James Harrison

[Fifty Two]

I didn't think it was a bad hit, i don't think he was even flagged for it.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Fifty Two' timestamp='1288959122' post='527771']
I didn't think it was a bad hit, i don't think he was even flagged for it.
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I think he was, if not that hit, he was flagged for another for sure in that game.

[Ravens549]

He was flagged for it. Have you guys seen it in slow mo? How can you not see how he drops his helmet at the end? Its not about a late hit. It's about him dropping his helmet right before hitting Brees. Its not that his helmet was dropped, he purposely lowered his helmet right before the hit.
I think $20K is more than appropriate. In the same scale for most of us, this would be a $1000 fine= woopee.

[berad]

Harrison's paying the $95K - [color="#0000FF"][url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/29/nfl-rejects-james-harrisons-fine-appeals/"]LINK[/url][/color]

Harrison appealed the fines but the NFL ruled that he has to pay in full. His agent is such a dirtbag, it's even getting under my skin.

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“They did not reduce it,” Harrison’s agent Bill Parise told Bouchette. “They said it was multiple occurrences and called it an egregious act — that’s a big word isn’t it?”
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If he really wants to help his client, he'll stop making these stupid jabs at the NFL. If he thinks "egregious" is a difficult word, then I would want to see his law degree.

I'm glad to see the NFL take a stand on these hits and, specifically, James Harrison. The comments by he, the Steelers, and his agent have just been dumb. For the record, Goodell has nothing to do with the appeals process, so you can't hate on him.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1291075435' post='554467']
Harrison's paying the $95K - [color="#0000ff"][url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/29/nfl-rejects-james-harrisons-fine-appeals/"]LINK[/url][/color]

Harrison appealed the fines but the NFL ruled that he has to pay in full. His agent is such a dirtbag, it's even getting under my skin.



If he really wants to help his client, he'll stop making these stupid jabs at the NFL. If he thinks "egregious" is a difficult word, then I would want to see his law degree.

I'm glad to see the NFL take a stand on these hits and, specifically, James Harrison. The comments by he, the Steelers, and his agent have just been dumb. For the record, Goodell has nothing to do with the appeals process, so you can't hate on him.
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It's not just Harrison and his agent or the Steelers calling out the NFL front office. Players from many teams (including Ray Lewis) have done it. You can hate Harrison and the Steelers all you want, but he's not been guilty of everything he's been flagged or fined for. He's being targeted and while you may relish in that, it's still a crock and I've no doubt you'd be screaming bloody murder if it was a Raven.

[berad]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1291083800' post='554665']
It's not just Harrison and his agent or the Steelers calling out the NFL front office. Players from many teams (including Ray Lewis) have done it. You can hate Harrison and the Steelers all you want, [b]but he's not been guilty of everything he's been flagged or fined for[/b]. He's being targeted and while you may relish in that, it's still a crock and I've no doubt you'd be screaming bloody murder if it was a Raven.
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The NFL disagrees.

And, yep, I would be P-O'd if it was a Raven but that's just my fandom. I didn't even like my high schools colors because they were yellow [i]("gold")[/i] and black

It's just that Harrison will make himself a target by continuously taking shots at Goodell and the NFL, as an organization. His agent isn't doing him any favors.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1291084252' post='554676']
The NFL disagrees.

And, yep, I would be P-O'd if it was a Raven but that's just my fandom. I didn't even like my high schools colors because they were yellow [i]("gold")[/i] and black

It's just that Harrison will make himself a target by continuously taking shots at Goodell and the NFL, as an organization. His agent isn't doing him any favors.
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Don't care if the "NFL" disagrees; doesn't make them right. And the "NFL" consists these days of Roger Goodell and his little do-baders.

And Harrisons words should never make him a target for flags on the field, yet you may be right about that. Reinforces my disdain for Roger Goodell and his new view of NFL Football.

