth chart - I think rotoworld might be mistaken.

[-Truth-]

He'll certainly be of use against that #33 pinball. Hopefully he doesn't disappoint.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1289278961' post='532700']
Is he the starter? Or is he just starting ahead of McKinney?

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[url="http://twitter.com/RavensInsider/status/1837452012552192"]Aaron Wilson Tweet[/url]
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You're right. Rotoworld initially stated Cody was the starter but have seemingly updated their report to match what Wilson said.

Cody has a lot to learn but with how often Gregg and Redding are getting washed out or rag-dolled, I'd consider putting him on th field more.

[berad]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1289279211' post='532705']
You're right. Rotoworld initially stated Cody was the starter but have seemingly updated their report to match what Wilson said.

Cody has a lot to learn but with how often Gregg and Redding are getting washed out or rag-dolled, I'd consider putting him on th field more.
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Agreed. I'll alter the title. Glad to see him moving up and, hopefully, receiving for playing time. He's shown his power, at times, but shown his inexperience at others. He's a big man and definitely a run-stopper and a lane-clogger.

[Jamal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPmb0F00YPE&feature=player_embedded

[Bltravens]

Im actually in the middle of watching the film right now, and Redding on that first drive was just wow. To those who say Mattison doesnt make adjustments, we actually flipped Redding and Ngata on the line to stop them from running between the G and T right at Redding. Redding gets just ruthlessly mauled on the TD run by Brown. Gregg actually does a really good job this first drive at the point of contact, halting the Cs momentum on multiple occasions. Cody gets knocked back on the 3rd and 1 run for 1 yard but again hes lined up at DE and I cant understand that for the life of me and its happened ALOT on the film I've watched with Cody. I really dont know why Mattison doesnt put him at NT and move Gregg outside.

[BloodRaven]

Redding is looking more and more like a 3rd down rusher, I'm glad someone noticed him get crushed by Vernon Carey on that TD run.

I don't understand the McKinney/Cody situation either, Cody is 6'5" and still has to work on his pad level so I don't think he's ready to start yet, also, McKinney might not have good range (and no pass rush) but he's a wall against the run.

[JohnnyBoy8102]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1289283372' post='532758']
Im actually in the middle of watching the film right now, and Redding on that first drive was just wow. To those who say Mattison doesnt make adjustments, we actually flipped Redding and Ngata on the line to stop them from running between the G and T right at Redding. Redding gets just ruthlessly mauled on the TD run by Brown. Gregg actually does a really good job this first drive at the point of contact, halting the Cs momentum on multiple occasions. Cody gets knocked back on the 3rd and 1 run for 1 yard but again hes lined up at DE and I cant understand that for the life of me and its happened ALOT on the film I've watched with Cody. I really dont know why Mattison doesnt put him at NT and move Gregg outside.
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Didn't Redding getting manhandled allowed their Oline to get to Ray as well?

Also, wasn't Kruger in on the 1st few plays? Or was that a figment of my imagination?

[Bltravens]

[quote name='JohnnyBoy8102' timestamp='1289284673' post='532767']
Didn't Redding getting manhandled allowed their Oline to get to Ray as well?

Also, wasn't Kruger in on the 1st few plays? Or was that a figment of my imagination?
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Ya anytime in a 3-4 defense when the Dline gets manhandled Gs will sneak up and get on Ray, which is why its so important for the Dline to halt the Olines push at the LOS to give Ray lanes. Kruger doesnt come in until the 3rd downs on the first drive. Its Redding Gregg and Ngata with Cody mixed in there.

[Jamal]

At this point releasing Pryce was a mistake IMO. He was nowhere near the player he was in 06, but he never got man handled quite as much as Redding has gotten. He was a decent pass-rusher, and solid against the run.

[berad]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1289317967' post='532915']
At this point releasing Pryce was a mistake IMO. He was nowhere near the player he was in 06, but he never got man handled quite as much as Redding has gotten. He was a decent pass-rusher, and solid against the run.
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Were we watching the same Trevor Pryce? The only thing noteworthy he has done all season was be cut and injure a kicker.

