Flacco's Recent #'s

[purple.n.black]

I calculated these numbers for Joe Flacco. These are all post his poor week 2 performance. So weeks 3-7. You guys can double check, but all values should be correct.
Completion % 64.78
9 td
1 int
249.8yds/game
QB rating 105.04
7.86 yds/att
About 1 touchdown every 20 throws, and only 1 interception every 160 throws.
I know there are people that are going to say/think "well you just picked his better weeks". Not exactly. I picked the most recent weeks. I did not decide to rule this game or that game out. And he has gone up against some good secondaries in these games. Hey if Flacco is averaging a QB rating of over 100 that is pretty darn good. That is over five points better than Manning averaged last year, and a little better than he has averaged thus far. IDK about other QBs I only looked at Manning because it is Manning lol. And I am only comparing those skewed numbers to Manning's, not his caliber you "argh Flacco ain't elite" people.

And on another note, that return by Bryant just a bit ago was phenomenal.

[Moderator 2]

I pretty much put that in a thread last week minus the math, since I suck at that We were listening to the post game on WBAL driving home last night, and callers were actually calling in saying how horrible Joe played--he started slow but got into a pretty good groove. I don't understand the QB bashing that has been going on.

[cursona pirate]

Neither do I flacco saved our buttocks some times.

[purple.n.black]

I only used subtraction and an online QB rating calculator that I hope is accurate ahha. I did make sure it was NFL QB rating btw. And yeah I don't understand it either. Flacco has not been putting up monstrous numbers, but he is still putting up good numbers. He has not been turning it over (knocks on wood) while not being too conservative.

[purple.n.black]

Oh and cursona, I just looked and Cundiff is 1st in yds/ko. About 3% higher than 2nd place Gostkowski. And second most in touchbacks with a pretty significant higher touchback percntage that anyone else. I am glad we brought in Graham. I guess that is what really pushed Billy to the next level. Remember Hauschka?

[cursona pirate]

U said the H word it's now banned read the Billy cundiff thread

[purple.n.black]

haha it's like Voldemort. Saying it makes me even more grateful fr Cundiff though.

[Ed_Reed20]

Joe has certainly played some good football in recent weeks and the stats back that up.

You still does make the occasional throw that leaves you scratching your head though.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1288059432' post='521030']
Joe has certainly played some good football in recent weeks and the stats back that up.

He still does make the occasional throw that leaves you scratching your head though.
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Of course he'll make a couple of head-scratching throws -- that's what young QBs do. No young QB is absolved of those young mistakes, no matter how much early success they've had.

That said, I still don't understand the QB-bashing. I'll chalk it up to impatience rather than holding him to a higher standard. I mean, there's high standards, and then there's asking a guy to be Peyton Manning when it's only Year 3. Besides, not too many guys will be Manning or Brady or Brees. I'll take Joe Flacco simply being Joe Flacco if it means he has a good career and wins some games. He doesn't have to be one of the great ones (though he certainly could), he just has to keep us happy from season-to-season -- not necessarily from week-to-week.

[letsgoflacco]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1288060575' post='521049']
[b]Of course he'll make a couple of head-scratching throws -- that's what young QBs do.[/b] No young QB is absolved of those young mistakes, no matter how much early success they've had.

That said, I still don't understand the QB-bashing. I'll chalk it up to impatience rather than holding him to a higher standard. I mean, there's high standards, and then there's asking a guy to be Peyton Manning when it's only Year 3. Besides, not too many guys will be Manning or Brady or Brees. I'll take Joe Flacco simply being Joe Flacco if it means he has a good career and wins some games. He doesn't have to be one of the great ones (though he certainly could), he just has to keep us happy from season-to-season -- not necessarily from week-to-week.
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Sitting here watching the Giants/Cowboys games and Eli is on fire, but he is making some throws (overthrows really) where if that was Joe in there he would be getting bashed. Eli isn't even young... and they make excuses for him.

I don't understand the QB bashing either... I think Joe has played very well this season minus the Bengals game.

Speaking of Joe... HAHA for Todd Heap's Halloween party for the Good Will he dressed up like the Situation from Jersey Shore. Got a hair cut and everything. He matches with Todd who is Pauly D. Why I find this so hilarious I couldn't say. /rant

[Bltravens]

Joe won that game for us against the Bills, him Reed, and Lewis imposing his will in OT.

[purple.n.black]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1288059432' post='521030']
Joe has certainly played some good football in recent weeks and the stats back that up.

You still does make the occasional throw that leaves you scratching your head though.
[/quote]
I really don't get how he overthrows so many short balls lol. He'll get it under control though and at least it is not constant

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='purple.n.black' timestamp='1288061447' post='521061']
I really don't get how he overthrows so many short balls lol. He'll get it under control though and at least it is not constant
[/quote]

It stems from him not setting his feet.

