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[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1288287376' post='522893']
Right now you really can't compare the Ravens and Steelers by schedule. The Ravens have had the toughest schedule of any of the top AFC teams. Counting the last preseason game, the Ravens have been on the road 5 out of the last 8 weeks. Now i don't care who you are, having to travel 5 times in a 2 month span takes it toll on anyone. Add that to the fact that those men had to play physical football games, added to the fact that every game was again a potential Playoff/Super Bowl caliber team, you can kind of understand why the Ravens' players looked sluggish against the Bills.

The Ravens would never make any excuses and i don't wanna make any for them, but even a blind man could see how necessary this bye week is for them. Did they play as well as many people expected vs teams like the Browns and Bills? No but they found a way to win.

As for you guys, lets not act like you didn't have your problems with the Browns led by a rookie making his first start. You guys scored a garbage TD, where you could have just tried to run the clock out, but i guess they wanted to pad Ben's stats, and it was a muffed punt by a Cleveland return, not named Cribbs, that gave you guys the ball on the 13 yard line. That was a 14-3 game late and McCoy was finding ways to move the ball on that 24th ranked secondary.

Now just like the Ravens you guys found a way to win, but lets not act like everything has been smooth sailings for you guys this year. I don't wanna make it seem like I'm saying you're not a good team because you are, but your schedule is about to get a bit tougher and the Steelers will have to prove that they are as good as everyone thinks. Because up to this point, you guys haven't really be playing any elite teams other then us and Ten.

The Steelers are about to be forced to play 3 straight road games, have 3 straight night games, and even though the Bengals don't appear to be good this year, we all know how tough AFC North games are. I'm sure nothing would make their season better then to get their passing attack going vs your seemingly weak secondary and get back into the AFC picture.

It's gonna be fun to see how things play out between the Steelers and the Ravens before the December showdown.
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Falcons are a pretty good team they are 5-2 and the Steelers beat them with Dennis Dixon at QB, and Tampa Bay while nobody might consider them elite they still have a winning record at 4-2, and winning down in Miami is never an easy task seeing that the Dolphins are a pretty good team as well and have won games in both Minnesota and Green Bay this season.

