Is Cam Serious Or What!?

[SnOoPy]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1287772423' post='516523']
We really need to start utilizing the 3 and 4 WR set A LOT more. Giving Joe only two options outside is criminal considering the amount of weapons we have on this team.
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Indeed, if we keep on doing this. Rice will have the most receptions again this season.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='SnOoPy' timestamp='1287775277' post='516580']
Indeed, if we keep on doing this. Rice will have the most receptions again this season.
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That won't happen this year. Last week was the first time Rice has caught more than 4 balls this year.

[hawkprey]

Here's something, what the heck happened to Housh? Did you see his first catch? What an effort to get the first down that was. Easily one of the slickest runs by a wide receiver I'd ever seen. Then another good catch right after that. Then what? He disappears the entire game.

Don't tell me the freaking Pats secondary closed him down. Taken out of the game by rookies? Along with Mason and Boldin? Really? I don't care what coverage they were playing, there's still 11 men of the field and if you can't get it to a WR the entire 4th quarter you need to change something NOW.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1287775859' post='516594']
Here's something, what the heck happened to Housh? Did you see his first catch? What an effort to get the first down that was. Easily one of the slickest runs by a wide receiver I'd ever seen. Then another good catch right after that. Then what? He disappears the entire game.

Don't tell me the freaking Pats secondary closed him down. Taken out of the game by rookies? Along with Mason and Boldin? Really? I don't care what coverage they were playing, there's still 11 men of the field and [b]if you can't get it to a WR the entire 4th quarter you need to change something NOW[/b].
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Q caught an 18-yard pass on the first play of the drive that Harbaugh decided not to go for it on 4th and 1. Still, one completion to a WR in the 4th quarter is pathetic.

[wayne]

[quote name='Ravensdiciple96' timestamp='1287737966' post='516309']
It's not just the Pats that have been focused on containing Rice, it's every team that lines up against him for at least this season. What he did last year and how much success he had, teams aren't going to let that happen this year. And they obviously focus first and foremost on Rice and plan around stopping him. Which brings us back to these lame calls Cam is sending in for Joe to run. I just think Joe needs to buck the system when he feels the need ( 3rd & 1, QB sneak) for one example. What's the worst that could happen, he switches something up without consulting Cam or Harbs and makes it work, then they might say hey ok the kid obviously needs more rope. If it doesn't work, he just has to sit there and get an ear full.
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Defenses also focus on all the other Rbs in the league that get it done year to year, doesn't stop them from producing ( Peterson, Johnson, etc.... ). Back to the subject, my main beef with Cam is in short yardage or redzone / goaline situations and he got to get some guts on those 4th and 1 situations.

[PuRock]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1287779239' post='516643']
Defenses also focus on all the other Rbs in the league that get it done year to year, doesn't stop them from producing ( Peterson, Johnson, etc.... ). Back to the subject, my main beef with Cam is in short yardage or redzone / goaline situations and he got to get some guts on those 4th and 1 situations.
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4th and one situations I doubt Cam is the guy that makes the call. That would probably be John's turf. Cam will be ready to dial up a play call if John signals to go for it. I couldn't see the decision to go for it on 4th up to Cam.

[ZIBBY28]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1287754838' post='516371']
I'm a little late on this but, you're on the road, playing against an elite QB who is coached by the best in the business and you're only up by 10 pts. All the more reasons why you [color="#FF0000"][b]shouldn't[/b][/color] go conservative.
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I couldn't disagree more with that statement. You try to keep it out of his hands... keep the clock moving.. [i]run[/i] the ball

and btw I meant to say 4th quarter, not first, but I think you picked up on that.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='ZIBBY28' timestamp='1287780404' post='516660']
I couldn't disagree more with that statement. You try to keep it out of his hands... keep the clock moving.. [i]run[/i] the ball

and btw I meant to say 4th quarter, not first, but I think you picked up on that.
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The problem there is that if you are going 3 and out running the ball you ARE NOT keeping the ball out of his hands. You need first downs and when the run isn't working, the quick outs are not working, you have to try something else. You have got to at least make an attempt to get the first down.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1287727278' post='516259']
Did you or he expect the offensive line to be shuffled, as it is now? Losing Jared Gaither has had a profound effect on the offense, especially in the running game.

The running game is struggling! Badly. We're putting out a paltry 3.5 ypc on the ground, that's good enough for third worst in the league. And it's not that Cam isn't calling enough runs, we have the second most runs in the NFL, too. That's terrible. For as much investment as we are putting in the run, we are getting very little in the way of returns. Chalk that up to displacing our RG, putting him at RT, and placing a glorified TE in his wake. There's not much Cameron can do with that. He's doing the best with what he has. Chris Chester has no business being a starting RG, Cameron knows that, we know that, but it's all he has.

