Oh, Ravens Fans..

[TSizzle00]

Its a bye week. Lets just relax and worry about football next week

[theFRANCHISE]

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, obviously.

That said, in addressing some of the panicky threads that are calling for drastic measures, 5-2 is not the time to push the panic button on anything. The team is 5-2 because of the pieces in place, for better or worse. The grass isn't always greener on the other side, so you never know if that drastic change you're calling for, could be the downfall of the team.

We welcome criticism of the team, but constructive criticism goes a long way in getting any point across, no matter how contrarian or outrageous. Anyone can make an argument that the Ravens won't win the Super Bowl this year, but that argument won't be (completely) bashed if it's argued well and, more importantly, has a solid basis behind that argument. It's not as simple as saying, "look at how the team could easily be 1-6," or, "the team hasn't executed as well as it should with all the weapons in place." It takes more logic than that to formulate an argument that sparks a solid, reasonably logical conversation.

[ravensgirl20]

I guess for me panic is one thing, but being upset over a game we all know we should have played better in is another thing. When I see Ray Lewis on the side lines upset and talking to players about the way they are playing, then you know something is up that game. Yes I stand behind them always in all things. But I think it's natural to try and figure out what went wrong when you know the talent on this team didn't play up to their level.

[DieHardBMoreFan]

actually... this is the internets and this is a discussion forum - what else do you expect to take place here. I am sure a good % of the people who post here also attend games, which means they directly support their team and possibly even contributes to the players salary. I say that gives people the right to complain about what their eyes see. Your telling me i can't voice my opinion after we sucked against the bills? Your telling me i can't complain after seeing flacco throw our game away to the Bungals. Your telling me i can't complain that our highest paid player on the team is not performing up to his contract.

Now that i'm done playing devil's advocate, i agree with you 95%. The majority of the "complaints" i see are B.S. but people are still allowed to complain about BS. It at least gives us "real" fans a chance to shoot them down and prove them wrong

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1287984946' post='520149']
This doesn't belong here, and I'm not sure where it does. I'm just tired of it, guys. Cam sucks because he's not throwing it more. Cam sucks because he's not running it more. Cam sucks because our players are just not executing but we can't blame them. Flacco sucks because he throws off his back foot, and nevermind that he hasn't thrown a pick in three straight games. Ray Rice sucks because he's not ripping off 20+ yard runs every snap. Blah, blah, blah. We may be the best fanbase, but man, we are also the most fickle and most short memory laden fanbase as well.

It's like when everyone is clamoring for Joe's head because we forgot that we used to keep a QB for a season and then go get a new one that played even worse then the one we let go....and this went on for more seasons than I'd care to admit. Or when people are mad at Cam for this or that, and then call for Billick forgetting that the exact reason we let Billick go was for the exact same issues they're losing their heads over.

I'm tired of it guys. Man up! I mean, only Ravens fans would hate on the team after a blowout of the Denver Broncos. Only Ravens fans would hate on the team after a close victory over Pittsburgh IN Pittsburgh. Criticism is to be expected and is okay. But to say Suggs isn't doing his job because he doesn't have the amount of sacks of say, Clay Matthews is just not relevant. I mean we even had a post today wondering whether it was the corners or REED who was at fault!! Come on!

I'm sorry and I know this probably isn't in the right forum, but it's getting to the point that I'm embarrassed to be a Ravens fan. I always thought that was only something Philly fans had to deal with. Stop being so dang negative. Just because YOU see it as truth (whether it is or it isn't) doesn't mean that it's 'constructive criticism', sometimes it's just being negative and nasty for the sake of being negative and nasty. We're 5-2, we're still a good team, and we're not going to be firing anyone. So please, stop.
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Barely beat the Bills(who were 0-5), in our own house. I'm tired of people like you acting like that's acceptable. So you can be tired of people complaining, but until they give us something to praise... complaining is pretty much what you're going to get. We gave praise to the kicker, the punter, and Josh Wilson. So if all you wanna read is sunshine and rainbows... then go read those threads.