[Ravens549]

Wrong.
If Ray Lewis was doing this game after game after game as Harrison is...every fan of every team in the NFL would be crying bloody murder.
All I hear from Steelers fans is flag football, blah, blah, blah. Harrison blatantly said he wants to hurt people and continues to tackle in a manner he knows he will get penalized for. Its like Steelers fans can't see if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck... Or they choose not to....as long as they keep winning.

What ever happened to shoulder tackling?

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ravens549' timestamp='1291084610' post='554689']
Wrong.
If Ray Lewis was doing this game after game after game as Harrison is...every fan of every team in the NFL would be crying bloody murder.
All I hear from Steelers fans is flag football, blah, blah, blah. Harrison blatantly said he wants to hurt people and continues to tackle in a manner he knows he will get penalized for. Its like Steelers fans can't see if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck... Or they choose not to....as long as they keep winning.

What ever happened to shoulder tackling?
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Harrison also clearly stated that he did not want to injure anyone. That statement is no different than saying "Anyone who touches the ball is getting hit today." - R. Lewis. It's jst that Harrison isn't as eloquent.

And again, it's not just Steeler Nation talking about flag football. It's fans and players from every city with a team. Open your ears.

Harrison put his face mask right in Fitzpatrick's sternum. That is as legal as it gets.

[JohnJohnson]

Teams can still play a physical game, you just have to resist the temptation to hit someone above the chest area, or even close to the upper chest/chin area. A QB in the pocket and a defenseless receiver are protected. As Ravens fans, we are obviously not going to have sympathy for the Steelers. We have some sort of empathy, but this is a new type of penalty being enforced that we don't appear to have problems with. The NFL is asking players to be a little more civil when it comes to clear shots, meaning don't try to knock them out of the game. It is a money issue for the NFL, in more ways than one.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1291084880' post='554700']
Harrison also clearly stated that he did not want to injure anyone. That statement is no different than saying "Anyone who touches the ball is getting hit today." - R. Lewis. It's jst that Harrison isn't as eloquent.

And again, it's not just Steeler Nation talking about flag football. It's fans and players from every city with a team. Open your ears.

Harrison put his face mask right in Fitzpatrick's sternum. That is as legal as it gets.
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I agree with you that Harrison's tackle on Fitzpatrick was perfectly legal. Few things have irked me about the NFL in recent years as much as the way the league protects QBs. We saw Suggs penalized for a perfectly legal, form tackle on Carson Palmer earlier this season and it had a big impact on the game so I can sympathize there.

As for Harrison's comments about not wanting to "injure" people though, I'm pretty sure he followed that statement by saying he was fine with hurting people. Fair or not, a statement like that is going to get the league and maybe even the referees' attention.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1291085233' post='554710']
Teams can still play a physical game, you just have to resist the temptation to hit someone above the chest area, [b]or even close to the upper chest/chin area.[/b] A QB in the pocket and a defenseless receiver are protected. As Ravens fans, we are obviously not going to have sympathy for the Steelers. We have some sort of empathy, but this is a new type of penalty being enforced that we don't appear to have problems with. The NFL is asking players to be a little more civil when it comes to clear shots, meaning don't try to knock them out of the game. It is a money issue for the NFL, in more ways than one.
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That's the part I have a problem with. That and "any helmet-to-helmet contact" at all. It's going to happen and it does happen. Harrison is suddenly being targeted. If you look at the video, the ref threw the flag before Fitzpatrick hit the ground. I would not have expected a flag if a defender hit Ben like that.

If they don't want him to play, then kick him out of the league. But they're going to allow him to play, then they need to let him play.

[berad]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1291084570' post='554688']
Don't care if the "NFL" disagrees; doesn't make them right. And the "NFL" consists these days of Roger Goodell and his little do-baders.

And Harrisons words should never make him a target for flags on the field, yet you may be right about that. Reinforces my disdain for Roger Goodell and his new view of NFL Football.
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Doesn't matter if you, or Harrison, agree with the NFL. It's their game, their rules. You have to abide by it to play in their league and not lose your money. It's the reality.