[BloodRaven]

Redding is better than Pryce (which isn't saying much) but he's a step down from Dwan Edwards.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1289283372' post='532758']
Im actually in the middle of watching the film right now, and Redding on that first drive was just wow. To those who say Mattison doesnt make adjustments, we actually flipped Redding and Ngata on the line to stop them from running between the G and T right at Redding. Redding gets just ruthlessly mauled on the TD run by Brown. Gregg actually does a really good job this first drive at the point of contact, halting the Cs momentum on multiple occasions. Cody gets knocked back on the 3rd and 1 run for 1 yard but again hes lined up at DE and I cant understand that for the life of me and its happened ALOT on the film I've watched with Cody. I really dont know why Mattison doesnt put him at NT and move Gregg outside.
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Im not sure why Cody would be playing DE, unless its because Gregg uses much better technique at NT. Gregg has taken a lot of grief, but he is still playing hard. I wouldnt mind seeing Ngata, Gregg, and Cody out there to stuff the run.

[PuRock]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1289319402' post='532936']
Were we watching the same Trevor Pryce? The only thing noteworthy he has done all season was be cut and injure a kicker.
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Man we could've used that against the Patriots. Wes Welker is the backup kicker.

[Jamal]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1289319402' post='532936']
Were we watching the same Trevor Pryce? The only thing noteworthy he has done all season was be cut and injure a kicker.
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Have you been watching Redding this season?

Pryce is an average DE at this point, but hes a notch above Redding IMO.

Although at the end of the day, they both are average, maybe below average players, so either way, DE was going to be the weak link.

Whatever happen to Arthur Jones? I think we might as well try him out. He was going to be a second or third round pick at worst, if it wasn't for his injuries.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1289321365' post='532979']
Have you been watching Redding this season?

Pryce is an average DE at this point, but hes a notch above Redding IMO.

Although at the end of the day, they both are average, maybe below average players, so either way, DE was going to be the weak link.

[b]Whatever happen to Arthur Jones? I think we might as well try him out. He was going to be a second or third round pick at worst, if it wasn't for his injuries.[/b]
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Jones has been inactive every game this year. I know the coaches would never do this but I'd give him some playing time against the Panthers.

[berad]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1289321365' post='532979']
Have you been watching Redding this season?

Pryce is an average DE at this point, but hes a notch above Redding IMO.

Although at the end of the day, they both are average, maybe below average players, so either way, DE was going to be the weak link.

Whatever happen to Arthur Jones? I think we might as well try him out. He was going to be a second or third round pick at worst, if it wasn't for his injuries.
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Cory Redding hasn't played great, sure, but Pryce has been nonexistent. Redding has been solid in some games but struggled in others. I don't really think anyone can really make the claim that Pryce > Redding, not even Trevor. At absolute best, Pryce is a situational pass-rusher; he would get washed out on a running play. If you think Redding is getting worked, you haven't seen anything.

What has Trevor Pryce done recently to even earn the tag of "average"? He's a shell of what he once was, a shell of even the '09 Pryce that got benched. There's a reason the Ravens dropped Pryce.

If you're mad about letting a DE go, be mad about Dwan Edwards or Justin Bannan [i](even though he was a DT)[/i] leaving - both are far superior, against the run, than Redding and Pryce.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1289321901' post='532994']
Cory Redding hasn't played great, sure, but Pryce has been nonexistent. Redding has been solid in some games but struggled in others. I don't really think anyone can really make the claim that Pryce > Redding, not even Trevor. At absolute best, Pryce is a situational pass-rusher; he would get washed out on a running play. If you think Redding is getting worked, you haven't seen anything.

If you're mad about letting a DE go, be mad about Dwan Edwards or Justin Bannan [i](even though he was a DT)[/i] leaving - both are far superior, against the run, than Redding and Pryce.
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Anything is a step above Pryce.

Still, with Cody, Ngata, and Ray Lewis on the same team, I don't see how there's an excuse not to stop the run.

[TSizzle00]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1289322066' post='532999']
Anything is a step above Pryce.

Still, with Cody, Ngata, and Ray Lewis on the same team, I don't see how there's an excuse not to stop the run.
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Still takes a team effort to maintain all the gaps and wrap up the tackles. Ray Lewis in his prime wouldnt' be able to stop the run unless the Dline was doing their job. Ray can only do so much.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1289322066' post='532999']
Anything is a step above Pryce.

Still, with Cody, Ngata, and Ray Lewis on the same team, I don't see how there's an excuse not to stop the run.
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Cody has size but you need a lot more than that to be a top run-stuffer in the NFL. Haloti, Ray and Suggs are elite run stoppers but they aren't enough to maintain a strong run D.