He'll get better though.

[Jamal]

Flacco has been pretty damn good the last weeks. Although he still misses some fairly easy plays time to time. But that will get better with time.

Every time I see Bryant I die a little inside. Especially when hes beasting in returns...

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1288062055' post='521071']
Flacco has been pretty damn good the last weeks. Although he still misses some fairly easy plays time to time. But that will get better with time.

[b]Every time I see Bryant I die a little inside. Especially when hes beasting in returns...[/b]
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Why? The Cowboys wanted him badly and NE was willing to give up their spot in the draft.

[Jamal]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1288062382' post='521077']
Why? The Cowboys wanted him badly and NE was willing to give up their spot in the draft.
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I really wanted to see him come here. And with him being so close, I already assumed he was going to be a Raven. To have the Cowboys snatch him really hurt.

We have excellent WR's, but still don't really have that one dynamic WR who scares defenses. (Boldin is a monster though)

We could have focused strictly on defense and maybe RT, but now we still have to find a WR for the future, and I'm sorry to say, another OLB. I don't see Kindle ever healing a 100%.

Let me put it this way, how would you feel if we were going to pick and Bailey is still on the board, only to have some other team trade up and take him?

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1288063061' post='521080']
I really wanted to see him come here. And with him being so close, I already assumed he was going to be a Raven. To have the Cowboys snatch him really hurt.

We have excellent WR's, but still don't really have that one dynamic WR who scares defenses. (Boldin is a monster though)

We could have focused strictly on defense and maybe RT, but now we still have to find a WR for the future, and I'm sorry to say, another OLB. I don't see Kindle ever healing a 100%.

Let me put it this way, how would you feel if we were going to pick and Bailey is still on the board, only to have some other team trade up and take him?
[/quote]

I see.

You're right. This team does need a play-making WR for the long-haul.

I hope you're wrong about Kindle but there's definitely a chance he may never heal to where he can play football and who knows how his head will fare if he does ever hit the field again.

That would really suck, especially if the Ravens were linked to him.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1288062055' post='521071']
Flacco has been pretty damn good the last weeks. Although he still misses some fairly easy plays time to time. But that will get better with time.

[b]Every time I see Bryant I die a little inside. Especially when hes beasting in returns...[/b][/quote]
I agree. Especially after tonights game with the punt return for TD. Joe still lacks the young WR that he can pair with for the next decade like all the great QBs have had.

Oher is great, but boy did I love Kenny Britt coming out a couple years ago and now he's becoming a beast. Then we just missed out on Bryant. Hopefully Ozzie can finally hit on a WR next year and get us our version of Mike Wallace in a later round.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1288063061' post='521080']
I don't see Kindle ever healing a 100%.
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So what your saying is you dont think my Karma will fix him huhhhhhhh

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1288070943' post='521155']
I agree. Especially after tonights game with the punt return for TD. Joe still lacks the young WR that he can pair with for the next decade like all the great QBs have had.

Oher is great, but boy did I love Kenny Britt coming out a couple years ago and now he's becoming a beast. Then we just missed out on Bryant. Hopefully Ozzie can finally hit on a WR next year and get us our [b]version of Mike Wallace in a later round.[/b]
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I don't want a Mike Wallace, I want a complete player like Roddy White, Hakeem Nicks or Mike Williams in TB(I didn't mention Johnson or Fitzgerald because those guys are rare talents). Wallace is a burner but unless he's going deep, he's not that effective.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1288071922' post='521169']
I don't want a Mike Wallace, I want a complete player like Roddy White, Hakeem Nicks or Mike Williams in TB(I didn't mention Johnson or Fitzgerald because those guys are rare talents). Wallace is a burner but unless he's going deep, he's not that effective.
[/quote]
All the guys you mentioned were 1st round picks. I said a WR in the later rounds. Wallace was a third rounder. Also, while a complete WR would be great, we have plenty of great route running WR. We need speed and the best we have right now is a 30 year old injury prone Stallworth on a 1 year contract.

And Wallace may be a Steeler but don't tell me you wouldnt take him for a minute if you could. He's only in his 2nd year and is already better than any WR Ozzie ever drafted.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1288072239' post='521170']
All the guys you mentioned were 1st round picks. I said a WR in the later rounds. Wallace was a third rounder. Also, while a complete WR would be great, we have plenty of great route running WR. We need speed and the best we have right now is a 30 year old injury prone Stallworth on a 1 year contract.

And Wallace may be a Steeler but don't tell me you wouldnt take him for a minute if you could. He's only in his 2nd year and is already better than any WR Ozzie ever drafted.
[/quote]

Mike Williams wasn't a 1st round pick--he was drafted in the 4th round.

