Is Cam Serious Or What!?

[AsianRice]

I think most of us have read about this article from our home page.

http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/2010/10/21/cameron-debunks-rumors-and-reports/

Is Cam really serious? The best offensive option is to pass the ball to Rice? Additionally, he said Joe has mutiple options like 2wr and Rice. Well, that's alot of option. Why are we in the world scanning around the league, acquiring new weapons for Joe and abandoning to incorporate them during the crucial part of the game?

Is Cam in madness or insanely stubborn? Even a :34853_brickwall:little kid knows that Joe will screen pass to Rice in 4th of the Pats game. Before the game even started, we already knew Bilichek will make Joe beat him, and here we go passing the ball to Rice when 5 Pats defenders were hawking Rice all night. That is really smart, Cam.

I'm getting worried if Cam refuses to acknowledge his predictable playcalling, we are pretty much getting owned by better skill team.

With all the weapons we have, now we are sitting here scratching our heads that there aren't enough targets for Joe.....

[mhead66]

Cam called a balanced game vs. the Pats - 34 rushes, 35 passes. His problem was turning conservative in the last 4 drives - 8 of 11 passes/pass attempts were less than 10 yards.

But this is history. The New England game is over. As long as Cam begins utilizing all the receiving weapons, then everyone will be placated...

[Blex64]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1287699999' post='515994']
Cam called a balanced game vs. the Pats - 34 rushes, 35 passes. His problem was turning conservative in the last 4 drives - 8 of 11 passes/pass attempts were less than 10 yards.

But this is history. The New England game is over. As long as Cam begins utilizing all the receiving weapons, then everyone will be placated...
[/quote]

He hasn't consistently called a good game since the season started. We get good playcalling for short periods of time, but never do we get it throughout the whole game. Why on earth do you expect this to change now.

[flynismo]

Balanced doesnt just mean similiar amount of run/pass plays. It also means going deep, going intermediate, going short on your pass plays, and mixing it up consistently.In other words, handing the ball off to Rice 20 times in the first half and 20 dump passes to rice in the second half isnt balanced play calling.

[D_UP]

The guy is predictiable and doesn't know how to adjust on the fly. Does he not look at the pictures on the sidelines and adjust his playcalling, at times this guy seems clueless.

[Romo Ravens]

I have a feeling that the remainder of the season will be just like the last two with Cam at the helm of the offensive play calling; doesn't utilize all of our WR's, no two TE set's, dump off's to Rice on screen plays, and play it nicely with Flacco averaging 150 yards a game with a TD and an INT.

I guess if we're content on beating the teams we're supposed to beat, and losing to the elite teams by a TD or a FG, whatever. I'm getting tired of it

[ravensdfan]

This this well...honestly it makes me sad. We are in for the same old same old with Cam. I was all excited to see Stallworth back at practice but for what? Harbs better get a clue and fast. Cam needs out of here.

[Kwothdaraven]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1287701041' post='516011']
I have a feeling that the remainder of the season will be just like the last two with Cam at the helm of the offensive play calling; doesn't utilize all of our WR's, no two TE set's, dump off's to Rice on screen plays, and play it nicely with Flacco averaging 150 yards a game with a TD and an INT.

I guess if we're content on beating the teams we're supposed to beat, and losing to the elite teams by a TD or a FG, whatever. I'm getting tired of it
[/quote]
We have already beat two elite teams this season dude. However i think it had anything to do with cam cameron.

Look at the jets. Shottenheimer had sanchez on a tight leash against us and they looked abysmal. The next week the untighten the leasg and they havent lost since. Im sure we can agree that flacco is a much better qb than sancheZ. I dont want to have to only fantasize how good this team would be with a free flacco, i want to actually see it

[Ravenmore74]

Cam is not going to be a hero every game, I can tell you this much, he will give us the best chance to win!

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ravenmore74' timestamp='1287701893' post='516025']
Cam is not going to be a hero every game, I can tell you this much, he will give us the best chance to win!
[/quote]

[AsianRice]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1287700385' post='516004']
Balanced doesnt just mean similiar amount of run/pass plays. It also means going deep, going intermediate, going short on your pass plays, and mixing it up consistently.In other words, handing the ball off to Rice 20 times in the first half and 20 dump passes to rice in the second half isnt balanced play calling.
[/quote]
Amend....

[Milton145]

I highly doubt we'll see a lot of Stallworth on offense...if he can't get Dickson or Pitta in that much and goes with a 2 WR Set when we need it then I doubt we'll use Stallworth who is our #4 WR.

What makes me mad is that all offseason we were hearing from Cam and Harbs on how we have an embarassment of riches that will be a huge part of our gameplan. I heard about how we are going to utilize our 2 TEs very well every week. I heard that we gave Flacco an advanced version of the playbook and that he will have more control of the game. None of this has happened...

[Vademor]

[quote name='mhead66' timestamp='1287699999' post='515994']
Cam called a balanced game vs. the Pats - 34 rushes, 35 passes. His problem was turning conservative in the last 4 drives - 8 of 11 passes/pass attempts were less than 10 yards.

But this is history. The New England game is over. As long as Cam begins utilizing all the receiving weapons, then everyone will be placated...
[/quote]


I agree, it is time to move on. However, if he finds a way to mess up the Bills game this will go to the next level.

[Vademor]

[quote name='Milton145' timestamp='1287702652' post='516039']
I highly doubt we'll see a lot of Stallworth on offense...if he can't get Dickson or Pitta in that much and goes with a 2 WR Set when we need it then I doubt we'll use Stallworth who is our #4 WR.