As far as the Bengals are concerned I am actually rooting for them to win this game this week against the Dolphins at home so that they are not on a 4 game losing streak when the Steelers play them next week on Monday night. The Bengals let's face it they MUST win these next 2 games at home against the Dolphins and the Steelers if they are to have any chance what so ever of competing for any kind of playoff spot. A loss this week to the Dolphins puts them at 2-5 and in the AFC if you are 2-5 this year on Halloween you can pretty much say goodnight to any chance of making the playoffs. The Bengals simply just do not know how to handle success. Owens and Ocho would much rather worry about having their own reality TV show then actually going out and keeping their mouth shut and playing football. Both of these guys are cancers and as long as one or the other are on the Bengals they will not even sniff having a chance to make the Super Bowl like they always talk about time and time again.
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I knew the division was going to shape up like this... this is why the loss to NE hurt so freaking bad!!! That game has tie-breaker implications all over it, as do the PIT/NYJ and possibly the HOU game.
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The game the Steelers had with the Browns the outcome was never in doubt like the game the Ravens had with the Browns where they were losing with 7 mins left in the 4th quarter and needed the late TD from Boldin to seal the victory. The Steelers controlled the tempo and the game for the most part, and while McCoy did look decent for his first NFL start and did make a lot of nice throws and plays the Browns offense never really had any legit scoring chances in this game. I really dont care if the Steelers are ranked 24th against the pass the only defensive stat that matters to me and should matter is points allowed and the Steelers have allowed only 82 points through 6 games. So while teams are throwing the ball on them and picking up big chunks of yards the Steelers are still not letting teams score TD's and are keeping them out of the end zone. The Steelers have only allowed 4 passing TD's so far this season and 6 TD's overall through 6 games and I dont care how many passing yards youre giving up if you are putting up numbers like that allowing an average of 1 touchdown per game youre going to win a lot more times then you lose. Nobody has also been able to run on the Steelers either. Ask some of the best runners in the game like Michael Turner,Chris Johnson,Ray Rice,Ronnie Brown,and even Peyton Hillis they all went nowhere trying to run the ball against the Steelers. So my point here is the Steelers can give up a bunch of passing yards and be ranked 24th in the league as long as they keep bending some and dont break and hold teams out of the end zone like they have been doing they are going to be fine and win a lot more games...
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[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1288239014' post='522629']
Ah yes, we get screwed out of division lead because of some homer ref from pittsburgh couldn't keep the whistle out of his mouth....
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Not really it's not the refs fault that Miami had to settle for 2 FG's instead of scoring 2 TD's early in the first quarter when the Steelers fumbled the opening kickoff and then the next possession Ben fumbled the ball. It's not the refs fault that Sanders returned a kick to midfield after the Dolphins were up 22-20 to set the Steelers up on that drive, or that Mewelde Moore caught a 3rd and 5 check down pass for 20-25 yards to put the ball inside the 15 yard line... It's also not the Steelers fault that Miami despite giving up the FG and trailing 23-22 got the ball back with 2:18 left on the clock with plenty of time to get into FG range to win the game and couldnt do it because they had horrific play calling and the Steelers defense shut them down. The bottom line is good teams find ways to overcome calls and win still win the game and Miami failed to get the job done and **** the bed when the game was on the line in the last 5 mins.
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[quote name='Polamaluisabeast_43' timestamp='1288292648' post='522941']
The game the Steelers had with the Browns the outcome was never in doubt like the game the Ravens had with the Browns where they were losing with 7 mins left in the 4th quarter and needed the late TD from Boldin to seal the victory. The Steelers controlled the tempo and the game for the most part, and while McCoy did look decent for his first NFL start and did make a lot of nice throws and plays the Browns offense never really had any legit scoring chances in this game. I really dont care if the Steelers are ranked 24th against the pass the only defensive stat that matters to me and should matter is points allowed and the Steelers have allowed only 82 points through 6 games. So while teams are throwing the ball on them and picking up big chunks of yards the Steelers are still not letting teams score TD's and are keeping them out of the end zone. The Steelers have only allowed 4 passing TD's so far this season and 6 TD's overall through 6 games and I dont care how many passing yards youre giving up if you are putting up numbers like that allowing an average of 1 touchdown per game youre going to win a lot more times then you lose. Nobody has also been able to run on the Steelers either. Ask some of the best runners in the game like Michael Turner,Chris Johnson,Ray Rice,Ronnie Brown,and even Peyton Hillis they all went nowhere trying to run the ball against the Steelers. So my point here is the Steelers can give up a bunch of passing yards and be ranked 24th in the league as long as they keep bending some and dont break and hold teams out of the end zone like they have been doing they are going to be fine and win a lot more games...
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This is the NFL, not the NCAA. Style points don't matter, we were credited for the same about of wins by beating the Browns as you guys were. 1 win. You can say what you want, but without Josh Cribb and led by a rookie QB, the Browns played you guys much closer then you are leading on.

i get the feeling by reading your post that you think i called the Steelers defense overrated or something, i didn't and they aren't. All of your wins have been well earned, nobody is taking that away from you. However, the neither the Falcons nor the Bucs are nearly as good as the top teams in the AFC. Also, if you don't think that playing the Dolphins, Saints, Bengals, and Patriots will be the hardest 4 game stretch you've had all season, then you are kidding yourself. 3 of those games are on the road, and the last one is against the Pats, which will be a playoff type game. It could go either way.

Each one of those teams are armed with QBs and passing attacks that can really expose that seemingly suspect secondary and the lack of pass rush you guys have been getting this year. Will they do it? who knows.

Brees, Palmer, Brady none of those guys are playing lights out this year by far, but each one of those guys has the ability and the weapons to get hot against any defense and that Steelers defense is no different. Will it happen? that's why they play the game, but if anyone thinks the Steelers can breathe easy over the next 3 weeks, think again.
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[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1288295617' post='522977']
This is the NFL, not the NCAA. Style points don't matter, we were credited for the same about of wins by beating the Browns as you guys were. 1 win. You can say what you want, but without Josh Cribb and led by a rookie QB, the Browns played you guys much closer then you are leading on.

i get the feeling by reading your post that you think i called the Steelers defense overrated or something, i didn't and they aren't. All of your wins have been well earned, nobody is taking that away from you. However, the neither the Falcons nor the Bucs are nearly as good as the top teams in the AFC. Also, if you don't think that playing the Dolphins, Saints, Bengals, and Patriots will be the hardest 4 game stretch you've had all season, then you are kidding yourself. 3 of those games are on the road, and the last one is against the Pats, which will be a playoff type game. It could go either way.