The week before a BYE, and the week after an embarassing loss to the Patriots with no Randy Moss, we all expected a much better performance from the Ravens. And yes, as paying fans... we deserved a much better performance.

[rlh445]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1288008039' post='520268']
This is a discussion board. Not a praise board. If you don't like the bad with the good, get outta here!

If "pulling out a win" versus the Bills at home during our ten year super bowl anniversary is something of a feat than I find that sad. "Man up"? Are you serious? You think the players are happy they won today? Yeah, but most of them are ticked off by the way they played. Yeah we are 5-2 but people are leaving these comments and starting these threads so that we can see the things we are doing wrong get fixed. But go on, Sound like the lone justified Raven Fan.

[img]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/public/style_emoticons/default/34853_shakehead.GIF[/img]
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I know you hate me for some odd reason, Alexir, but you're probably being so defensive because you fit right in with what I was trying to convey. Where in my post did you see that I didn't want to take the good with the bad? Why is it only BloodRaven and Alexir who seem to think that if I can't handle the criticism (of the team) that I should leave? I was here gnashing teeth over the Ravens three years ago, and I'll be here three years from now..criticism isn't what I was talking about, and most of the people who've posted in this thread understood that.

It's not about criticism, it's about over criticism to the point of madness. Like you asking me if I think the Ravens are happy to have won the Buffalo game...uh, DUH! Of course they are. Teams are gonna have bad games, but it's the great teams that find a way to win despite that. The problem is that when you go to an extreme of firing, or saying Joe's doing horribly when he's been playing quite well for the past three weeks, or suggesting that the team doesn't 'deserve' to win isn't even criticism, it's just stupid.

In reality, we don't NEED to see the things 'we' are doing wrong, because none of us play for the Ravens. Cam and Harbs don't come here and scout out what all of us brilliant fans think, and most of the suggestions made here are for US, not them. So why do we have to be all negative Nancy between each other? No matter how much you demand that the Ravens feel bad for their win (see how idiotic that sounds?) they're not going to, and they shouldn't. I'm certainly not a 'lone' Ravens fan, as many seem to have echoed my sentiments. This isn't a slam on any one person, this was just an outcry to those that think OVER negativity is constructive..'cuz folks, it ain't.

I'll gladly step right up and say I've been negative about the team plenty of times over the years. I'll scream, I'll hate what they did and wonder why they did it. For about three or four hours after the game. And that's fine. But when people were clamoring for Troy over Joe, OVER AND OVER, that stuff is what I'm talking about. Okay?

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1288119304' post='521523']
I know you hate me for some odd reason, Alexir, but you're probably being so defensive because you fit right in with what I was trying to convey. Where in my post did you see that I didn't want to take the good with the bad? Why is it only BloodRaven and Alexir who seem to think that if I can't handle the criticism (of the team) that I should leave? I was here gnashing teeth over the Ravens three years ago, and I'll be here three years from now..criticism isn't what I was talking about, and most of the people who've posted in this thread understood that.

It's not about criticism, it's about over criticism to the point of madness. Like you asking me if I think the Ravens are happy to have won the Buffalo game...uh, DUH! Of course they are. Teams are gonna have bad games, but it's the great teams that find a way to win despite that. The problem is that when you go to an extreme of firing, or saying Joe's doing horribly when he's been playing quite well for the past three weeks, or suggesting that the team doesn't 'deserve' to win isn't even criticism, it's just stupid.

In reality, we don't NEED to see the things 'we' are doing wrong, because none of us play for the Ravens. [b]Cam and Harbs don't come here and scout out what all of us brilliant fans think,[/b] and most of the suggestions made here are for US, not them. So why do we have to be all negative Nancy between each other? No matter how much you demand that the Ravens feel bad for their win (see how idiotic that sounds?) they're not going to, and they shouldn't. I'm certainly not a 'lone' Ravens fan, as many seem to have echoed my sentiments. This isn't a slam on any one person, this was just an outcry to those that think OVER negativity is constructive..'cuz folks, it ain't.