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What would you do differently?
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I disagree, the O line is doing a better job than what they've been getting credit for. Maybe not in the running game. But I just don't see the look in Rice this season that tells me he's ready to play football. He doesn't look nearly as comfortable, he's slower, he's less physical and far less determined. The only game where he really tore it up and looked like the Rice of last year was the Broncos game and possibly the Bengals game.

But as far as the passing game, we're giving up far fewer sacks and only four teams in the league have given up fewer sacks than us. Three of those four have played one less game than us.

Yes, there have been plays where Flacco stays in the pocket till the very last possible second before throwing the ball. Yes, his mobility has improved drastically and there have been tons of plays already this year where he would've been sacked last year but was able to escape a collapsing pocket.

But the line is holding up. Do they have a big impact on how effective the running game is? Absolutely. But Rice will simply not be able to carry the load all by himself this year, and it's up to Cam to figure out how to work on sticking with our strengths. We are becoming a passing team. So it's time to pick it up because no one can cover all these weapons when they're all on the field and being used properly, especially when we're going no huddle, which Joe thrives in.

[flynismo]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1287772120' post='516521']<br />I never said anything about their pass protection, that has been above-average, yes. I was pointing out the lackluster <i>(to put it nicely)</i> run-blocking. They've been struggling in that area, that's why we aren't getting any production from the run game. 3.5 ypc is dreadful. Absolutely terrible. But that is not entirely Cameron's fault, that is an execution issue. Our passing offense, outside of the Cincinnati game, has been pretty good.<br /><br /><br /><br />Yes, as I said, we don't have the optimal personnel in there so they are struggling in the run game. I agree with all the points you're making, you're right. Again, I'm not saying Cameron is perfect, he's not, but the offense's struggles have more to do with execution <i>(especially in the running game)</i> than him, IMO.<br /><br /><br /><br />Again, agreeing with what you're saying. Cam hasn't been perfect. TJ Houshmandzadeh, for a third WR, has been out there a lot. I would like to see more two-TE sets but maybe Dickson and Pitta aren't there yet - plus Heap has been playing at a high level. <br /><br />I don't agree with the &quot;creativity&quot; point, though. Focus on the fundamentals, don't be cute. Putting Haloti on the goal line, running an option play with Boldin, etc may be &quot;creative&quot; but it's not effective. They just need to get the job done, no matter how ugly.<br />[/quote]

I dont really think that a two RB set falls under the 'gadget' or 'cute' category...a pretty standard formation that certain teams use often (Saints being the most notable).

Boldin and Mase could run intermediate or deep routes, Heap on the line and Flacco lined up in shotgun with Rice and McGahee on either side; that accomplishes a few things.
One is that it creates countless options, because Heap can stay in and block, or he can run a route. EIther of the RBs can do the same, or take a handoff or pitch. It would be organised chaos on the offensive side of the ball.
Second is that the defense would have no clue what we are doing. They see two RBs, a TE and two WR spread wide and are pretty much going to guess what our intentions are....which leads to the third thing...
If the defense guessed our intentions right, it would be so easy to audible out of the play. No one would necessarily even have to shift position, and the defense would be none the wiser.
Of course that would mean cameron would have to start showing more faith in flacco...

I think the staff is already trying to ease Dickson onto the field more, as evidence by a couple big grabs he's made recently. Help him along and get the man some playing time..

[SnOoPy]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1287775499' post='516583']
That won't happen this year. Last week was the first time Rice has caught more than 4 balls this year.
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Yeah. More screen pass to Rice would be nice..lol

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='SnOoPy' timestamp='1287783130' post='516692']
Yeah. More screen pass to Rice would be nice..lol
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I'd like to see a screen or two to Rice as well.

[Ravensdiciple96]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1287779239' post='516643']
Defenses also focus on all the other Rbs in the league that get it done year to year, doesn't stop them from producing ( Peterson, Johnson, etc.... ). Back to the subject, my main beef with Cam is in short yardage or redzone / goaline situations and he got to get some guts on those 4th and 1 situations.
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Well they sure had guts when Denver came to town on their first drive, 4th and goal inside the 1 yard line and the run a pass play to Haloti??? IMO that was about one stupid call for 4th down, ok they stopped the run up till then, but I would still take my chances pounding it in and have Haloti in there to move more bodies.