And, for the record, the appeals process isn't run by Goodell. It's headed by a couple of former players, one being Gene Upshaw (I believe), and they've overturned a few NFL-imposed fines upon review. Obviously, Harrison's was not one of them.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291085565' post='554718']
I agree with you that Harrison's tackle on Fitzpatrick was perfectly legal. Few things have irked me about the NFL in recent years as much as the way the league protects QBs. We saw Suggs penalized for a perfectly legal, form tackle on Carson Palmer earlier this season and it had a big impact on the game.

As for Harrison's comments about not wanting to "injure" people though, I'm pretty sure he followed that statement by saying he was fine with hurting people. Fair or not, a statement like that is going to get the league and maybe even the referees' attention.
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It was clearly a bone head statement, but I have no doubt what he meant what he meant. Thank goodness he remembered to be clear about not injuring anyone.

I heard Trent Dilfer was even po'd about that flag.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1291085756' post='554725']
Doesn't matter if you, or Harrison, agree with the NFL. It's their game, their rules. You have to abide by it to play in their league and not lose your money. It's the reality.

And, for the record, the appeals process isn't run by Goodell. It's headed by a couple of former players, one being Gene Upshaw (I believe), and they've overturned a few NFL-imposed fines upon review. Obviously, Harrison's was not one of them.
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You think Goodell doesn't influence the appeals process?? Gene Upshaw is dead BTW.

And it will matter/does matter that the rest of the NFL and its fans disagree. Goodell does not have free reign over all his personal beliefs and he does listen to the fans (See 18 game season). For the final time, it's not just me, Harrison, his agent or the Steelers who are complaining.

[berad]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1291086021' post='554732']
You think Goodell doesn't influence the appeals process?? [b]Gene Upshaw is dead BTW.[/b]

And it will matter/does matter that the rest of the NFL and its fans disagree. Goodell does not have free reign over all his personal beliefs and he does listen to the fans (See 18 game season). For the final time, it's not just me, Harrison, his agent or the Steelers who are complaining.
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LMAO! Whoops then RIP, Gene, sorry!

In actuality, [color="#4B0082"][url="http://pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_711465.html"]Ted Cottrell[/url][/color] is the NFL appeals guy. And, yes, the appeals are set-up so that Goodell should not have an input. Unless you're suggesting the NFL, itself, is corrupted. Conspiracy theory stuff?

And, for now, those are the rules. I'm sure they'll refine them in the future. It's pretty obvious that I'm not a fan of Harrison's, so I'll enjoy it every time he gets a 15-yarder or donates a portion of his paycheck to charity.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1291085853' post='554727']
It was clearly a bone head statement, but I have no doubt what he meant what he meant. Thank goodness he remembered to be clear about not injuring anyone.

I heard Trent Dilfer was even po'd about that flag.
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I really don't know what he meant. What's the difference being injuring and hurting someone? Why not just come out and quote Clubber Lang and make your intentions known? Why try to make a distinction between hurting and injuring?

Dilfer is the man. He knows what clean hits on QBs are but isn't afraid to note the double standard the NFL appears to have regarding hits on high-profile QBs. He had a wonderful segment last year highlighting the minimal contact on some QBs refs throw flags for and the supposedly illegal shots some QBs take that aren't flagged.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291086775' post='554753']
I really don't know what he meant. What's the difference being injuring and hurting someone? Why not just come out and quote Clubber Lang and make your intentions known? Why try to make a distinction between hurting and injuring?

Dilfer is the man. He knows what clean hits on QBs are but isn't afraid to note the double standard the NFL appears to have regarding hits on high-profile QBs. He had a wonderful segment last year highlighting the minimal contact on some QBs refs throw flags for and the supposedly illegal shots some QBs take that aren't flagged.
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Injuring meaning knock a guy out of the game and threaten his career. Hurt meaning let him know he can't come to that side of the field because he'll get hit.

I'm pretty impressed with Dilfer too.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1291086961' post='554757']
Injuring meaning knock a guy out of the game and threaten his career. Hurt meaning let him know he can't come to that side of the field because he'll get hit.

I'm pretty impressed with Dilfer too.
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I figured that's what he meant. But to Goodell and others calling the shots, it'd be a reason to target him.

