The Deep Ball

[JayDaRavensFan]

Am I the only one that thinks Joe underthrows a lot of his deep throws. I know hes got an arm but I think we've drawn so many PI calls because the receiver is waiting for the ball and gets contacted before it gets there due to waiting. Does he need to throw it sooner, or with less arc or what? Thoughts?

[Ed_Reed20]

He doesn't step up and throws off his back football on most if his deep attempts.

I'll take the PI calls though.

[flynismo]

Funny thing is, you can almost always tell immediately if the pass is going to be completed or not the minute the ball leaves his hand...when you see the rainbow reaching for the sky, more often than not we're about to get a big play.I think sometimes he simply undertrhows the ball. Simple as that. Other times, it seems intentional. Guys like mason and heap (and now boldin) are great at beating defenders for the ball, so its possible that he picks on weaker defenders like that.I do want to see more consistency on his deep passes though. He makes some jaw dropping passes, and other times he misfires by several yards.I really dunno how to fix that. I'm not so sure it can be fixed with anything but experience.

[TSizzle00]

Its weird cause he was overthrowing people deep last season.

[Bltravens]

Three of the balls you may be complaining about were back shoulder throws to TJ and one to Mason and they were perfect throws. Exactly where they should be so that either the WR catches the ball or its flagged for PI. Neither time the WR had much separation so that it would have been a long run and catch.

[CapoRocky]

I'll take the PI calls rather than INTs any day. Flacco is throwing the ball well, but needs to stop staring down the receivers. I could replay the Housh TD in Pitt for the next year.

[Ravensdiciple96]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1288386875' post='523535']
Funny thing is, you can almost always tell immediately if the pass is going to be completed or not the minute the ball leaves his hand...when you see the rainbow reaching for the sky, more often than not we're about to get a big play.I think sometimes he simply undertrhows the ball. Simple as that. Other times, it seems intentional. Guys like mason and heap (and now boldin) are great at beating defenders for the ball, so its possible that he picks on weaker defenders like that.I do want to see more consistency on his deep passes though. He makes some jaw dropping passes, and other times he misfires by several yards.I really dunno how to fix that. I'm not so sure it can be fixed with anything but experience.
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Yeah I could tell last Sunday when he came out and sailed at least four passes over the heads of his targets. You are absolutely right about some of his jaw dropping passes, I know his rookie season I saw him throw into windows that were so small, it would make seasoned vets think twice before attempting. The kid has natural talent and it shows, sometimes it just takes a while for it to fully develope at the NFL level. I think he will become one the the "elite" QBs in the league, in his own right.

[T-Sizz]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1288386875' post='523535']
Funny thing is, you can almost always tell immediately if the pass is going to be completed or not the minute the ball leaves his hand...
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true that, man. Im like 95% on calling incompletes as joe throws them.

[Ngata92NT]

true that, man. I'm like 100% on calling completions after Boldin already caught them.

[benravens1]

[quote name='TSizzle00' timestamp='1288402728' post='523632']
Its weird cause he was overthrowing people deep last season.
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he might be thinking about that maybe? thats why he is underthrowing some of the balls this season.

i'll take the PI calls though, we're getting those on jump balls so even if they're caught we're probably not going to get any YAC anyway. i'm sure the receivers would rather make the catch to get the stats though. TJ in particular seems to draw big PI's but then not get the catches

[letsgoflacco]

[quote name='Ngata92NT' timestamp='1288466552' post='523857']
true that, man. I'm like 100% on calling completions after Boldin already caught them.
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HAHAHA thank you.

I dunno... I haven't really noticed. lolol. I guess I will have to pay attention to it. That throw to Boldin in the endzone was a beautiful rainbow. It is nice that Joe has learned that he can get PI called on the defenders. Those are nice to see, makes me feel like he is maturing. haha.

