The 2000 Ravens Lost To The Jaguars 39-36

[Kwothdaraven]

The greatest defense in history gave up 39 points and went to win 11 straight. These games happen to the best, and we got a win.


P.s. Mike preston just said ed played badlu, what a fat joke he is

[berad]

The score was the other way around, Ravens actually beat the Jags 39-36 - [url="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/2000.htm"]LINK[/url]

But the point still stands. It's actually an eerily similar game - giving up a load of points and passing yards to a sub .500 Jaguars team, sounds very familiar.. Even good defenses can have bad games, I'm just glad that our offense could keep pace and help us win that game.

[Runnin Raven]

I remember that. The Jimmy Smith game. Ugh.

[Gtown Purple]

The bills had 2 weeks to scheme us up plus they came out physical which I think surprised our guys a bit. Add in Ed Reed being rusty and you have a recipe for alot of points.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Runnin Raven' timestamp='1288012544' post='520320']
I remember that. The Jimmy Smith game. Ugh.
[/quote]

I heard he abused Duane Starks all game.

[PuRock]

That's fine and Dandy. But this team is no way close to the Ravens 2000 defense no matter how you slice it.

[Jamal]

They might have given up all those points, but this defense shouldn't be compared to that.

The lack of pass-rushers is coming back to bite us.

[True]

That was in the 2nd game of the season. After that they allowed only 20 points ONCE and that was to the Titans who were the best team in league at that time (who they beat twice).

Sorry but I don't think we'll ever see that kind of defense again. I'm hoping we can just come close to the 2006 defense.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='True' timestamp='1288015632' post='520368']
That was in the 2nd game of the season. After that they allowed only 20 points ONCE and that was to the Titans who were the best team in league at that time (who they beat twice).

Sorry but I don't think we'll ever see that kind of defense again. [b]I'm hoping we can just come close to the 2006 defense.[/b]
[/quote]

We won't see that kind of D either. That D actually had [b]multiple[/b] people who could actually get after the pass rusher. Adalius, Suggs, a younger, more explosive Pryce, a younger Gregg and Bart blitzing. And to complement that, you had CBs who could stick to their man and induce coverage sacks in McAlister and Rolle.

[Runnin Raven]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1288014326' post='520347']
I heard he abused Duane Starks all game.
[/quote]
It was out of control. More than Fitzpatrick/Evans this past week. I was listening on the radio and it was like Brunnell and Smith were psychically linked.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1288014326' post='520347']
I heard he abused Duane Starks all game.
[/quote]
You would be correct, and Marvin left Duane out to dry that game for too long IMO before he started to get help.

[funky141]

[quote]That's fine and Dandy. But this team is no way close to the Ravens 2000 defense no matter how you slice it. [/quote]

Ravens 2000 defense only did that once, so far the 2010 Ravens defense have been shacky against the Browns, Patriots and now the Bills.

[Raven-D]

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1288022906' post='520483']
Ravens 2000 defense only did that once, so far the 2010 Ravens defense have been shacky against the Browns, Patriots and now the Bills.
[/quote]

The Browns showing was inexcusable (although you shouldn't undermine how much of a beast Peyton Hillis is), but the Patriots thing is really not some sort of "out of the ordinary" inexcusable occurence. They got beat by a future Hall of Fame QB & Coach tandem which was all fired up, at home, and coming off of a bye. I love this team and have been following them since the beginning. I do believe that the 2000 Ravens defense was one of the best units of all time. That said, I recently watched an NFL Network Top 10 in which the 2000 Ravens Defense was ranked 7th all time. The reason given was that they never faced a top tier QB, and looking back now, that's the truth. Someone like Tom Brady or Peyton Manning is gonna make make even the best defenses look silly at times.

Still pissed that we lost that game though...

[Bltravens]

[quote name='funky141' timestamp='1288022906' post='520483']
Ravens 2000 defense only did that once, so far the 2010 Ravens defense have been shacky against the Browns, Patriots and now the Bills.
[/quote]
I dont know if Id call the defense shaky against the Patriots.

[RavensAllTheWay]

Well I mean last season our defense went into the bye as an average unit, but after that we started dominating again and never looked back. Hopefully that repeats.

Statwise, were average in a lot of categories. For example, our defense went from 3rd ranked in the league to 9th after yesterday. (9th is still good, but wow).

And we're still winning games. If we put all the pieces together in this puzzle, we'll be damn near unstoppable.

