3-4 Defense

[XxSizzleXx]

When has Suggs been running his mouth off, they were getting into eachother`s faces DURING the football game which you see a lot, it`s called beaking or chirping. It happens constantly.

[Alexir]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1287687432' post='515786']
When has Suggs been running his mouth off, they were getting into eachother`s faces DURING the football game which you see a lot, it`s called beaking or chirping. It happens constantly.
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[url="http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2010/10/suggs_still_tal.html"]http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2010/10/suggs_still_tal.html[/url]

I know he hates Brady and all but come on at least blow the dude up a couple times.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1287686305' post='515771']
I'm all for bringing in help for Suggs but I just feel he needs to shut his mouth and buckle his chin strap. Im sick of him mouthing off about Brady (as much as I hate Brady) when he really hasn't done anything all year.

Haloti Ngata has more sacks and more tackles for a loss and you don't see him running his mouth of. Also I hope Haloti doesn't hold out of training camp next year trying to get a bigger contract or sign with another team. I don't know why Ozzie hasn't signed him yet! its making me nauseous.

Also, If we do get Merriman (theoretically) would you think the coaches would slide JJ in the middle and have Shawne be an everydown backer? I personally like the idea of JJ playing Bart's old position. He would do a great job shedding guards and full backs so Ray can clean up.

I wonder if that was our gameplan for Kindle?
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I tune out most of Suggs' talk.

Haloti will be re-signed. Contract negotiations mid-season, especially ones for a building block like Ngata, aren't common.

I could see J.J. sliding inside at times if the team were to get Merriman but J.J. has been hampered by injuries this year and I've noticed him struggling to get off blocks and set the edge numerous times.

Kindle was drafted for that very reason. If only he hadn't fallen down the stairs...

[wayne]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1287656466' post='515507']
The defense looks like a 3-4 to me... Matty runs a conservative defense. He likes zone coverage, and 4 man rush. However, now that Reed is back, I'm pretty sure we're gonna see some more blitz. I think we were playing so much zone because Ed wasn't back there, but now that he is, we'll start seeing more man coverage and heavy blitzes.
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I hope this is the case and it should be....... more Cover 1 now with an extra guy in the box for run support or an extra blitzer.

[Shammy]

3-4 4-3 100-200 the scheme isnt gonna make a diffrence the players need to just execute better simple as that ... everyone gets lazy it seems every so often most notable suggs ngata does aswell ray lewis is a work horse but he gets tired as well ... not bashing anyone cuz i love the ravens but its true.. the one thing i noticed about other top defense ... pittsburg and jets in mind the most there players go hard every down 110% it seems sometime the ravens only do for a half or 3.5 quarters

[justifythegame]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1287676661' post='515680']
there isn't a single player who ranks among the league leaders in sacks that doesn't have either an equally good pass rusher across from him or a capable one.

We've seen Suggs generate sacks on his own(he did last game) so let's not pretend like it doesn't happen. However, the lack of sacks in comparison to to other rush LBs goes back to the team not having a good pass rusher opposite him for the last 5 seasons and the fact he doesn't get sent at the QB as much as players like Matthews or Ware. I've said this before but notice the amount of times again he'll peel off a lineman to pick up a TE or RB coming out of the backfield. I don't see other top-flight rush LBs doing that.

The fact is, until either a consistent interior or outside pass rusher shows up on this team, Suggs won't put similar seasons as the best rush LBs on another team. But none of them make plays consistently against the run as he does though.
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What are you talking about? JJ outplayed suggs last year, he even had more sacks which was six. Thats a pretty good number for a guy playing behind the highest paid LB in the NFL. Ware has a horrible player in anthony spencer, a bust, playing accross him. Clay Mathews has brad freaking jones maybe one of the worst starters playing opposite him and mathews had like 9 sacks in 5 games. Elvis dumervil got 17 sacks with moss and a rookie like ayers playing opposite him who recorded 0 sacks. then you got pure ends like peppers williams and smith who get it done without any help. You have no idea what your talking about. And JJ is better than more than half of the starting #2 OLBs in the NFL, not even AD on the patriots was better. He could even be the best LB on a number of bad defenses. And what makes JJ so good is that he has a non stop motor too, he doesn't take plays off like Terrel Suggs. I would rather have 2 JJs than 1 Suggs.