[Purple Punishment]

[quote name='Ravensdiciple96' timestamp='1287790615' post='516730']
Well they sure had guts when Denver came to town on their first drive, 4th and goal inside the 1 yard line and the run a pass play to Haloti??? IMO that was about one stupid call for 4th down, ok they stopped the run up till then, but I would still take my chances pounding it in and have Haloti in there to move more bodies.
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Preach On!!!!

We couldnt have Haloti FB for McClain? That should be an automatic on any 3rd/4th and short situation

[reediddy]

The thing that bothered me was not the playcalling, per se, but the lack of adjustments made to counter what the Patriots did. They dropped an extra LB into coverage, so we should have set up some screen passes or something to maximize blockers at the LOS and let Rice make a play. Cam came up with nothing to solve the issue and our offense was stagnant.

[berad]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1287781225' post='516670']
I disagree, the O line is doing a better job than what they've been getting credit for. Maybe not in the running game. [b]But I just don't see the look in Rice this season that tells me he's ready to play football. He doesn't look nearly as comfortable, he's slower, he's less physical and far less determined.[/b] The only game where he really tore it up and looked like the Rice of last year was the Broncos game and possibly the Bengals game.

But as far as the passing game, we're giving up far fewer sacks and only four teams in the league have given up fewer sacks than us. Three of those four have played one less game than us.

Yes, there have been plays where Flacco stays in the pocket till the very last possible second before throwing the ball. Yes, his mobility has improved drastically and there have been tons of plays already this year where he would've been sacked last year but was able to escape a collapsing pocket.

[b]But the line is holding up. Do they have a big impact on how effective the running game is? Absolutely.[/b] But Rice will simply not be able to carry the load all by himself this year, and it's up to Cam to figure out how to work on sticking with our strengths. We are becoming a passing team. So it's time to pick it up because no one can cover all these weapons when they're all on the field and being used properly, especially when we're going no huddle, which Joe thrives in.
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I never said anything against their pass-protection. I agree, they're playing well in that regard but that is not my issue..

The offensive line [b]IS[/b] the running game for all intents and purposes. They create the lanes, the create the holes, they push the LOS and the opposing DL forward. Ray Rice, for all his talents, cannot take on 11 men on his own - no running back can or ever could. It's a team sport. The offensive line, up to this point, has done a poor job - Rice's lack of production has very little to do with his ability as a player, it is a reflection of the OL play.

Ray Rice had a tremendous off-season, he came in as ready as any player on the team. There's no reason for me to believe he would lose any of his ability, I don't see it.

I never said Ray Rice should carry the load alone, though. There's no reason to have a healthy Willis McGahee go without a touch when Rice is struggling. I like when the coaches mix between the two players, the Ravens are a far more dangerous team when that happens.

But, bottom line, it is the offensive line struggling, not Ray Rice.

[MsMarvel73]

Fire Cam? My question to y'all is

With whom would you replace him? Firing the OC mid-season would be the bigger disaster.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='PARavensgirl' timestamp='1287848949' post='516980']
[b]Fire Cam? My question to y'all is[/b]
With whom would you replace him? Firing the OC mid-season would be the bigger disaster.
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Noone said fire Cam. Didn't you read?

We said FIX......

PS: There is another post for Cam poll that you can vote fire or not fire.

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1287727278' post='516259']
Did you or he expect the offensive line to be shuffled, as it is now? Losing Jared Gaither has had a profound effect on the offense, especially in the running game.

The running game is struggling! Badly. We're putting out a paltry 3.5 ypc on the ground, that's good enough for third worst in the league. And it's not that Cam isn't calling enough runs, we have the second most runs in the NFL, too. That's terrible. For as much investment as we are putting in the run, we are getting very little in the way of returns. Chalk that up to displacing our RG, putting him at RT, and placing a glorified TE in his wake. There's not much Cameron can do with that. He's doing the best with what he has. Chris Chester has no business being a starting RG, Cameron knows that, we know that, but it's all he has.

/rant

What would you do differently?
Well for one thing, Rice was not effective - why did Cam not run McGahee or McClain? Also, NE seemed to make needed adjustments in the 4th Q and OT - Cam did not and I question why he didn't/couldn't. I am not calling for Cam to be fired, but I do question why he can;t call winning plays for the entire game, instead of just 3 qtrs.
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[flynismo]

[quote name='PARavensgirl' timestamp='1287848949' post='516980']<br />Fire Cam? My question to y'all is With whom would you replace him? [/quote]

a blind monkey?

[JohnJohnson]

Cam scares me.