[Jabara]

[quote name='JayDaRavensFan' timestamp='1288386271' post='523523']
Am I the only one that thinks Joe underthrows a lot of his deep throws. I know hes got an arm but I think we've drawn so many PI calls because the receiver is waiting for the ball and gets contacted before it gets there due to waiting. Does he need to throw it sooner, or with less arc or what? Thoughts?
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Not at all. Joe throws a great deep ball.
In fact this is the opposite of what most people complain about Flacco, but I guess everyone complains no matter what.
Joe does not underthrow a deep pass at all.
And if you are worried about PI calls, they are mostly created.
Housh knows how to create them, it's like basketball or soccer. Fouls can be created to throw off the other team, like Manning might do, to get a defense to jump.
Same principle basically.
With the PI during the Bills game, Housh created that, he saw that he could catch the ball, but as being a receiver would do, he is also looking for a PI if it's a jump ball.
Housh could have caught that, no doubt, but given the way he was played he could not only have caught it but set himself up for the PI call. I'm not saying he didn't want to catch it.
That's not about Joe, that's about Housh making a great play by either catching the ball or getting the PI call, as he did.
Penalties are manufactured in the NFL just like any other sport.
If anything Joe overthrows the ball, sometimes, and that is because he is tall and has a strong arm.
[i]Hey Ravens fans, Joe Flacco is a good NFL QB![/i]
It's actually true. Joe throws one of the, if not the best, deep ball.
You can see this year he has been able to hit his receiver in stride to gain yards after the catch, which is hard for both the passer and receiver.
Joes ability to hit Boldin in stride is amazing.
If there is one thing Joe doesn't do, it's underthrow a deep pass.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1288510886' post='524015']
Not at all. Joe throws a great deep ball.
In fact this is the opposite of what most people complain about Flacco, but I guess everyone complains no matter what.
Joe does not underthrow a deep pass at all.
And if you are worried about PI calls, they are mostly created.
Housh knows how to create them, it's like basketball or soccer. Fouls can be created to throw off the other team, like Manning might do, to get a defense to jump.
Same principle basically.
With the PI during the Bills game, Housh created that, he saw that he could catch the ball, but as being a receiver would do, he is also looking for a PI if it's a jump ball.
Housh could have caught that, no doubt, but given the way he was played he could not only have caught it but set himself up for the PI call. I'm not saying he didn't want to catch it.
That's not about Joe, that's about Housh making a great play by either catching the ball or getting the PI call, as he did.
Penalties are manufactured in the NFL just like any other sport.
If anything Joe overthrows the ball, sometimes, and that is because he is tall and has a strong arm.
[i]Hey Ravens fans, Joe Flacco is a good NFL QB![/i]
It's actually true. Joe throws one of the, if not the best, deep ball.
You can see this year he has been able to hit his receiver in stride to gain yards after the catch, which is hard for both the passer and receiver.
Joes ability to hit Boldin in stride is amazing.
If there is one thing Joe doesn't do, it's underthrow a deep pass.
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I appreciate your enthusiasm and love for Joe, but go watch some clips. The reason for the underthrows this year is due to his mechanics of throwing off of his back foot. If you're not seeing it, I don't know what to tell you.

Oh, and to think Housh (or any receiver for that matter) would instead draw a PI penalty when they could have caught the ball is preposterous!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1288533017' post='524032']
I appreciate your enthusiasm and love for Joe, but go watch some clips. The reason for the underthrows this year is due to his mechanics of throwing off of his back foot. If you're not seeing it, I don't know what to tell you.

Oh, and to think Housh (or any receiver for that matter) would instead draw a PI penalty when they could have caught the ball is preposterous!
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Quoted for truth.

[purple.n.black]

That is why on the flea flicker he was accurate. He had already set his foot after he handed the ball off. Had it been just a regular deep pass throw he might have thrown off his back foot.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='purple.n.black' timestamp='1288549528' post='524085']
That is why on the flea flicker he was accurate. He had already set his foot after he handed the ball off. Had it been just a regular deep pass throw he might have thrown off his back foot.
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Bingo

[theFRANCHISE]

In most cases, I prefer the deep ball to be overthrown than underthrown, at least in the case where there isn't a defender deep to handily pick the ball off. Underthrowing passes makes you more prone to picks when there's defenders that aren't able to go stride-for-stride and fall behind.

[jusraven]

[quote name='JayDaRavensFan' timestamp='1288386271' post='523523']
Am I the only one that thinks Joe underthrows a lot of his deep throws. I know hes got an arm but I think we've drawn so many PI calls because the receiver is waiting for the ball and gets contacted before it gets there due to waiting. Does he need to throw it sooner, or with less arc or what? Thoughts?
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No, you are not the only one to notice the number of under thrown deep balls. It happens when he get too much air underneath.