[RavensAllTheWay]

If we want pass rush, we better turn to Terrence Cody sometimes....right?

I mean he made quiet an impact in the preseason and also played a lot of snaps while facing endurance questions. But since we haven't seen him yet this regular season and the coaches (who know more than us) haven't even put him on the field, I can only wonder what the deal is. I was expecting them to use him in certain situations, but no, not even.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1288039800' post='520710']
If we want pass rush, we better turn to Terrence Cody sometimes....right?

I mean he made quiet an impact in the preseason and also played a lot of snaps while facing endurance questions. But since we haven't seen him yet this regular season and the coaches (who know more than us) haven't even put him on the field, I can only wonder what the deal is. I was expecting them to use him in certain situations, but no, not even.
[/quote]

Cody [i]has[/i] seen the field; he played but didn't do much yesterday and I know he played against the Steelers. I'm not sure whether he was active in the two games in between.

Regardless, Cody wasn't a pass rusher going back to his time in college.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='Raven-D' timestamp='1288024659' post='520500']
The Browns showing was inexcusable (although you shouldn't undermine how much of a beast Peyton Hillis is), but the Patriots thing is really not some sort of "out of the ordinary" inexcusable occurence. They got beat by a future Hall of Fame QB & Coach tandem which was all fired up, at home, and coming off of a bye. I love this team and have been following them since the beginning. I do believe that the 2000 Ravens defense was one of the best units of all time. That said, [b]I recently watched an NFL Network Top 10 in which the 2000 Ravens Defense was ranked 7th all time. The reason given was that they never faced a top tier QB, and looking back now, that's the truth. [/b]Someone like Tom Brady or Peyton Manning is gonna make make even the best defenses look silly at times.

Still pissed that we lost that game though...
[/quote]

That's stupid that they'd say that. We had no offense in 2000. The offense kept putting the defense back on the field. So regardless of who was at QB, the other team got plenty of drives to rack up more yards on us. In fact, we weren't even the #1 ranked D in 2000(by yards), the Titans were.

The 2010 Ravens are no 2000 Ravens, but I think the point of this thread was to show that just because we let up a lot of points and yards to the Bills doesn't mean we are out of SB contention.

[Jamal]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1288015994' post='520373']
We won't see that kind of D either. That D actually had [b]multiple[/b] people who could actually get after the pass rusher. Adalius, Suggs, a younger, more explosive Pryce, a younger Gregg and Bart blitzing. And to complement that, you had CBs who could stick to their man and induce coverage sacks in McAlister and Rolle.
[/quote]
I first got into football in 2004 and that is the best defense I've seen (since 04).

Nothings come close to it since.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1288048484' post='520848']
I first got into football in 2004 and that is the best defense I've seen (since 04).

Nothings come close to it since.
[/quote]

Was 2004's D better than the one in '06?

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1288043418' post='520757']
[b]Cody [i]has[/i] seen the field[/b]; he played but didn't do much yesterday and I know he played against the Steelers. I'm not sure whether he was active in the two games in between.

Regardless, [b]Cody wasn't a pass rusher going back to his time in college.[/b][/quote]
I don't remember seeing big #63 out there ever. But I'll take your word for it.

And I know he wasn't much of a pass rusher in college, but that's not saying he can't open things up for others. Kelly Gregg certainly hasn't.

One of the worst sights of Gregg is watching him get flat out owned one on one by an opposing teams center. That's not supposed to happen to NTs, and Cody with his size and strength can hopefully take some of the pressure off of Ngata.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1288053295' post='520947']
I don't remember seeing big #63 out there ever. But I'll take your word for it.

And I know he wasn't much of a pass rusher in college, but that's not saying he can't open things up for others. Kelly Gregg certainly hasn't.

One of the worst sights of Gregg is watching him get flat out owned one on one by an opposing teams center. That's not supposed to happen to NTs, and Cody with his size and strength can hopefully take some of the pressure off of Ngata.
[/quote]

Probably because he's #62 now.

I've seen him out there. I didn't really pay attention to what he did... But I'd like to see more of him too. With Ngata and Cody together, there should be no excuse to us not stuffing the run and allowing our other guys to get pressure.

[Raven-D]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1288043705' post='520760']
That's stupid that they'd say that. We had no offense in 2000. The offense kept putting the defense back on the field. So regardless of who was at QB, the other team got plenty of drives to rack up more yards on us. In fact, we weren't even the #1 ranked D in 2000(by yards), the Titans were.