[BloodRaven]

I think our best front for 1st and 2nd downs are:

Ngata - McKinney - Gregg

[SnOoPy]

About time. He deserve more snaps! :]

[Jamal]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1289321901' post='532994']
Cory Redding hasn't played great, sure, but Pryce has been nonexistent. Redding has been solid in some games but struggled in others. I don't really think anyone can really make the claim that Pryce > Redding, not even Trevor. At absolute best, Pryce is a situational pass-rusher; he would get washed out on a running play. If you think Redding is getting worked, you haven't seen anything.

What has Trevor Pryce done recently to even earn the tag of "average"? He's a shell of what he once was, a shell of even the '09 Pryce that got benched. There's a reason the Ravens dropped Pryce.

If you're mad about letting a DE go, be mad about Dwan Edwards or Justin Bannan [i](even though he was a DT)[/i] leaving - both are far superior, against the run, than Redding and Pryce.
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I'm not really mad at letting him go. I'm more frustrated with the the huge hole we have at DE for the moment.

[Bltravens]

Edwards chasing the huge contract really hurt us this year. He was finally turning into a good player (5 years later) and was contributing to the team in all 3 downs at one point in the season. Money talks however.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1289323585' post='533017']
Edwards chasing the huge contract really hurt us this year. He was finally turning into a good player (5 years later) and was contributing to the team in all 3 downs at one point in the season. Money talks however.
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Agreed. I don't believe I'm saying this but the team could truly use him this year.

[Jamal]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1289323879' post='533022']
Agreed. I don't believe I'm saying this but the team could truly use him this year.
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It just doesn't feel right when you see RB's running right through our defense.

[flynismo]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1289319709' post='532945']<br />Redding is better than Pryce (which isn't saying much) but he's a step down from Dwan Edwards.<br />[/quote]

truth, and that isn't saying much either.
I dont understand why Redding has been given so much playing time since his arrival when he has proven himself to be a average player throughout his career. And I never understood the man love for him on these boards either. At least now people are starting to see what an utterly mediocre player Redding is.
Kruger looks to be 100%. There is NOTHING that Redding can do that Kruger can't do significantly better. Kruger is the only DL other than Ngata we have that is a legit 3 down player. He needs to be starting, not be used as a situational player.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1289325419' post='533044']
truth, and that isn't saying much either.
I dont understand why Redding has been given so much playing time since his arrival when he has proven himself to be a average player throughout his career. And I never understood the man love for him on these boards either. At least now people are starting to see what an utterly mediocre player Redding is.
Kruger looks to be 100%. [b]There is NOTHING that Redding can do that Kruger can't do significantly better. Kruger is the only DL other than Ngata we have that is a legit 3 down player. He needs to be starting, not be used as a situational player.[/b]
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Are you sure about all that man? Not that Redding has been lights out but save for the strip-sack that was waved off against Pittsbugh, I haven't noticed Kruger stand out at all.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1289322840' post='533012']<br />I'm not really mad at letting him go. I'm more frustrated with the the huge hole we have at DE for the moment.<br />[/quote]

we've needed to address DE for years, and keep neglecting it. When we brought in Pryce, our DE sucked (anthony weaver anyone?), but Pryce was supposed to buy us a year or two to draft and develop a guy.
For the last three years I've been waiting to do exactly that. We spent the 2007 draft revamping our offensive line instead (which I agree with and thought we did a great job of), but as an after thought we pick up Barnes, who most of us knew would never be a starter, especially not here.
2008 we played that draft to perfection, I loved every single pick we made, even Gooden (man, I really thought Gooden was a steal in the third..whoops) but we could have still went after a guy via FA.
2009, again...no love for DE. Unless you want to count Kruger, who played both OLB and DE in Utah. I dont count Kruger however, because he is a natural LB. He will have a better career playing LB. We just pulled a Madden with him (you gamers know what I'm talking about...what happens when you move a LB to DE?).
We passed on Peppers. Understandable, since he commands a ransom, not a salary, but he is one of thosee guys who can actually play up to that kind of contract. Him and Ngata together would have put a hurting on the league. Now we have Redding instead. But okay, maybe 2010 draft we'll finally address DE?
Not.

Not that it matters, but I am going to raise some ****** hell if we dont handle our business in this draft regarding DE. I mean I'm going TO on the forums lol (minus the suicide attempt). Yall going to start calling me Crynismo.
Ya hear that internet threat Oz? Do ya ? Huh?
I will become a message board cancer if I dont get my way!!!!