I'll gladly step right up and say I've been negative about the team plenty of times over the years. I'll scream, I'll hate what they did and wonder why they did it. For about three or four hours after the game. And that's fine. But when people were clamoring for Troy over Joe, OVER AND OVER, that stuff is what I'm talking about. Okay?
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Actually perhaps they themselves don't personally but if you watched the pressers coming out the week prior to the Bills' game and the most recent one about pressure on the QB, they DO peruse the boards to see what the fans are concerned about and talking about.

[rlh445]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1288114279' post='521462']
Barely beat the Bills(who were 0-5), in our own house. I'm tired of people like you acting like that's acceptable. So you can be tired of people complaining, but until they give us something to praise... complaining is pretty much what you're going to get. We gave praise to the kicker, the punter, and Josh Wilson. So if all you wanna read is sunshine and rainbows... then go read those threads.

The week before a BYE, and the week after an embarassing loss to the Patriots with no Randy Moss, we all expected a much better performance from the Ravens. And yes, as paying fans... we deserved a much better performance.
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Let me just ask you this question: Would the Ravens have won this game two years ago? Probably not. We were reaaallly bad at holding a lead, and even worse at making it up once we'd lost it. Two years ago, this game was done once the Bills pulled ten points away. But now, this team, even when playing badly still found a way to put up thirty seven points and come away with a W. Is it acceptable to me? Yes, because they aren't playing to *my* standards. Is it acceptable to Harbs and Co.? Heck no it's not, and they're going to do their best to address it. That's all we can ask for as fans. How would you like to be 1-5 with Flacco out of commission? You wanna see playing like crap? Check out the Denver Broncos.

My point is that 'people like you' (your words, not mine) can't see the forest for the trees and even though in the NFL, our grass is about as green as it gets right now you'd rather spend time moaning and denouncing people who don't feel like thrashing the team about the head with a switch for being 5-2 headed into the bye. I'm sorry I take my 'anger' at the team out during the actual game so that I can have rational discourse on the boards later. My bad, bro!

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1288119677' post='521537']
Let me just ask you this question: Would the Ravens have won this game two years ago? Probably not. We were reaaallly bad at holding a lead, and even worse at making it up once we'd lost it. Two years ago, this game was done once the Bills pulled ten points away. But now, this team, even when playing badly still found a way to put up thirty seven points and come away with a W. Is it acceptable to me? Yes, because they aren't playing to *my* standards. Is it acceptable to Harbs and Co.? Heck no it's not, and they're going to do their best to address it. That's all we can ask for as fans. How would you like to be 1-5 with Flacco out of commission? You wanna see playing like crap? Check out the Denver Broncos.

My point is that 'people like you' (your words, not mine) can't see the forest for the trees and even though in the NFL, our grass is about as green as it gets right now you'd rather spend time moaning and denouncing people who don't feel like thrashing the team about the head with a switch for being 5-2 headed into the bye. I'm sorry I take my 'anger' at the team out during the actual game so that I can have rational discourse on the boards later. My bad, bro!
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Hey, I am happy we are heading into the bye at 5-2. Especially with the opening schedule the NFL decided to drop on us. But I am concerned by our performances in the last two games and some other things from the early games [i]going forward.[/i]

You say that we should be content because Harbs and Co will deal with it. That is ignoring the pressers that come out though which I think is why some fans seemed to go overboard. Cam comes out and says that his play calling was not conservative (Harbs backs him) against NE in the 4th and OT. I mean, we saw the game, we all know better. That is disconcerting because it then becomes a matter of something we see going badly not being addressed.

Same goes with the QB pressure. Hey, we haven't had decent pressure all season and the Bills made our secondary pay for it on Sunday. Yet, Harbs comes out and says "he's happy" with the pressure we had. This is bound to set people off. So your argument that Harbs and Co will deal with it and we as fans should just sit back and enjoy does not hold water.

