Is Cam Serious Or What!?

[Ravensdiciple96]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1287725129' post='516241']
By George! You've cracked the code!

I agree that Cam hasn't been perfect in his play selection - but what aspect of our team has been flawless through six weeks? The team hasn't hit its stride yet, players and coaches included.
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Ehhhh sorry I can't buy that. Oh yeah they finally wake up and hit their stride with what two games left in the season. So what's the purpose in OTAs, training camp, pre season, and practice? The only person that gets a pass on all that stuff except practice is HOUSH. There is no excuse for the way they don't utilize every weapon that Cam cried about getting Joe. You can't just keep the nice shiny cars in the garage and open the door backing them out and pulling them back in. Just my opinion, and it's worth just about as much as every one eles. Not much!

[ZIBBY28]

[quote name='heapitup247' timestamp='1287722509' post='516220']
Well thats 3 TEs and 4 Wrs that you want Cam to use. He can only have a maximum of 4 out there at a time, and we have a fullback in alot too. Boldin and Mason are almost always in (and should be) and so is Heap. So somehow Cam is gunna have to fit in Stallworth, Dixon, Pitta, and TJ into about 10 plays. Its an unrealistic expectation.
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thank goodness for a realist....

What [i]exactly[/i] do you want Cam to do? How is SO much blame being put on him??? We had an equal number of rush and pass attempts. We got the ball to our TE. We got the ball to our receivers. We ran the ball over 30 times. We ran 4 wide sets. We ran 3 wide sets. We ran 2 TE sets. We ran single backfield sets. We ran the ball behind our fullback. We gained almost 400 yards. We were up by ten in the 4th quarter, so why [i]wouldn't[/i] you want to see a conservative approach on offense?

Cam knows so much more about his personnel and the game in general than any of us. Let the man do his job. Let Ozzie do his job to judge whether or not Cam is doing his. We have no idea what was going on during that game behind the scenes.

I'm not saying Cam is perfect. No one is, but is it [i]really[/i] his fault we didn't get a first down on 3rd and 1 when everyone knows it's coming? Do you really want to run a "hail mary" in that situation for "creativity" and "explosiveness"? Is it his fault receivers didn't get open and Flacco checked down (like he's supposed to)? I've read plenty of times that some people don't want to hear that it was about "execution," but think about it. LESS than 3 yards per carry?? I don't care if you run goal line jumbo sets the entire game, the players should be able to do a better job than that.

By all means, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Everyone has the right to be frustrated, including me. It just seems like we as whole, want to pick a scapegoat after ever loss and demand for someone to be fired, cut, or benched. It's utterly ridiculous to fire Cam at this point in my humble opinion.

[Ravensdiciple96]

[quote name='ZIBBY28' timestamp='1287726894' post='516254']
thank goodness for a realist....

What [i]exactly[/i] do you want Cam to do? How is SO much blame being put on him??? We had an equal number of rush and pass attempts. We got the ball to our TE. We got the ball to our receivers. We ran the ball over 30 times. We ran 4 wide sets. We ran 3 wide sets. We ran 2 TE sets. We ran single backfield sets. We ran the ball behind our fullback. We gained almost 400 yards. We were up by ten in the first quarter, so why [i]wouldn't[/i] you want to see a conservative approach on offense?

Cam knows so much more about his personnel and the game in general than any of us. Let the man do his job. Let Ozzie do his job to judge whether or not Cam is doing his. We have no idea what was going on during that game behind the scenes.

I'm not saying Cam is perfect. No one is, but is it [i]really[/i] his fault we didn't get a first down on 3rd and 1 when everyone knows it's coming? Do you really want to run a "hail mary" in that situation for "creativity" and "explosiveness"? Is it his fault receivers didn't get open and Flacco checked down (like he's supposed to)? I've read plenty of times that some people don't want to hear that it was about "execution," but think about it. LESS than 3 yards per carry?? I don't care if you run goal line jumbo sets the entire game, the players should be able to do a better job than that.