Each one of those teams are armed with QBs and passing attacks that can really expose that seemingly suspect secondary and the lack of pass rush you guys have been getting this year. Will they do it? who knows.

Brees, Palmer, Brady none of those guys are playing lights out this year by far, but each one of those guys has the ability and the weapons to get hot against any defense and that Steelers defense is no different. Will it happen? that's why they play the game, but if anyone thinks the Steelers can breathe easy over the next 3 weeks, think again.
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It will be a very tough stretch no doubt but if any team knows how to handle these kinds of games in primetime and knows how to win big games on the road and home in primetime it's the Steelers. The Steelers I'm sure arent looking forward to facing these type of caliber of teams 3 straight weeks in a row but by the same token the Saints,Bengals,and Patriots arent sitting their licking their chops either knowing they got a pretty damn good Steelers team up next on their schedule. I said it in another post here I think the Steelers will lose this weekend against the Saints, and win in Cincinnati next Monday night,and win a very close hard fought game at home against the Patriots the following Sunday night. I know the Bengals always play the Steelers tough and it's a division game but I just dont see the Bengals all of a sudden righting their ship the next 2 weeks with as bad as they have looked here over the last month. The Steelers always find a way to win down in Cincinnati and I expect them to do just that... There is no doubt that it will take the Steelers best effort the next 3 weeks to come out of this stretch of games 2-1 especially with a guy like Aaron Smith out of the Steelers lineup on defense...
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[quote name='Ravensfan23' timestamp='1288287376' post='522893']
Right now you really can't compare the Ravens and Steelers by schedule. The Ravens have had the toughest schedule of any of the top AFC teams. Counting the last preseason game, the Ravens have been on the road 5 out of the last 8 weeks. Now i don't care who you are, having to travel 5 times in a 2 month span takes it toll on anyone. Add that to the fact that those men had to play physical football games, added to the fact that every game was again a potential Playoff/Super Bowl caliber team, you can kind of understand why the Ravens' players looked sluggish against the Bills.

The Ravens would never make any excuses and i don't wanna make any for them, but even a blind man could see how necessary this bye week is for them. Did they play as well as many people expected vs teams like the Browns and Bills? No but they found a way to win.

As for you guys, lets not act like you didn't have your problems with the Browns led by a rookie making his first start. You guys scored a garbage TD, where you could have just tried to run the clock out, but i guess they wanted to pad Ben's stats, and it was a muffed punt by a Cleveland return, not named Cribbs, that gave you guys the ball on the 13 yard line. That was a 14-3 game late and McCoy was finding ways to move the ball on that 24th ranked secondary.

Now just like the Ravens you guys found a way to win, but lets not act like everything has been smooth sailings for you guys this year. I don't wanna make it seem like I'm saying you're not a good team because you are, but your schedule is about to get a bit tougher and the Steelers will have to prove that they are as good as everyone thinks. Because up to this point, you guys haven't really be playing any elite teams other then us and Ten.

The Steelers are about to be forced to play 3 straight road games, have 3 straight night games, and even though the Bengals don't appear to be good this year, we all know how tough AFC North games are. I'm sure nothing would make their season better then to get their passing attack going vs your seemingly weak secondary and get back into the AFC picture.

It's gonna be fun to see how things play out between the Steelers and the Ravens before the December showdown.
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I'd like to point out another extremely important component...in addition to one of the hardest starting schedules in all of football. the fact we faced back to back teams off their bye weeks, NE, and BUF.. n still we dominated NE for 3 quarters. Thats huge IMO. I'm excited to get back to football and especially the dolphins off OUR bye week.
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[quote name='horus13corvineus' timestamp='1288264720' post='522743']
Sunday games and future picture:

BUF @ KC - if Fitz can continue to air it like in Baltimore, I can see them at least going to play another over-time, [b]I can still see Chargers winning the AFCW, Chiefs only played one divisional game so far!
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GB @ NYJ - if Rogers gets good protection, then I see the pack winning the game; the pack running game started to move a little bit last week so it's a head scratcher; [b]Jets will win division, already have one win over the Pats![/b]

TEN @ SD - Charges will get this one, Rivers will throw about 400 yards and this time the WRs will catch the ball not like last week; [b]Titans going down the ranking after this one, can't see them winning their division (only one divisional game played so far)
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MIN @ NE - if Favre plays, Moss will sink the Pats, kind of last train for vikings if they want a wild card spot this year [b](Pack will win that division); Pats will get a wild card and come to play Ravens in Baltimore in the playoffs![/b]

PIT @ NO - same train for the champs as with the vikings, but theirs is for division; [b]can't see Falcons going all the way [/b](Tampa is just a fluke); second game for the squelers vs an air bomber qb (Joe was their first); I predict a Saint riot; squelers will give us a long run for the divisional title and then visit us for the AFC Championship game again in January!

HOU @ IND - no way Manning is losing this game; [b]Texans will finish third in their division![/b]
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A few comments on the bolded part....

- Chargers winning the division? They are 2-5 and you do know the only divisional game the Chiefs have played right... against the Chargers in which the Chiefs beat the Chargers. The Chargers.. are 0-2 in the division.

- So just because they have 1 win over the Patriots that makes the Jets Division Champs.. that's like saying the Ravens should be AFC North Champs since we beat the Steelers. Jets & Patriots are 5-1, if the Jets slip up, and the Patriots tie the series at 1-1, guess who gets the division due to common opponent tie... Patriots. We beat the Jets... Patriots beat us.

- Titans going down and Colts winning the South?? The Titans beat the Jags... the Colts lost to the Jags, the Colts are 0-2 in the division sitting 3rd. Sure they are 4-2 with the Texans but they sit 3rd because of that 0-2 Division record.

- Just remember this you speak of the Patriots getting a wild card, well you better hope the Steelers don't win the division because if we tie with the Patriots with the same record, we are gone because the Patriots own the tie breaker.

- I can see Tampa being a fluke... but you can't see Atlanta going all the way? Now I know they aren't SB material yet but they can certainly win the division, they already have a win over the Saints. Add in that the Saints are 4-3.

- Texans finishing 3rd... see point 3 regarding the Titans.
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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1288300262' post='523048']
A few comments on the bolded part....

- Chargers winning the division? They are 2-5 and you do know the only divisional game the Chiefs have played right... against the Chargers in which the Chiefs beat the Chargers. The Chargers.. are 0-2 in the division.

- So just because they have 1 win over the Patriots that makes the Jets Division Champs.. that's like saying the Ravens should be AFC North Champs since we beat the Steelers. Jets & Patriots are 5-1, if the Jets slip up, and the Patriots tie the series at 1-1, guess who gets the division due to common opponent tie... Patriots. We beat the Jets... Patriots beat us.

- Titans going down and Colts winning the South?? The Titans beat the Jags... the Colts lost to the Jags, the Colts are 0-2 in the division sitting 3rd. Sure they are 4-2 with the Texans but they sit 3rd because of that 0-2 Division record.

- Just remember this you speak of the Patriots getting a wild card, well you better hope the Steelers don't win the division because if we tie with the Patriots with the same record, we are gone because the Patriots own the tie breaker.

- I can see Tampa being a fluke... but you can't see Atlanta going all the way? Now I know they aren't SB material yet but they can certainly win the division, they already have a win over the Saints. Add in that the Saints are 4-3.