So am I.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1291087873' post='554802']
I figured that's what he meant. But to Goodell and others calling the shots, it'd be a reason to target him.

So am I.
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I would like to think Goodell is intelligent enough to know what he meant. Although, I'm learning Goodell isn't as intelligent as we may have been led to believe.

OT - Sometimes you have men like him who come along and all they care about is leaving their mark. To me, that's what he's all about; leaving his stamp on the NFL.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1291088147' post='554819']
I would like to think Goodell is intelligent enough to know what he meant. Although, I'm learning Goodell isn't as intelligent as we may have been led to believe.

OT - Sometimes you have men like him who come along and all they care about is leaving their mark. To me, that's what he's all about; leaving his stamp on the NFL.
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You might be right. Still, the owners and competition committee have been just as pivotal in making some of the rules we've seen that have "wussified" the league.

[1/28/01]

Have I completely missed what repercussions Harrison received for his latest "incident"?

[Bltravens]

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Have I completely missed what repercussions Harrison received for his latest "incident"?
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I didnt see the replay broken down and only saw the highlight once...but damn he annihilated Fitzpatrick, just flat out annihilated him.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1291146258' post='555282']
I didnt see the replay broken down and only saw the highlight once...but damn he annihilated Fitzpatrick, just flat out annihilated him.
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Yeah, he lit him up....Im just wondering whats going to happen to him since rumors were swirling of a suspension.

[flynismo]

Hopefully Triple HHH gets a healthy 2-3 game suspension for his blatant disrespect for the rules and already recieving multiple warnings and fines.Seriously, the guy needs to cut his crap before someone gets hurt. I know this is a man's game and all, but until everyone else is allowed to dish out helmet to helmets in retaliation, there's no room for this.

[flynismo]

100 clams says that Triple HHH dishes a helmet shot to a Raven this week. Will probably be his most blatant one of all.

[Polamaluisabeast_43]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1291151050' post='555331']
Hopefully Triple HHH gets a healthy 2-3 game suspension for his blatant disrespect for the rules and already recieving multiple warnings and fines.Seriously, the guy needs to cut his crap before someone gets hurt. I know this is a man's game and all, but until everyone else is allowed to dish out helmet to helmets in retaliation, there's no room for this.
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Dude the last 2 hits he had the last 2 weeks to both Campbell and Fitzpatrick were both completely legal hits. They said Harrison lead with the crown of his helmet with the Fitzpatrick hit on Sunday which is a complete bunch of BS if you look at the replay of that hit. I dont really care about the fines so much but these constant penalties each and every week that are costing the Steelers 15 yards at key points in the game when the hits Harrison is putting on these QB's are completely legal is getting beyond absurd...

[AwakenTheDemon]

[quote name='Polamaluisabeast_43' timestamp='1291151376' post='555339']
Dude the last 2 hits he had the last 2 weeks to both Campbell and Fitzpatrick were both completely legal hits. They said Harrison lead with the crown of his helmet with the Fitzpatrick hit on Sunday which is a complete bunch of BS if you look at the replay of that hit. I dont really care about the fines so much but these constant penalties each and every week that are costing the Steelers 15 yards at key points in the game when the hits Harrison is putting on these QB's are completely legal is getting beyond absurd...
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Oh stop your bellyaching about Pittsburgh penalties. News flash, you guys are not the only team getting penalties for hits. I guess this is how some Pittsburgh fans act after a history of getting questionable flags and calls that helped them over the years.

[1/28/01]

Text states $25k fine, but no suspension, per Pit Post Gazette

[thewarden86]

[quote name='AwakenTheDemon' timestamp='1291151713' post='555345']
Oh stop your bellyaching about Pittsburgh penalties. News flash, you guys are not the only team getting penalties for hits. I guess this is how some Pittsburgh fans act after [b]a history of getting questionable flags and calls that helped them over the years.[/b]
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That's YOUR account of our history. There's plenty of calls that have screwed us at key points as well. The reason you don't hear too much about a lot of them (especially in recent years) is because we've managed to overcome them.