By all means, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Everyone has the right to be frustrated, including me. It just seems like we as whole, want to pick a scapegoat after ever loss and demand for someone to be fired, cut, or benched. It's utterly ridiculous to fire Cam at this point in my humble opinion.
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Yeah why not a hail mary on 3rd and 1, Billick would of done it. Better yet I like the Billick 5 wide set on 1st and goal from the one. Bring back Billick lol

[berad]

[quote name='Ravensdiciple96' timestamp='1287725898' post='516249']
Ehhhh sorry I can't buy that. Oh yeah they finally wake up and hit their stride with what two games left in the season. So what's the purpose in OTAs, training camp, pre season, and practice? The only person that gets a pass on all that stuff except practice is HOUSH. There is no excuse for the way they don't utilize every weapon that Cam cried about getting Joe. You can't just keep the nice shiny cars in the garage and open the door backing them out and pulling them back in. Just my opinion, and it's worth just about as much as every one eles. Not much!
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Did you or he expect the offensive line to be shuffled, as it is now? Losing Jared Gaither has had a profound effect on the offense, especially in the running game.

The running game is struggling! Badly. We're putting out a paltry 3.5 ypc on the ground, that's good enough for third worst in the league. And it's not that Cam isn't calling enough runs, we have the second most runs in the NFL, too. That's terrible. For as much investment as we are putting in the run, we are getting very little in the way of returns. Chalk that up to displacing our RG, putting him at RT, and placing a glorified TE in his wake. There's not much Cameron can do with that. He's doing the best with what he has. Chris Chester has no business being a starting RG, Cameron knows that, we know that, but it's all he has.

/rant

What would you do differently?

[ZIBBY28]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1287727278' post='516259']
Did you or he expect the offensive line to be shuffled, as it is now? Losing Jared Gaither has had a profound effect on the offense, especially in the running game.

The running game is struggling! Badly. We're putting out a paltry 3.5 ypc on the ground, that's good enough for third worst in the league. And it's not that Cam isn't calling enough runs, we have the second most runs in the NFL, too. That's terrible. For as much investment as we are putting in the run, we are getting very little in the way of returns. Chalk that up to displacing our RG, putting him at RT, and placing a glorified TE in his wake.

[b]There's not much Cameron can do with that. He's doing the best with what he has. Chris Chester has no business being a starting RG, Cameron knows that, we know that, but it's all he has. What would you do differently?[/b]
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you're amazing B... thank you.

[berad]

[quote name='ZIBBY28' timestamp='1287727409' post='516260']
you're amazing B... thank you.
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The same unto you, sir, a tip of the hat!

Frankly, I think the Cameron-bashing is overrated. It's easy to look at play-calling and blame it on that, but it's more about execution. If those dump-offs or "conservative" runs he called went for a first down, there would be no complaining but praise. We would also be 5-1, but that's a whole different thing..

It comes down to, as it always has, the offensive line. They've been extremely inconsistent run-blocking this year and it has an effect on the whole offense.

PS - Every fanbase loves to bash their OC. You'll see the same thing on a Steelers, Bengals, or Jets board.. It's nothing new.

[Ravensdiciple96]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1287727278' post='516259']
Did you or he expect the offensive line to be shuffled, as it is now? Losing Jared Gaither has had a profound effect on the offense, especially in the running game.

The running game is struggling! Badly. We're putting out a paltry 3.5 ypc on the ground, that's good enough for third worst in the league. And it's not that Cam isn't calling enough runs, we have the second most runs in the NFL, too. That's terrible. For as much investment as we are putting in the run, we are getting very little in the way of returns. Chalk that up to displacing our RG, putting him at RT, and placing a glorified TE in his wake. There's not much Cameron can do with that. He's doing the best with what he has. Chris Chester has no business being a starting RG, Cameron knows that, we know that, but it's all he has.

/rant

What would you do differently?
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The offensive line has been pretty shook and not what they intended it to be. That is still no reason to cop out of anything, and for all the hard blows this O-line has been hit with, they are doing a really good job at protecting Joe. I think he is one the the least sacked QBs in the league. So what really does the O-line have to do with anything. Do you think they are doing that poorly at protecting Flacco? I already said what I would do, bring back Billick lmao. No I'm not saying off Cam and his job, but it just seems like every week they come out and move the ball good and slowly but surely it slows down and almost comes to a complete crawl. I just want to see them finish a game the way they start it.

[Jabara]

I have to question the OP's intent.
Questioning whether Cam is serious or not, is crazy.
Do you expect Cam to go around pulling pranks when he calls a play?
Is Cam a joker? Does he not want to win games and lose his job?