What makes me mad is that all offseason we were hearing from Cam and Harbs on how we have an embarassment of riches that will be a huge part of our gameplan. I heard about how we are going to utilize our 2 TEs very well every week. I heard that we gave Flacco an advanced version of the playbook and that he will have more control of the game. None of this has happened...
[/quote]


I too am waiting for these promises to be delivered...

[Vademor]

[quote name='Kwothdaraven' timestamp='1287701421' post='516020']
We have already beat two elite teams this season dude. However i think it had anything to do with cam cameron.

Look at the jets. Shottenheimer had sanchez on a tight leash against us and they looked abysmal. The next week the untighten the leasg and they havent lost since. Im sure we can agree that flacco is a much better qb than sancheZ. I dont want to have to only fantasize how good this team would be with a free flacco, i want to actually see it
[/quote]


Me too. Our offense contains some of the best weapons in the league. It is time we used them the right way...

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1287702239' post='516032']

[/quote]
Right.....hilarious!

[TSizzle00]

Flacco should be averaging 2TDs per game with these weapons.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='Ravenmore74' timestamp='1287701893' post='516025']
Cam is not going to be a hero every game, I can tell you this much, he will give us the best chance to win!
[/quote]
It's the other way around...

[SnOoPy]

Learn to FINISH games Cam!

[JO_75]

[quote name='Vademor' timestamp='1287703050' post='516043']
I agree, it is time to move on. However, [b]if he finds a way to mess up the Bills game this will go to the next level.[/b]
[/quote]

If he messes up the Bills game... he needs to be fired, no ifs and buts about it. It's Buffalo, I don't know how any OC could mess up the gameplan when playing the Bills.

[hawkprey]

I'm tired of hearing "Well, we just didn't execute" or "They just played a good game". Those aren't solutions. Sounds to me like we're just gonna go out next game and do the same thing, hoping this time it works. You don't trade for Anquan Boldin or TJ Houshmandzadeh, bringing in Jim Zorn for Flacco and think 3 yards/carry Ray Rice is the best offensive weapon when they're expecting him to get the ball.

[flynismo]

I wouldn't trust cameron to call for pizza, much less a game against a decent defense.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1287710284' post='516123']
I wouldn't trust cameron to call for pizza, much less a game against a decent defense.
[/quote]

lol

Cam: "Hello, let's go 2-out, 2 tight ends set, cheese in the slot, rush pepperoni up the middle."

Pizza guy: "Are you coming on to me?"

[JohnJohnson]

Yes, everyone could have done something better Cam. But you specifically could have done a LOT better.

[RavensAllTheWay]

I was thinking that the Pats game could be a learning experience for Cam. Maybe the next time were in that same situation in the 4th quarter we would spread it around and try to be more aggressive, instead of giving it to Rice when the defense expects it.

But reading this article and seeing how he thinks he did a good job, I'm shocked. I don't agree with anything he said. Ya know what this means? The next time were in a situation like that, we'll keep on giving it to Rice and expect him to carry the load all by himself.

[Jabara]

Some of you need to realize that the way to beat the cover 2, that the Pats were running later in the game, is typically beat by running the ball, and dumping it off to Rice, which isn't actually a dump off, it's a designed play.
The players just didn't execute. Rice ran nowhere, and dropped the ball when thrown his way.
Flacco even overthrew him at one point. Tall throwing to short.
Had Rice caught the ball, he had an open field in front of him, and when Rice has an open field he'll hit a home run.
Putting your trust in Rice to make a play, isn't conservative, it's simple, it should work, but he and Joe didn't execute. Given the upside, that the play should have, it's a fairly aggressive call on a cover 2 defense.
In the cover 2, all receivers are typically covered very well, you have no choice but to run, or a short pass to Rice, once the defense backs up into coverage.
That is fairly aggressive when you have a RB like Rice.
If you think throwing the ball, towards the end of the game, into a cover 2, when our receivers are strongly covered, that is not aggressive, that is lunacy.

[heapitup247]

[quote name='Milton145' timestamp='1287702652' post='516039']
I highly doubt we'll see a lot of Stallworth on offense...if he can't get Dickson or Pitta in that much and goes with a 2 WR Set when we need it then I doubt we'll use Stallworth who is our #4 WR.

What makes me mad is that all offseason we were hearing from Cam and Harbs on how we have an embarassment of riches that will be a huge part of our gameplan. I heard about how we are going to utilize our 2 TEs very well every week. I heard that we gave Flacco an advanced version of the playbook and that he will have more control of the game. None of this has happened...
[/quote]

Well thats 3 TEs and 4 Wrs that you want Cam to use. He can only have a maximum of 4 out there at a time, and we have a fullback in alot too. Boldin and Mason are almost always in (and should be) and so is Heap. So somehow Cam is gunna have to fit in Stallworth, Dixon, Pitta, and TJ into about 10 plays. Its an unrealistic expectation.

[Ravensdiciple96]

I'll sum it up for all of you, real short and simple. NOTHING CHANGES, IF NOTHING CHANGES!!

[JohnJohnson]

I don't know if Cam was necessarily conservative, but he did call some pretty questionable plays against a cover 2. The receivers ran right into coverage, and I wouldn't expect Flacco to do anything risky. Rice is always being watched, so underneath routes to him won't work. You have to run medium routes and challenge them underneath the coverage. What Cam has to understand is that even though teams are running a cover 2, they're still spying Rice. Attack it with someone else, and don't try to be too creative.

[berad]

[quote name='Ravensdiciple96' timestamp='1287724900' post='516238']
I'll sum it up for all of you, real short and simple. NOTHING CHANGES, IF NOTHING CHANGES!!
[/quote]

By George! You've cracked the code!

I agree that Cam hasn't been perfect in his play selection - but what aspect of our team has been flawless through six weeks? The team hasn't hit its stride yet, players and coaches included.