[Tighthead420]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1288119304' post='521523']
I know you hate me for some odd reason, Alexir, but you're probably being so defensive because you fit right in with what I was trying to convey. Where in my post did you see that I didn't want to take the good with the bad? Why is it only BloodRaven and Alexir who seem to think that if I can't handle the criticism (of the team) that I should leave? I was here gnashing teeth over the Ravens three years ago, and I'll be here three years from now..criticism isn't what I was talking about, and most of the people who've posted in this thread understood that.

It's not about criticism, it's about over criticism to the point of madness. Like you asking me if I think the Ravens are happy to have won the Buffalo game...uh, DUH! Of course they are. Teams are gonna have bad games, but it's the great teams that find a way to win despite that. The problem is that when you go to an extreme of firing, or saying Joe's doing horribly when he's been playing quite well for the past three weeks, or suggesting that the team doesn't 'deserve' to win isn't even criticism, it's just stupid.

In reality, we don't NEED to see the things 'we' are doing wrong, because none of us play for the Ravens. Cam and Harbs don't come here and scout out what all of us brilliant fans think, and most of the suggestions made here are for US, not them. So why do we have to be all negative Nancy between each other? No matter how much you demand that the Ravens feel bad for their win (see how idiotic that sounds?) they're not going to, and they shouldn't. I'm certainly not a 'lone' Ravens fan, as many seem to have echoed my sentiments. This isn't a slam on any one person, this was just an outcry to those that think OVER negativity is constructive..'cuz folks, it ain't.

I'll gladly step right up and say I've been negative about the team plenty of times over the years. I'll scream, I'll hate what they did and wonder why they did it. For about three or four hours after the game. And that's fine. But when people were clamoring for Troy over Joe, OVER AND OVER, that stuff is what I'm talking about. Okay?
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There are two things at play here. One...this is an INTERNET MESSAGE BOARD. Any and all comments are not necessarily the actual views of the poster. Once you accept that, blogging on boards like this becomes much less frustrating. Personally I crack up out loud when I see folks here react to what someone posted. Getting all bent out of shape about a blog post says more about you than it does about the poster. I know the rules state that there's "no trolling behavior," but that's only enforceable in the most obvious of cases.

Two...there are people on here who take themselves WAY too seriously. Again...internet. If you had any clue how to play or coach at the NFL level, guess what...you would be doing just that! So, when people get on here and post their drivel it makes me laugh because in reality they have no bleeping clue whatsoever (and no neither do I). The problem is that I admit my venting is just that (especially after drinking all day Sunday). But I certainly don't get on here with some over-inflated notion of self worth. Get over yourselves folks...you really don't matter beyond paying fans.

This wasn't directed at you, rlh. The whole forum is full of clowns, the difference depends which attitude you take. The world is collapsing or everything is hunkey-dorey.

Now...as I said, it's the internet! Have fun with it folks, don't let it get under your skin so much.

[XxSizzleXx]

[baltravens]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1287984946' post='520149']
This doesn't belong here, and I'm not sure where it does. I'm just tired of it, guys. Cam sucks because he's not throwing it more. Cam sucks because he's not running it more. Cam sucks because our players are just not executing but we can't blame them. Flacco sucks because he throws off his back foot, and nevermind that he hasn't thrown a pick in three straight games. Ray Rice sucks because he's not ripping off 20+ yard runs every snap. Blah, blah, blah. We may be the best fanbase, but man, we are also the most fickle and most short memory laden fanbase as well.

It's like when everyone is clamoring for Joe's head because we forgot that we used to keep a QB for a season and then go get a new one that played even worse then the one we let go....and this went on for more seasons than I'd care to admit. Or when people are mad at Cam for this or that, and then call for Billick forgetting that the exact reason we let Billick go was for the exact same issues they're losing their heads over.