In reaction to the OP, does anyone really think Cam is not trying to win and actually hopes to get fired?
Why doesn't he just quit?
I mean, is this actually a serious debate?
Some people have taken it a different direction, which is good, because this has turned into a discussion, but when we look at the intent of the OP, it's pretty one sided and kinda in a dreamland.

Does anyone out there think Cam doesn't have to answer to Ozzie, let alone Bisciotti?
If you are going to attack Cam, you may as well be attacking Ozzie and Bisciotti.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1287729903' post='516272']If you are going to attack Cam, you may as well be attacking Ozzie and Bisciotti.[/quote]

why? What does one have to do with the other?

[purple.n.black]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1287727278' post='516259']
Did you or he expect the offensive line to be shuffled, as it is now? Losing Jared Gaither has had a profound effect on the offense, especially in the running game.

The running game is struggling! Badly. We're putting out a paltry 3.5 ypc on the ground, that's good enough for third worst in the league. And it's not that Cam isn't calling enough runs, we have the second most runs in the NFL, too. That's terrible. For as much investment as we are putting in the run, we are getting very little in the way of returns. Chalk that up to displacing our RG, putting him at RT, and placing a glorified TE in his wake. There's not much Cameron can do with that. He's doing the best with what he has. Chris Chester has no business being a starting RG, Cameron knows that, we know that, but it's all he has.

/rant

What would you do differently?
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I think that the lack of efficiency in the running...attack is mostly due to the o line shift. But there are things that can be done to boost the ypc up just a tad. For instance, more draws. We all know Rice is great on the draws. And also more extra lineman sets. That has shown to work great for the most part this year but we really have not been utilizing it. And of course, spread the ball. Willis can get in a groove when he gets the ball, but he can't when he doesn't get it even once! And also that would mean Rice's legs are fresher. Which is important when he carries the ball 20+ times.

[Jabara]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1287730799' post='516277']
why? What does one have to do with the other?
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Really, I didn't think I would have to explain it to someone like you, but you have to realize that Cam was hired by, and has to answer to, Ozzie and Bisciotti.
Since they seem to believe in him, anyone questioning Cam would be questioning those two.
Maybe Steve takes a step back and doesn't get too involved, unless it's a major problem, I'm sure Ozzie has something to say to Cam if he feels Cam is calling a bad game.
Not to mention Harbs in there.
Whether you want to believe it or not, they do all work together.
I'm pretty sure you know what I'm talking about.
Cam is being evaluated too.
I think you know what I mean.

[flynismo]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1287727278' post='516259']<br />Did you or he expect the offensive line to be shuffled, as it is now? Losing Jared Gaither has had a profound effect on the offense, especially in the running game. <br /><br />The running game is struggling! Badly. We're putting out a paltry 3.5 ypc on the ground, that's good enough for third worst in the league. And it's not that Cam isn't calling enough runs, we have the second most runs in the NFL, too. That's terrible. For as much investment as we are putting in the run, we are getting very little in the way of returns. Chalk that up to displacing our RG, putting him at RT, and placing a glorified TE in his wake. There's not much Cameron can do with that. He's doing the best with what he has. Chris Chester has no business being a starting RG, Cameron knows that, we know that, but it's all he has.<br /><br />/rant<br /><br />What would you do differently?<br />[/quote]


I know what I'd do differently if I were the OC.

For starters, get TJ on the field more than a handful times a game. He's a weapon, use him.

What about some two TE sets? The flexibility that formation brings would be very confusing.

Or how about showing a smidgen of creativity? Why not come out in an occasional two-RB set? RIce and McGahee on the field at the same time could be devastating.

Speaking of McGahee, I would also be giving him more carries in the first half. Use him as a battering ram to help soften up defenses, and use a fresh ray rice in the second half.

I could go on and on about how I think cam is screwing up, and with all the talent we have, that is a heck of an accomplishment.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1287732077' post='516283']<br />Really, I didn't think I would have to explain it to someone like you, but you have to realize that Cam was hired by, and has to answer to, Ozzie and Bisciotti. <br />Since they seem to believe in him, anyone questioning Cam would be questioning those two. <br />Maybe Steve takes a step back and doesn't get too involved, unless it's a major problem, I'm sure Ozzie has something to say to Cam if he feels Cam is calling a bad game. <br />Not to mention Harbs in there. <br />Whether you want to believe it or not, they do all work together. <br />I'm pretty sure you know what I'm talking about. <br />Cam is being evaluated too. <br />I think you know what I mean.<br />[/quote]


i figured thats what you meant but had to make sure, because thats a heck of a stretch to make.