[ravenwildman]

Inconsistent I think is the best word to use right now. Some of our games, Cam is near genius in his play calling, even in the beginning of some that went south later.

It seems to me that if the game plan in general begins to fail, he has difficultly figuring out how to quickly adjust.

He has a tendency to try to muscle things up close and teams have caught on. That QB sneak was a prime example. If we set up just like any other 3rd down with Ray and Le Ron in the backfield (or just Ray with a spread) we could have made the 6 inches for the first. But no, we throw everyone on the line and shout "here we come"! Then wonder why it didn't work.

GO RAVENS!

[Ravenglenn]

We've been waiting a long time for Cam to "get it together".

Time to move on, indeed, with someone who knows how to win, not someone trying not to lose.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1287848496' post='516978']
I never said anything against their pass-protection. I agree, they're playing well in that regard but that is not my issue..

The offensive line [b]IS[/b] the running game for all intents and purposes. They create the lanes, the create the holes, they push the LOS and the opposing DL forward. Ray Rice, for all his talents, cannot take on 11 men on his own - no running back can or ever could. It's a team sport. The offensive line, up to this point, has done a poor job - Rice's lack of production has very little to do with his ability as a player, it is a reflection of the OL play.

Ray Rice had a tremendous off-season, he came in as ready as any player on the team. There's no reason for me to believe he would lose any of his ability, I don't see it.

I never said Ray Rice should carry the load alone, though. There's no reason to have a healthy Willis McGahee go without a touch when Rice is struggling. I like when the coaches mix between the two players, the Ravens are a far more dangerous team when that happens.

But, bottom line, it is the offensive line struggling, not Ray Rice.
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Yes the O line mostly determines the running game. If the line is not getting a good push up front, then no matter who we have in the backfield they won't go far. And if they open giant holes it doesn't take Chris Johnson to run threw them for big gains.

But I still watch Rice this season and so many times after he runs for only 1-3 yards, I ask myself would he have turned that into a big gain last year. Would he have made that cut last year? Would he have blown threw that defender last year? It's like sometimes the line gets blown off the mark and Rice is decked immediately. But most of the time, the line clears a path for him and he goes threw it, but only to run straight into the next line of defenders and he goes down without a fight. He's not been fiesty or physical.

[wayne]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1287894124' post='517273']
Yes the O line mostly determines the running game. If the line is not getting a good push up front, then no matter who we have in the backfield they won't go far. And if they open giant holes it doesn't take Chris Johnson to run threw them for big gains.

But I still watch Rice this season and so many times after he runs for only 1-3 yards, I ask myself would he have turned that into a big gain last year. Would he have made that cut last year? Would he have blown threw that defender last year? It's like sometimes the line gets blown off the mark and Rice is decked immediately. But most of the time, the line clears a path for him and he goes threw it, but only to run straight into the next line of defenders and he goes down without a fight. He's not been fiesty or physical.
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Alot of it contributes to the fact that Cam plays be predictable lots of times. D-lineman when they know its a run pursue the backfield differently as opposed to a pass. On run plays, its more bull rushing / holding up their blocks and on pass plays the D-lineman is obviously trying more so to get around the O-Lineman. While our O-Lineman can be doing a magnificent job run blocking, opposing defences sniffing out our play calling will obviously dilute it.

[wayne]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1287888045' post='517255']
Cam scares me.
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He scares me also, he will be the difference between us winning the SB or not. Hell, I want to say the same thing about Mattison but I will back up off him for now.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1287896331' post='517279']
He scares me also, he will be the difference between us winning the SB or not. Hell, I want to say the same thing about Mattison but I will back up off him for now.
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Yeah, I am holding off on Mattison because I think with injuries, especially Reed, he had to rethink some things. Once Reed is back and we know he's good to go I am waiting to see if we drop off on that rush 3 drop 8 into coverage stuff and bring more pressure.

[steeldude]

Since I am from a rival AFC North team-I am advising the Ravens fans not to overlook the Bills tomorrow. They have a decent offensive team and are playing for pride with nothing to lose!! Look out I smell UPSET!!!!!

[Hjulmann]

Cam sure didn't balance alotta plays in the OT vs. pats... He shouldn't run the ball or pass it short to ray every time just because it worked last time in the playoffs.

[flynismo]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1287894124' post='517273']<br />Yes the O line mostly determines the running game.  If the line is not getting a good push up front, then no matter who we have in the backfield they won't go far.  And if they open giant holes it doesn't take Chris Johnson to run threw them for big gains.[/quote]

Is that all there is to it? Why aren't you our RB then?