Yes, the team has plenty of savvy, precise route-running veterans right now but what about next year? Mason could very well retire and Houshmandzadeh isn't guaranteed to be back. That only leaves Q and David Reed as WR guaranteed to be back.

I never said I wouldn't take Wallace as a WR but that doesn't change the fact there are WRs in their 2nd and 3rd seasons better than him.

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1288072751' post='521174']
Mike Williams wasn't a 1st round pick--he was drafted in the 4th round.

Yes, the team has plenty of savvy, precise route-running veterans right now but what about next year? Mason could very well retire and Houshmandzadeh isn't guaranteed to be back. That only leaves Q and David Reed as WR guaranteed to be back.

I never said I wouldn't take Wallace as a WR but that doesn't change the fact there are WRs in their 2nd and 3rd seasons better than him.
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We're aruging semantics now. We need a quality yound WR who can make an impact immediatly next year due to the uncertainties at the WR position beyond this season. Whether its a 1st, 3rd, or 7th rounder it doesn't really matter.

The last point I'll make though is you don't need to teach speed. Look at the impact Wallace made his rookie year running nothing but deap routes. I'll take that.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1288073822' post='521185']
We're aruging semantics now. We need a quality yound WR who can make an impact immediatly next year due to the uncertainties at the WR position beyond this season. Whether its a 1st, 3rd, or 7th rounder it doesn't really matter.

The last point I'll make though is you don't need to teach speed. Look at the impact Wallace made his rookie year running nothing but deap routes. I'll take that.
[/quote]

Agreed.

No, you can't teach speed but there are other(arguably more important) skills a WR can't be taught that they need to be successful like natural hands, body control, toughness and the ability to get YACs.

[flynismo]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1288073822' post='521185']<br />We're aruging semantics now. We need a quality yound WR who can make an impact immediatly next year due to the uncertainties at the WR position beyond this season. Whether its a 1st, 3rd, or 7th rounder it doesn't really matter.<br /><br />The last point I'll make though is you don't need to teach speed. Look at the impact Wallace made his rookie year running nothing but deap routes. I'll take that.<br />[/quote]

If all you want is a guy a who run fast and make some plays, we already have Stallworth for that.
Personally, I don't get too wrapped up in speed or size, they are both a bit overrated. Talent is more important in my eyes...I'll take a team of Reggie Waynes and Derrick Masons any day of the week.

[reediddy]

[quote name='ravensfan160' timestamp='1288070943' post='521155']
I agree. Especially after tonights game with the punt return for TD. Joe still lacks the young WR that he can pair with for the next decade like all the great QBs have had.

Oher is great, but boy did I love Kenny Britt coming out a couple years ago and now he's becoming a beast. Then we just missed out on Bryant. Hopefully Ozzie can finally hit on a WR next year and get us our version of Mike Wallace in a later round.
[/quote]

AJ Green anyone? Julio Jones?

Actually, I hope we don't pick that early

[flynismo]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1288074435' post='521194']<br />AJ Green anyone? Julio Jones?<br /><br />Actually, I hope we don't pick that early  <img src='http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/Sports_sport04.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /><br />[/quote]

Would be nice, but we have bigger fish to fry...need to grab us a defensive lineman or two, and a safety to relieve Landry of his duties. Not to mention get a replacement for Gaither, as well as someone to challenge Birk for his job.

[Ravensdiciple96]

[quote name='purple.n.black' timestamp='1288058732' post='521021']
I only used subtraction and an online QB rating calculator that I hope is accurate ahha. I did make sure it was NFL QB rating btw. And yeah I don't understand it either. Flacco has not been putting up monstrous numbers, but he is still putting up good numbers. He has not been turning it over (knocks on wood) while not being too conservative.
[/quote]

Not to take away from the number crunching that you did, and thanks for doing that by the way. The numbers aren't going to matter one way or another if the lose, career wise of course. The people that are bashing Joe even after this win that he got us to come from behind to get, I wouls assume have no freaking clue and just want something to complain about when they should of had their complaints focused on the defense and the secondary for the most part. If Joe would of got the win in Cincy even with the poor numbers he had in that game, I would of been elated!!

[Kwothdaraven]

People definitely need to relax with bashing flacco for overthrows. Peyton manning, tom brady, aaron rogers all over throw guys atleast once in every single game they play.

[ravenanchors]

Joe's overthrows are understandable.
First Joe has to throw the ball high enough to get it over the Defensive lineman.
He has to throw it soft since Ray Rice is standing just on the other side of the lineman.
Since Rice is much shorter than the lineman, it makes it even more difficult to make that throw.

Joe has to throw a parabola which is a
conic section, the intersection of a right circular conical surface and a plane parallel to a generating straight line of that surface.

See how difficult it is.