And I'm not above criticising Ozzie, he has more than his share of screw ups under his belt...cameron being one of them.

[purple.n.black]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1287732439' post='516289']
i figured thats what you meant but had to make sure, because thats a heck of a stretch to make.

And I'm not above criticising Ozzie, he has more than his share of screw ups under his belt...cameron being one of them.
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Oz is definitely not perfect, but I am sure just about everyone here loves that we have him, and many fans around the league would like to have him.

[Jabara]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1287732439' post='516289']
i figured thats what you meant but had to make sure, because thats a heck of a stretch to make.

And I'm not above criticising Ozzie, he has more than his share of screw ups under his belt...cameron being one of them.
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I'll take that.
Im not 100% convinced of Cam either.
As much as he impresses me, he also depresses me just as much.
Actually I think he's impressed me more than let me down, and saying that as a huge Ravens fan, actually only a Ravens fan (I could care less of any other team) i think Cam has done better than worse for this team.
Am I 100% confident in him, no, not at all.
Does he call a good game, typically yes, just not 100% of the game.
I don't really know of an O.C that calls an amazing game 100% of the time, at least not one active in the league now.
And really, I don't follow that stuff. As I said, I only really follow the Ravens, but I understand enough to know that Cam isn't the worst in the world, and hasn't called many bone headed plays, if you understand offense. (not you personally) but in general.
Most attack him for running and checking down to Rice in a cover 2 defense, but really, that is the thing that usually works, not to mention we should rely on Rice, but where has he been this season?
Really it seems people can't get over the Pats loss, when that was pretty much one of the easiest losses to get over for me. I don't feel like we lost to them.
Perhaps we ended up getting out coached by the Pats flipping the script.

[flynismo]

[quote name='purple.n.black' timestamp='1287733035' post='516292']<br />Oz is definitely not perfect, but I am sure just about everyone here loves that we have him, and many fans around the league would like to have him.<br />[/quote]

I'm glad we have him too, he's one of the best in the business.
But he screws up a lot more than most are willing to admit, and I'm okay with that, because I know we're lucky to have him.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1287733083' post='516293']<br />I'll take that. <br />Im not 100% convinced of Cam either. <br />As much as he impresses me, he also depresses me just as much. <br />Actually I think he's impressed me more than let me down, and saying that as a huge Ravens fan, actually only a Ravens fan (I could care less of any other team) i think Cam has done better than worse for this team.<br />Am I 100% confident in him, no, not at all. <br />Does he call a good game, typically yes, just not 100% of the game. <br />I don't really know of an O.C that calls an amazing game 100% of the time, at least not one active in the league now. <br />And really, I don't follow that stuff. As I said, I only really follow the Ravens, but I understand enough to know that Cam isn't the worst in the world, and hasn't called many bone headed plays, if you understand offense. (not you personally) but in general. <br />Most attack him for running and checking down to Rice in a cover 2 defense, but really, that is the thing that usually works, not to mention we should rely on Rice, but where has he been this season?<br />Really it seems people can't get over the Pats loss, when that was pretty much one of the easiest losses to get over for me. I don't feel like we lost to them.<br />Perhaps we ended up getting out coached by the Pats flipping the script[/quote]

thats just it...as you said, cam doesnt call a good game for 100% of a game. No one does, but with cam its different. He has no guts, very little creativity (actually none at all), far too conservative (see 'no guts' above), and worst of all, he seems to lack faith in some of our guys, most notably Flacco.

And it wasnt just the new england game that has everyone ticked. That game was just the final straw, especially for me.
Heck, just a few weeks ago I was sticking up for him, because even though I noticed that he is doing a lot of the same things as last year, I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt and let him have a chance to redeem himself. So much for that...

[Trilogique]

honestly, we've played stout run defenses for most of the year so I don't think we should be worrying too much. and you KNOW the Pats focused on containing Rice after him unleashing hell in the playoffs

[Jabara]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1287735670' post='516300']
thats just it...as you said, cam doesnt call a good game for 100% of a game. No one does, but with cam its different. He has no guts, very little creativity (actually none at all), far too conservative (see 'no guts' above), and worst of all, he seems to lack faith in some of our guys, most notably Flacco.