- Texans finishing 3rd... see point 3 regarding the Titans.
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I for one am getting tired of hearing people say well the Chargers always start off slow and will get it going sooner or later. Well guess what sooner or later had better come soon like let's say this week. The Chargers only hope of making the playoffs is to win that AFC West because there is not a chance in hell that they get a wildcard spot sitting at 2-5 right now. There are too many good teams in the AFC right now with good records and already too many teams the Chargers have already lost tiebrakers too and teams who they just will not catch in the standings. And yes the Chargers do start off slow but this year it just does not seem like the same kind of "slow". They have lost all their games on the road so far this season to mediocre to bad teams such as Seattle,Oakland,and St Louis. If youre a playoff caliber team and a true contender you just do not lose every single one of those games Im sorry. The Chargers still do have a chance to win the AFC West but they had better start winning games and winning them soon because if they fall to 2-6 or 3-6 over the next 2-3 weeks they will not win that AFC West. Same can be said for the Bengals too this week since they have absolutely no shot of winning the North they MUST win against the Dolphins at home this Sunday or their playoff chances at 2-5 in the AFC with the Steelers and Colts up next on their schedule will go completely down the toilet...
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[quote name='Polamaluisabeast_43' timestamp='1288297251' post='523000']
It will be a very tough stretch no doubt but if any team knows how to handle these kinds of games in primetime and knows how to win big games on the road and home in primetime it's the Steelers. The Steelers I'm sure arent looking forward to facing these type of caliber of teams 3 straight weeks in a row but by the same token the Saints,Bengals,and Patriots arent sitting their licking their chops either knowing they got a pretty damn good Steelers team up next on their schedule. I said it in another post here I think the Steelers will lose this weekend against the Saints, and win in Cincinnati next Monday night,and win a very close hard fought game at home against the Patriots the following Sunday night. I know the Bengals always play the Steelers tough and it's a division game but I just dont see the Bengals all of a sudden righting their ship the next 2 weeks with as bad as they have looked here over the last month. The Steelers always find a way to win down in Cincinnati and I expect them to do just that... There is no doubt that it will take the Steelers best effort the next 3 weeks to come out of this stretch of games 2-1 especially with a guy like Aaron Smith out of the Steelers lineup on defense...
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There is no doubt it will take a strong effort from both teams in those 3 weeks, but that's exactly my point. I'm not saying that the Steelers haven't had to give their best efforts in the games so far, but each one of these next 3 games will present their own hurdles. The Steelers will have to get up to a really high level emotionally in those games, add that to the fact that they are traveling, it could take a lot out of the team.

Then coming off those tough 3 games, you will have a game, that right now would seem to be a really winnable, not easy but winnable game vs Oak. However at that point the Raiders could easy be 4-3, in the middle of the AFC West race, and fired up coming off a bye with 2 weeks to prepare for what could be a sluggish Steelers team. You just never know.