I'm tired of it guys. Man up! I mean, only Ravens fans would hate on the team after a blowout of the Denver Broncos. Only Ravens fans would hate on the team after a close victory over Pittsburgh IN Pittsburgh. Criticism is to be expected and is okay. But to say Suggs isn't doing his job because he doesn't have the amount of sacks of say, Clay Matthews is just not relevant. I mean we even had a post today wondering whether it was the corners or REED who was at fault!! Come on!

I'm sorry and I know this probably isn't in the right forum, but it's getting to the point that I'm embarrassed to be a Ravens fan. I always thought that was only something Philly fans had to deal with. Stop being so dang negative. Just because YOU see it as truth (whether it is or it isn't) doesn't mean that it's 'constructive criticism', sometimes it's just being negative and nasty for the sake of being negative and nasty. We're 5-2, we're still a good team, and we're not going to be firing anyone. So please, stop.
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The real and true fans do not bash the Baltimore Ravens. GO RAVENS!!!

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='baltravens' timestamp='1288124718' post='521601']
[i][b]The real and true fans do not bash the Baltimore Ravens.[/b][/i] GO RAVENS!!!
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[rlh445]

[quote name='baltravens' timestamp='1288124718' post='521601']
The real and true fans do not bash the Baltimore Ravens. GO RAVENS!!!
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Oh no, please don't say things like that when quoting me, that's not at all what I said or meant! .

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

I can't believe that we, as a fanbase, have imploded over the fact that our team is 5-2! I understand there are personal differences, I understand that some like to let out critical steam when they need to and others like to see positives in performances. But everyone needs to chill. If you don't like what somebody says, don't respond to their OPINIONS and lets keep it friendly on here guys!

[CorvusCorax]

What you are forgetting is that most of us WANT our team to play well. We hold them to a high standard (especially defense) and want them to succeed. When we see them struggling it frustrates us. Some of the board members express their frustrations and share opinions.

Bottom line you take the bad with the good. There was plenty bad going on this past Sunday.

[CorvusCorax]

Let's not forget that no one is forcing you to read or respond to these threads.

[rlh445]

[quote name='CorvusCorax' timestamp='1288126537' post='521643']
Let's not forget that no one is forcing you to read or respond to these threads.
[/quote]

Right back atcha, .

[jaege]

Gotta agree. As fans it is our duty to b!^(# and grouse and complain over every little thing. It is our right to do the same, since we are the ones that keep the money machine rolling. Who buys all the games tickets and concessions? Who buys all the jerseys, foam fingers, bells, whistles, flags and other paraphernalia? For all the money we spend we get to complain, but it does get tedious sometimes.

[baltravens]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1288125437' post='521618']
Oh no, please don't say things like that when quoting me, that's not at all what I said or meant! .
[/quote]
No one is 'quoting' you, it is simply giving deference or using your post as a base. Lighten up if you want to post a thread.

[RivenHale]

[quote name='CorvusCorax' timestamp='1288126419' post='521642']
[b]Bottom line[/b] you take the bad with the good.
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Ray Lewis, what're you doing posting on this forum? You're on a bye week! You so silly, Ray Lewis.

[cursona pirate]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1287984946' post='520149']
This doesn't belong here, and I'm not sure where it does. I'm just tired of it, guys. Cam sucks because he's not throwing it more. Cam sucks because he's not running it more. Cam sucks because our players are just not executing but we can't blame them. Flacco sucks because he throws off his back foot, and nevermind that he hasn't thrown a pick in three straight games. Ray Rice sucks because he's not ripping off 20+ yard runs every snap. Blah, blah, blah. We may be the best fanbase, but man, we are also the most fickle and most short memory laden fanbase as well.

It's like when everyone is clamoring for Joe's head because we forgot that we used to keep a QB for a season and then go get a new one that played even worse then the one we let go....and this went on for more seasons than I'd care to admit. Or when people are mad at Cam for this or that, and then call for Billick forgetting that the exact reason we let Billick go was for the exact same issues they're losing their heads over.