And it wasnt just the new england game that has everyone ticked. That game was just the final straw, especially for me.
Heck, just a few weeks ago I was sticking up for him, because even though I noticed that he is doing a lot of the same things as last year, I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt and let him have a chance to redeem himself. So much for that...
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I get it, I'm kinda there, but it's not even half way through the season.
As much as we would like, we don't know half of what is going on in the game.
We can see things that we don't like, but that doesn't mean we were there and sat in on meetings.
I wouldn't give up just yet.
However, it could be soon. If this isn't cleared up after the bye, there might be an issue.
Most likely there is, I come from the crazy side of not letting a team see what you are worth until the playoffs, unless there is a game that would make you a playoff team, and worth winning with everything on the line.
Maybe we've already showed that, who knows.
I would hope not.

[Ravensdiciple96]

[quote name='Trilogique' timestamp='1287735810' post='516301']
honestly, we've played stout run defenses for most of the year so I don't think we should be worrying too much. and you KNOW the Pats focused on containing Rice after him unleashing hell in the playoffs
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It's not just the Pats that have been focused on containing Rice, it's every team that lines up against him for at least this season. What he did last year and how much success he had, teams aren't going to let that happen this year. And they obviously focus first and foremost on Rice and plan around stopping him. Which brings us back to these lame calls Cam is sending in for Joe to run. I just think Joe needs to buck the system when he feels the need ( 3rd & 1, QB sneak) for one example. What's the worst that could happen, he switches something up without consulting Cam or Harbs and makes it work, then they might say hey ok the kid obviously needs more rope. If it doesn't work, he just has to sit there and get an ear full.

[Rav'n Maniac]

I can settle this whole debate with just a few words. Well maybe more than a few but, here it is. Cam, highlight these words on your play card: Delayed draw, HB pitch, HB screen, slants, hitches, crossing patterns, fades, 21, 31! Use any assortment of the previously mentioned along with what you are doing now against a cover2, and you will be successful! Goal: 5 yards minimum per play!

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1287721992' post='516215']
Some of you need to realize that the way to beat the cover 2, that the Pats were running later in the game, is typically beat by running the ball, and dumping it off to Rice, which isn't actually a dump off, it's a designed play.
The players just didn't execute. Rice ran nowhere, and dropped the ball when thrown his way.
Flacco even overthrew him at one point. Tall throwing to short.
Had Rice caught the ball, he had an open field in front of him, and when Rice has an open field he'll hit a home run.
Putting your trust in Rice to make a play, isn't conservative, it's simple, it should work, but he and Joe didn't execute. Given the upside, that the play should have, it's a fairly aggressive call on a cover 2 defense.
In the cover 2, all receivers are typically covered very well, you have no choice but to run, or a short pass to Rice, once the defense backs up into coverage.
That is fairly aggressive when you have a RB like Rice.
If you think throwing the ball, towards the end of the game, into a cover 2, when our receivers are strongly covered, that is not aggressive, that is lunacy.
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That is a reasonable explanation if we were talking about one series of downs. You go in, run your plays, it doesn't work. But a reasonable person, ANY reasonable person, would try something different the next series. And while I can't speak for everyone else, all the people defending Cam act like it is one game and it is not. Jets game. It was not that he was running when the pass was effective, he ran Rice to the same side, over and over and over when it clearly was not working. It was the exact same play every single time. What of the Bengals' game? A game where Joe was clearly struggling and Rice was having success and he took the ball out of Rice's hands (and they were running a Cover2 as well) and called passing plays. There are many things that could have been done other than running the exact same plays over and over with the same RB. We had McGahee sitting on the bench. Fresh legs. Why not a 2 back set? They were obviously keying on Rice. Why not a 2 TE set with short over the middle routes? If something isn't working, you have to try something else. Why not 3 WR set? They can't cover everyone. It is his inability to adjust when the plays he's selected are not working that is the issue here.

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='ZIBBY28' timestamp='1287726894' post='516254']
thank goodness for a realist....