The 2010 Ravens are no 2000 Ravens, but I think the point of this thread was to show that just because we let up a lot of points and yards to the Bills doesn't mean we are out of SB contention.
[/quote]

I agree, I was none too happy with how they ranked our 2000 defense. It's gotta be at least in the top 3. However, the reason I added this is to provide yet another reason why the in depth 2000 to 2010 comparison some previous posters mentioned is pointless.

Different players, different team, different competition, different situation altogether. Though I do agree with the spirit of the original post... Even good teams get owned sometimes, but that doesn't mean that we're out.

[reediddy]

Not even a legitimate comparison in my opinion, but if Jimmy Smith did that to the 2000 defense I'm afraid...VERY afraid...for when we go visit Andre Johnson

[H8R]

For the comments about the 2000 D and not facing any good QB's... Look what that team did in the playoffs... TO THE BEST TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE. What a bone-head argument.

As for this years team, I think the passing D will still be just as decent as last year. Maybe a slight bit better.
No reason to get too upset, the Bills put up just as good of a fight against the Pats.Fitzpatrick may very well be a much better qb then we know at this point. Sure, it was a gross display for a home game againsta winless team. Guess what though? That winless team went back home as such, too! Last years team would not have won that game!

[Shammy]

the diffrence is the jaguars were pretty good back then they werent ranked last in the league

[berad]

[quote name='Shammy' timestamp='1288136201' post='521735']
the diffrence is the jaguars were pretty good back then they werent ranked last in the league
[/quote]

The Jaguars finished 7-9 they weren't good at all between 2000-2003..

[yakraven]

Yes, the point was to show that even the "best" defense in football can give up a
lot of points. Now that we've said that, why should we be trying to compare our current
defense to past years. Our players are differnt, the game is differnt and our
opponents are differnt.
Why are we still harping on past events and more importantly, why are we so wrapped up
in stats and so-called pundit/expert commentary? If we yield 300 yds but win so what?
Who cares if we have the 18th whatever if we are winning?
Lets wait til seasons end and worry abt stats.

[Ravensfan23]

[quote name='yakraven' timestamp='1288168072' post='521973']
Yes, the point was to show that even the "best" defense in football can give up a
lot of points. Now that we've said that, why should we be trying to compare our current
defense to past years. Our players are differnt, the game is differnt and our
opponents are differnt.
Why are we still harping on past events and more importantly, why are we so wrapped up
in stats and so-called pundit/expert commentary? If we yield 300 yds but win so what?
Who cares if we have the 18th whatever if we are winning?
Lets wait til seasons end and worry abt stats.
[/quote]

Stats won't matter one bit if and when the Ravens when the Super Bowl. Nobody will even remember this game or the fact that we needed overtime to beat the Bills.

I think back to the 2006 season, when the Colt were horrible on Defense at stopping the run. The give up over 250 yards to the Jaguars, 200 yards to Ron Dayne(yes i said Ron Dayne) and the Texans, and over 150 to the Dolphins, heading into the playoffs.

everyone was talking about how that team would never win the Super Bowl playing like that because, everyone knows you have to be able to stop the run in the playoffs. Well all the all the Colts did was overcome a choke artist type performance by Peyton and shutdown some really good running backs, like Larry Johnson and Jamal Lewis, to win the Super Bowl.

Who even remembers their defense giving up all those rushing yards in those games?

Now I'm not saying I'm happy or satisfied with what i say vs the Bills, but games like that happen. I'm just excited about the fact that the Ravens fought and actually won that game. In years past we would have lost it and you can only imagine what the talk would be then.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='True' timestamp='1288015632' post='520368']
That was in the 2nd game of the season. After that they allowed only 20 points ONCE and that was to the Titans who were the best team in league at that time (who they beat twice).

Sorry but I don't think we'll ever see that kind of defense again. I'm hoping we can just come close to the 2006 defense.
[/quote]

Don't get me wrong because I agree with you. Don't think we are likely to see that kind of defense again but...

Week 1: 9 pts
Week 2: 15 pts
Week 3: 17 pts
Week 4: 14 pts
Week 5: 17 pts
Week 6: 23 pts

Just that it struck me as funny about the 20 pts thing that you used to make your case. If you look at it, it is kind of eerie.