I'm tired of it guys. Man up! I mean, only Ravens fans would hate on the team after a blowout of the Denver Broncos. Only Ravens fans would hate on the team after a close victory over Pittsburgh IN Pittsburgh. Criticism is to be expected and is okay. But to say Suggs isn't doing his job because he doesn't have the amount of sacks of say, Clay Matthews is just not relevant. I mean we even had a post today wondering whether it was the corners or REED who was at fault!! Come on!

I'm sorry and I know this probably isn't in the right forum, but it's getting to the point that I'm embarrassed to be a Ravens fan. I always thought that was only something Philly fans had to deal with. Stop being so dang negative. Just because YOU see it as truth (whether it is or it isn't) doesn't mean that it's 'constructive criticism', sometimes it's just being negative and nasty for the sake of being negative and nasty. We're 5-2, we're still a good team, and we're not going to be firing anyone. So please, stop.
[/quote]
thanks i wanted to say the same thing but could not put into words!!!!
i never talk negative of anyone

[rlh445]

[quote name='baltravens' timestamp='1288128655' post='521673']
No one is 'quoting' you, it is simply giving deference or using your post as a base. Lighten up if you want to post a thread.
[/quote]


Um, he used my entire original post as a way to springboard into his, saying that any sort of criticism against the Ravens wasn't done by 'real fans', the exact sentiment I was actively trying to avoid. He was quoting me in order to further his stance. He could have just posted that on his own without using my post 'as a base'. Please try to keep up, Balt.

[yakraven]

I agree with the poster. It's one thing to have valid criticism but another to say fire
the coaches; the QB can't play andso many of the other things that get said on "here"
("here" being any of the Raven threads - forum, news or blogs).

Complaints are also ok, but also acknowledge that we won; games may not always be pretty,
but if we get a W then be happy for the team.

[flynismo]

[quote name='CorvusCorax' timestamp='1288126537' post='521643']<br />Let's not forget that no one is forcing you to read or respond to these threads.<br />[/quote]

true, but someone has to squash the rash of stupidity that goes on around here sometimes. I still havent stopped laughing at all the 'bench flacco' comments from a few weeks ago.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but if your opinion is stupid then just keep it to yourself lol...

[Moderator 3]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1288171723' post='521978']

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but if your opinion is stupid then just keep it to yourself lol...
[/quote]

"Stupid" is in the eye of the beholder. I'm sure no one thinks that their opinion is stupid.

[noy]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1288171723' post='521978']
true, but someone has to squash the rash of stupidity that goes on around here sometimes. I still havent stopped laughing at all the 'bench flacco' comments from a few weeks ago.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but if your opinion is stupid then just keep it to yourself lol...
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Not sure how this squashes anything, because the OP has no influence on the target audience. He would get influence by making a positive rep for himself, or have hierarchical power by being a Mod, but he has neither so this thread is...as you so eloquently stated...stupid in its own way. He just posted on another thread about how he fears the forum will explode if B. Marshall lights up our secondary. He's focused on these peoples' stupid opinion when he can do nothing about their right to express it.

The bottom line is, this thread doesn't create a stimulating debate about football or the Ravens, which makes it even more useless than the very threads he is trying to attack. That also shows that it doesn't belong in this forum, as it is off topic.

[Moderator 3]

[quote name='noy' timestamp='1288192644' post='522127']
The bottom line is, this thread doesn't create a stimulating debate about football or the Ravens, which makes it even more useless than the very threads he is trying to attack. That also shows that it doesn't belong in this forum, as it is off topic.
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Agreed. It is now in the Ravens Fans forum.

[Purple Nurple]

Wow. This thread goes against all the laws of physics. A thread about whining and complaining is filled with nothing but whining and complaining. I thought two things couldnt fill the same space at the same time. Duck everyone!, the world is about to implode because of this stupid thread!!!!

I cant even go into Ravens Talk anymore. Its sad.

[rlh445]

Hey noy! The first sentence of my original post was, 'This doesn't belong here, and I'm not sure where it does,'. So I was very aware when I made the post that it didn't belong and admitted I wasn't sure where it belonged. .