What [i]exactly[/i] do you want Cam to do? How is SO much blame being put on him??? We had an equal number of rush and pass attempts. We got the ball to our TE. We got the ball to our receivers. We ran the ball over 30 times. We ran 4 wide sets. We ran 3 wide sets. We ran 2 TE sets. We ran single backfield sets. We ran the ball behind our fullback. We gained almost 400 yards. [size="5"][color="#FF0000"][b]We were up by ten in the first quarter, so why [i]wouldn't[/i] you want to see a conservative approach on offense?[/b][/color][/size]

Cam knows so much more about his personnel and the game in general than any of us. Let the man do his job. Let Ozzie do his job to judge whether or not Cam is doing his. We have no idea what was going on during that game behind the scenes.

I'm not saying Cam is perfect. No one is, but is it [i]really[/i] his fault we didn't get a first down on 3rd and 1 when everyone knows it's coming? Do you really want to run a "hail mary" in that situation for "creativity" and "explosiveness"? Is it his fault receivers didn't get open and Flacco checked down (like he's supposed to)? I've read plenty of times that some people don't want to hear that it was about "execution," but think about it. LESS than 3 yards per carry?? I don't care if you run goal line jumbo sets the entire game, the players should be able to do a better job than that.

By all means, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Everyone has the right to be frustrated, including me. It just seems like we as whole, want to pick a scapegoat after ever loss and demand for someone to be fired, cut, or benched. It's utterly ridiculous to fire Cam at this point in my humble opinion.
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I'm a little late on this but, you're on the road, playing against an elite QB who is coached by the best in the business and you're only up by 10 pts. All the more reasons why you [color="#FF0000"][b]shouldn't[/b][/color] go conservative.

[Perfekt]

In the offseason when he was thinking about leaving to become a head coach again i was so happy. Now we have to go thru another season like last year and hear about how our players didnt live up to their hype when really they are one of the best teams out just need to have a OC that gives them a chance.

[Marc2k6]

You ever just watch the other teams offense and wonder why do we not use some of these plays and/or formations. Hell you have it on film, if our O.C. does not have the creativity to use the weapons on this team, then steal it from someone else. A. Boldin, D. Mason, TJ. Housh., T. Heap, E. Dickson, R. Rice and W. McGahee. C'Mon Man!

[Perfekt]

It kills me every week thinkin of the crazy plays we could be running. We tried crazy stuff when we didnt have options an now that we have the options to pull off those plays we go bland.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1287733083' post='516293']
I'll take that.
Im not 100% convinced of Cam either.
As much as he impresses me, he also depresses me just as much.
Actually I think he's impressed me more than let me down, and saying that as a huge Ravens fan, actually only a Ravens fan (I could care less of any other team) i think Cam has done better than worse for this team.
Am I 100% confident in him, no, not at all.
Does he call a good game, typically yes, just not 100% of the game.
I don't really know of an O.C that calls an amazing game 100% of the time, at least not one active in the league now.
And really, I don't follow that stuff. As I said, I only really follow the Ravens, but I understand enough to know that Cam isn't the worst in the world, and hasn't called many bone headed plays, if you understand offense. (not you personally) but in general.
Most attack him for running and checking down to Rice in a cover 2 defense, but really, that is the thing that usually works, not to mention we should rely on Rice, but where has he been this season?
[b]Really it seems people can't get over the Pats loss, when that was pretty much one of the easiest losses to get over for me[/b]. I don't feel like we lost to them.
Perhaps we ended up getting out coached by the Pats flipping the script.
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It's not that I and some of us didn't get over the Pats loss, it's the Cam's uncreativity and predictable playcalling ability that we didn't get over.

Don't think we didn't support Cam. We actually defend him from last year failure in the playoff due to lack of weapons for Joe. This year, we went out spending our money and draft pick to get Boldin, 2 TE Pitta and Dickson, and sign T.J in replacement of injured Stallworth. Look at what Cam did to our new weapons?

It's something we need to fix quick or we are just some mediore team getting pawned in the playoff.

Remember, this year the AFC teams are pretty strong.

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[quote name='Ravensdiciple96' timestamp='1287729197' post='516270']
The offensive line has been pretty shook and not what they intended it to be. That is still no reason to cop out of anything, and for all the hard blows this O-line has been hit with, they are doing a really good job at protecting Joe. I think he is one the the least sacked QBs in the league. So what really does the O-line have to do with anything. Do you think they are doing that poorly at protecting Flacco? I already said what I would do, bring back Billick lmao. No I'm not saying off Cam and his job, but it just seems like every week they come out and move the ball good and slowly but surely it slows down and almost comes to a complete crawl. I just want to see them finish a game the way they start it.
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I never said anything about their pass protection, that has been above-average, yes. I was pointing out the lackluster [i](to put it nicely)[/i] run-blocking. They've been struggling in that area, that's why we aren't getting any production from the run game. 3.5 ypc is dreadful. Absolutely terrible. But that is not entirely Cameron's fault, that is an execution issue. Our passing offense, outside of the Cincinnati game, has been pretty good.