On the other hand you guys could completely dominate the next 3 games and have the national media even more in love with you. My point is, just don't think because of the record of some of the team you're about to play that the schedule gets easier. Cuz after you play the Raiders and travel to Buf, you'll have another really tough 3 game weeks, were you play the Ravens, Bengals, and Jets.
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[quote name='bmorefan444' timestamp='1288226338' post='522516']
If the NFC has a good week, this could be the Ravens best week of the year. lol
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We have to catch a break somewhere!
New Orleans over Pittsburg I'm calling it
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[quote name='Polamaluisabeast_43' timestamp='1288300980' post='523058']
I for one am getting tired of hearing people say well the Chargers always start off slow and will get it going sooner or later. Well guess what sooner or later had better come soon like let's say this week. The Chargers only hope of making the playoffs is to win that AFC West because there is not a chance in hell that they get a wildcard spot sitting at 2-5 right now. There are too many good teams in the AFC right now with good records and already too many teams the Chargers have already lost tiebrakers too and teams who they just will not catch in the standings. And yes the Chargers do start off slow but this year it just does not seem like the same kind of "slow". They have lost all their games on the road so far this season to mediocre to bad teams such as Seattle,Oakland,and St Louis. If youre a playoff caliber team and a true contender you just do not lose every single one of those games Im sorry. The Chargers still do have a chance to win the AFC West but they had better start winning games and winning them soon because if they fall to 2-6 or 3-6 over the next 2-3 weeks they will not win that AFC West. Same can be said for the Bengals too this week since they have absolutely no shot of winning the North they MUST win against the Dolphins at home this Sunday or their playoff chances at 2-5 in the AFC with the Steelers and Colts up next on their schedule will go completely down the toilet...
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Wow I need a drink for once I agree with a Pittsburgh fan. Yup San Diego is not a good team they make the playoffs because the AFC west SUX sorry I am not bashing just staing facts. I bet the browns could win that division. However I love seeing KC and Oakland getting better i think SD rain in that division is over.
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[quote name='Polamaluisabeast_43' timestamp='1288300980' post='523058']
I for one am getting tired of hearing people say well the Chargers always start off slow and will get it going sooner or later. Well guess what sooner or later had better come soon like let's say this week. [b]The Chargers only hope of making the playoffs is to win that AFC West because there is not a chance in hell that they get a wildcard spot sitting at 2-5 right now. [/b][b]There are too many good teams in the AFC right now with good records and already too many teams the Chargers have already lost tiebrakers too and teams who they just will not catch in the standings.[/b] And yes the Chargers do start off slow but this year it just does not seem like the same kind of "slow". They have lost all their games on the road so far this season to mediocre to bad teams such as Seattle,Oakland,and St Louis. If your a playoff caliber team and a true contender, you just do not lose every single one of those games Im sorry. [b]The Chargers still do have a chance to win the AFC West but they had better start winning games and winning them soon because if they fall to 2-6 or 3-6 over the next 2-3 weeks they will not win that AFC West. Same can be said for the Bengals too this week since they have absolutely no shot of winning the North they MUST win against the Dolphins at home this Sunday or their playoff chances at 2-5 in the AFC with the Steelers and Colts up next on their schedule will go completely down the toilet...[/b]
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Yep I agree with everything. I do think the Titans win tomorrow and drop the Chargers to 2-6. I also think 6 losses is a cutoff. Meaning 10-6 will be the cutoff at either making or missing the playoffs in the AFC. Now with the competitive AFC, 10-6 may not get you in if you don't have tie breakers to help you as well. The Chargers are going to need to win against the Titans and for the Bills to pull the upset and beat the Chiefs to still have a shot to win the AFC West. Now regarding the Bengals & Dolphins, let's just say realistically the Dolphins have the best outcome between the teams. The Bengals are 2-4 and even with a win, 3-4 still wouldn't be able to have a shot at the wild card. The Dolphins on the other hand, well they will go to 4-3 if they beat the Bengals and if either the Jets/Patriots lose or both lose tomorrow the Dolphins make the AFC East Race a little closer along with the AFC Wild Card Race closer as well.
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BUF @ KC 1pm: Bills 10 KC 13 FINAL


[b]GB @ NYJ 1pm: Packers 9 Jets 0 FINAL
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[b]MIA @ CIN 1PM: MIA 22 CIN 14 FINAL[/b]
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Someone needs to shut up the Titans. THey are playing great and should be feared almost as much as Jets and Steelers. Someone needs to "take a 2x4" and beat the heck outta them
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Sanchez looked ALMOST like he did against us today. Granted there was some bad drops with his WRs but Sanchez's arm is wildly inconsistent.
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The Buffalo/KC game is now over. Chiefs win 13 to 10 as Ryan Succop kicks a 35 Yard FG with 0:05 left in Overtime.

I will say with the Jets losing, regardless what happens in the 4PM games and the Texans/Colts tomorrow, if the Saints beat the Steelers I'll call it a successful Bye for the Ravens.
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Wow... are they playing Football in San Diego? Chargers lead 7 to 5... that is a baseball score not a Football score lol.

Vikings Lead 7 to 0 over the Patriots.
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[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1288558902' post='524141']
This is the JO_75 thread......
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lol I was hoping more people would comment. I'm just trying to keep things updated as this is the playoff watch thread so I'm just keeping things up to date with the results as it pertains to the Ravens. I'm pretty much doing what FF use to do with having game threads lol.

Chargers lead the Titans 24 to 19
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[quote name='bmorefan444' timestamp='1288559935' post='524147']
Chris Johnson's TD run was nutss!!
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The cutback was sweet, as Young's blocking but there was some pathetic tackling by the Chargers.
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[quote name='ZIBBY28' timestamp='1288561806' post='524159']
LOVIN' the Jets loss...
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So am I. 9-0...that's priceless.
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i got ripped for saying the jets, titans, pats, and saints could all lose. Im cheering on the vikes now to pull this one out. Chargers beating up on the titans
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Chargers battled back well against the Titans. Certainly this is what we needed to happen, the Titans to lose, along with the Jets.

TD CHARGERS! Chargers tried going for 2 but failed... so the Chargers lead by 8, 33 to 25 over the Titans.
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