With The Exception Of Fabe....

[bmore187]

We all know Fabian is truly a piss poor excuse of a corner but do you guys think that the rest of our secondary is being victimized by our huge lack of a pass rush from our front 4? I mean we really cant expect our dbs to cover for 8 secs each play......Not even Revis or Asoumgha can cover forever..........thoughts?

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

Fabian is an average corner who shouldn't be starting, but our pass rush killed us. We knew in the offseason, if our front seven didn't play well then our secondary would get killed.

[purple.n.black]

Well lack of pass rush combined with blitzing so many. If you don't get pressure but don't send many after the QB you may be fine. But when you blitz 6+ you better get some pressure on the QB or he will find some 1on1 mismatches.

[JJones-HBK]

Hmmm for the sake of being civil..Fabian Washington should not be starting and I'll leave it at that. I personally don't think that blame for this performance can be put on our pass rush although it wasn't that great. Fabian Washington truly showed me how inadequate he is out there on that island. I'd like to go back to one particular play where Lee Evans, I believe, ran a quick slant and made Fabian do a 360..are you serious!?! I've played corner and continue to play corner albeit not pro, NEVER have I played close/press technique and had a reciever turn me 360 degrees on a damn slant..you kidding me!? I'm just thankful they pulled him out when they finally did..he's horrid against decent route running recievers but I'm thankful the Bills truly exposed him going into our bye week. I think our front seven is as dominant as any in the league we just need to shore some things up as far as these mediocre running backs getting yards against us..hmmm maybe that's why they're running on us to begin with??

[PuRock]

[quote name='bmore187' timestamp='1287954185' post='519164']
We all know Fabian is truly a piss poor excuse of a corner but do you guys think that the rest of our secondary is being victimized by our huge lack of a pass rush from our front 4? I mean we really cant expect our dbs to cover for 8 secs each play......Not even Revis or Asoumgha can cover forever..........thoughts?
[/quote]

Ofcourse they go hand and hand. When you get pressure your cornerbacks will look awesome. See Revis. But then again if you are only rushing 3 or 4 you would expect your secondary be able to hold their own.

Its obviously a little bit of both. The lack of pressure is hurting the CBs, but the CBs haven't held up their end of the bargain when we don't rush many.

[Ed_Reed20]

To answer the OP's question, it's a combination of both. There were times today when Fitzpatrick had far too much time to survey the field and found the open man. However, there were also other occasions where the CBs used poor technique, quick passes were thrown and a slew of defenders whiffed trying to make the tackle.

[hammer]

L. Webb was horrible today too, in bothe coverage and tackling.

[Jamal]

I think its a combination, but I'd still give the lack of a pass rush being the biggest reason.

As for Washington, I call him Average Washington and thats exactly what he is. Although today he was beyond terrible.

[ravensdfan]

In defense of Washington, though I can't believe it, it was apparent that Evans had too much speed for him early on. Mattison should have pulled him off Evans and perhaps tried Webb there. I know Webb got beat on a TD play too but Washington got burned for 21 pts and numerous deep balls. I think it took everything Washington had just to be in the area of Evans, let alone be close enough to make a play on the ball. It is what we have coaches for. They are supposed to be able to recognize this stuff and make adjustments at half time. Not us though. We just leave him out there to hang.

As for our pass rush, how do you expect to get any pressure on the QB when you are rushing 3? Over and over and over. In obvious passing situations. It is insane.

[PuRock]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1287957134' post='519284']
In defense of Washington, though I can't believe it, [b]it was apparent that Evans had too much speed for him early on. [/b]Mattison should have pulled him off Evans and perhaps tried Webb there. I know Webb got beat on a TD play too but Washington got burned for 21 pts and numerous deep balls. I think it took everything Washington had just to be in the area of Evans, let alone be close enough to make a play on the ball. It is what we have coaches for. They are supposed to be able to recognize this stuff and make adjustments at half time. Not us though. We just leave him out there to hang.
[/quote]

That's a bad thought that a receiver had too much speed for Fabaian. What makes him an effective CB is his speed. His ability to be able to run with the best of them.

[Bltravens]

That looked like the Chargers game all over from last year.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1287957238' post='519291']
That's a bad thought that a receiver had too much speed for Fabaian. What makes him an effective CB is his speed. His ability to be able to run with the best of them.
[/quote]

Well, he couldn't run with Evans in any fashion. Either Fabian's speed is exaggerated or Evans is really, really fast.

[TSizzle00]

Pass rush was not there but Fabian Washington had trouble covering 2 step drops.

[bauer77]

isnt it funny that our secondary has one bad game, (after doing pretty good in my opinion in the first 6 games) that everyone calls for their heads? gotta love this forum

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1287957554' post='519305']
isnt it funny that our secondary has one bad game, (after doing pretty good in my opinion in the first 6 games) that everyone calls for their heads? gotta love this forum
[/quote]

Hey I'm not calling for the heads of our secondary. I think it was a poor coaching decision to leave Washington on a man who was so obviously beating him time and time again. And I do think that Mattison's commitment to only rushing 3 gives opposing QBs way too much time, making our secondary vulnerable.

Let's face it, when you can make a sandwhich and grab a soda before you have to throw the ball, you're going to make plays on anyone's secondary.

[Corvus]

I only got to watch the 4th quarter and overtime, but the Bills o-line did a tremendous job of picking up the rush and Fitzpatrick was quick and accurate in his reads and knew EXACTLY where he needed to put the ball. Credit should be given to them for negating what little QB pressure we got.

That said, we have got to do something about our pass rush. It has been almost a non-factor through 7 games with the exception of Haloti. Either bring in anyone for some tryouts during the bye week or Mattison needs to stop being content rushing 3 or 4 guys 80% of the time...I was iffy on the Merriman possibility before, but after watching Fitzpatrick destroy our secondary, I am all for bringing him in whenever the Bolts release him. Something has to be done. We have a solid secondary, they are just being hurt by no pass rush..

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1287957367' post='519296']
Well, he couldn't run with Evans in any fashion. Either Fabian's speed is exaggerated or Evans is really, really fast.
[/quote]

Evans IS really fast but remember, Fabian is coming back from an ACL tear.

[wayne]

It seems like when we only rush 3-4 with 8-7 people back, we still get scorched underneath which shouldn't be the case . I blame Mattison for the blitzes he dials up, got to be more unpredictable with it. As far as our secondary is concerned , not throwing them under the bus yet but I'm sort of glad things happened like they did today, shows us early the areas we can work on.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1287959235' post='519345']
Evans IS really fast but remember, Fabian is coming back from an ACL tear.
[/quote]

That's true. My point was that as a coach Mattison should have seen what we as fans saw with no problem, that Washington could not cover Evans. He should have tried something else and not left Washington out there to get beat time and time again.

[bmore187]

washington should be our dime back

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1287959689' post='519363']
That's true. My point was that as a coach Mattison should have seen what we as fans saw with no problem, that Washington could not cover Evans. He should have tried something else and not left Washington out there to get beat time and time again.
[/quote]

Like what though?

Regardless, Fabian was benched after the 3rd TD he surrended and I wouldn't be surprised if he comes out of the bye 4th on the depth chart.

[reediddy]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1287956812' post='519270']
I think its a combination, but I'd still give the lack of a pass rush being the biggest reason.

As for Washington, I call him Average Washington and thats exactly what he is. Although today he was beyond terrible.
[/quote]

I agree, it's more important to have a pass rush and make the QB nervous to make our CBs look good. Even the best cover corners will get beat if they have to cover for 10-15 seconds