[quote name='purple.n.black' timestamp='1287731105' post='516279']
I think that the lack of efficiency in the running...attack is mostly due to the o line shift. But there are things that can be done to boost the ypc up just a tad. For instance, more draws. We all know Rice is great on the draws. And also more extra lineman sets. That has shown to work great for the most part this year but we really have not been utilizing it. And of course, spread the ball. Willis can get in a groove when he gets the ball, but he can't when he doesn't get it even once! And also that would mean Rice's legs are fresher. Which is important when he carries the ball 20+ times.
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Yes, as I said, we don't have the optimal personnel in there so they are struggling in the run game. I agree with all the points you're making, you're right. Again, I'm not saying Cameron is perfect, he's not, but the offense's struggles have more to do with execution [i](especially in the running game)[/i] than him, IMO.

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1287732175' post='516284']
I know what I'd do differently if I were the OC.

For starters, get TJ on the field more than a handful times a game. He's a weapon, use him.

What about some two TE sets? The flexibility that formation brings would be very confusing.

Or how about showing a smidgen of creativity? Why not come out in an occasional two-RB set? RIce and McGahee on the field at the same time could be devastating.

Speaking of McGahee, I would also be giving him more carries in the first half. Use him as a battering ram to help soften up defenses, and use a fresh ray rice in the second half.

I could go on and on about how I think cam is screwing up, and with all the talent we have, that is a heck of an accomplishment.
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Again, agreeing with what you're saying. Cam hasn't been perfect. TJ Houshmandzadeh, for a third WR, has been out there a lot. I would like to see more two-TE sets but maybe Dickson and Pitta aren't there yet - plus Heap has been playing at a high level.

I don't agree with the "creativity" point, though. Focus on the fundamentals, don't be cute. Putting Haloti on the goal line, running an option play with Boldin, etc may be "creative" but it's not effective. They just need to get the job done, no matter how ugly.

[FerrariFan87]

We really need to start utilizing the 3 and 4 WR set A LOT more. Giving Joe only two options outside is criminal considering the amount of weapons we have on this team.

[ravenanchors]

At the beginning of this year everyone was blaming Flacco, but the problems are bigger than Flacco and the problems become obvious because the offense is running the plays created and called by Cam and Flacco looks great, Boldin looks great, Mason looks great and even Housh looks great.

The players are making the most of the plays they are given.
The only explanation is Cam. Cam is sending in plays that cannot be successful.
When the Ravens are playing well, the opposing defense changes its strategy.
Cam does not change his strategy.
Cam doesn't seem to notice or understand what the defense is doing and he is not prepared to change strategy during a game.

Zibby asked if it Cam's Fault that the receivers are not open and the answer is yes.
It is called play design, strategy and player preparation.

The receivers are running the routes that Cam calls, so either Cam has not prepared the Receivers or Cam is not calling the appropriate plays.
It is Cams fault.

If Cam didn't understand that the Pats were spying on Rice and they had game planned to stop Rice, then yes, it is Cams fault.

It was Cams decision to go to the passing game when the run was working (Cincinati game), then yes, it is Cams fault.

It doesn't matter that there was an even number of runs and passes. That is not what a balanced offense means.
It means that you are capable of throwing or running and doing it when it is appropriate.

The Ravens have a balanced offense, which means they can successfully throw and run. Deciding when it is appropriate is the problem the Ravens are facing.

This is not opinion, this is fact
It is the O.C.'s responsibility to have the players trained and ready for the game.
It is the O.C.'s responsibility to game plan, play design and call the plays.

The players have proven that when given the correct plays that they can execute.

So to rehash;
Cam doesn't change his strategy during a game.
Cam doesn't call plays that can defeat a cover 2.
Cam has bad decision making skills.
Cam doesn't seem to recognize what the defense is doing.
Cam is relying on the skills of the players to win the game because he has poor game planning skills.