[Jabara]

[quote name='Shammy' timestamp='1287697714' post='515950']
3-4 4-3 100-200 the scheme isnt gonna make a diffrence the players need to just execute better simple as that ... everyone gets lazy it seems every so often most notable suggs ngata does aswell ray lewis is a work horse but he gets tired as well [b]... not bashing anyone cuz i love the ravens but its true.. the one thing i noticed about other top defense ... pittsburg and jets in mind the most there players go hard every down 110% it seems sometime the ravens only do for a half or 3.5 quarters[/b]
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Nonsense, I think you're just talking about the Pats game.
Our guys are tired from a grueling schedule.

In fact [i]you are[/i] bashing those players you mentioned by talking nonsense about them and saying it's true, without backing up why you think it's true.
That is bashing.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='justifythegame' timestamp='1287720489' post='516210']
What are you talking about? JJ outplayed suggs last year, he even had more sacks which was six. Thats a pretty good number for a guy playing behind the highest paid LB in the NFL. Ware has a horrible player in anthony spencer, a bust, playing accross him. Clay Mathews has brad freaking jones maybe one of the worst starters playing opposite him and mathews had like 9 sacks in 5 games. Elvis dumervil got 17 sacks with moss and a rookie like ayers playing opposite him who recorded 0 sacks. then you got pure ends like peppers williams and smith who get it done without any help. You have no idea what your talking about. And JJ is better than more than half of the starting #2 OLBs in the NFL, not even AD on the patriots was better. He could even be the best LB on a number of bad defenses. And what makes JJ so good is that he has a non stop motor too, he doesn't take plays off like Terrel Suggs. I would rather have 2 JJs than 1 Suggs.
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I don't know what I'm talking about? Okay...

Yes, J.J. had a fine last year and outplayed Suggs but doesn't it say something that Suggs had to be 15-20lbs. overweight for Johnson to outplay him?

Anyone who watched Cowboy games last year knows Spencer isn't a bust. He picked up 6 sacks the last 6 games and helped relieve pressure on Ware. You also have to factor in Jay Ratliff, one of the best pass rushing NTs in the league. To further prove my point, The Fifth Down blog had Spencer 10th on their best outside linebackers list before the season started: http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/28/best-outside-linebackers-in-n-f-l-the-top-10-list/(notice who is 3rd). So let's not pretend Ware has made plays without any help.

With Matthews, you ignored me saying the Ravens don't send Suggs as much as the Packers do Mathews. Suggs had fine seasons rushing the passer as a rookie and in his second the year like Matthews but the more complete a player he became and the more responsibilities he was tasked with, the less sacks he got. That may not be the case with Matthews. He could become an all-time great rushing the passer, we'll have to wait and see.

You bring up Dumvervil. He had a fantastic season last year but like Matthews, the Broncos rarely ask him do anything else.

Peppers and Williams play DE and are rarely, if ever asked to drop into coverage in passing situations so comparing them to Terrell makes no sense. The same pretty much goes for Smith(I assume you mean Will).

You can have two J.J.'s, I'll take the better player in Suggs.

[berad]

Terrell Suggs > Jarret Johnson. It's not fair to compare the two. Johnson is a solid performer, Suggs is a ProBowler.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='justifythegame' timestamp='1287720489' post='516210']
What are you talking about? JJ outplayed suggs last year, he even had more sacks which was six. Thats a pretty good number for a guy playing behind the highest paid LB in the NFL. Ware has a horrible player in anthony spencer, a bust, playing accross him. Clay Mathews has brad freaking jones maybe one of the worst starters playing opposite him and mathews had like 9 sacks in 5 games. Elvis dumervil got 17 sacks with moss and a rookie like ayers playing opposite him who recorded 0 sacks. then you got pure ends like peppers williams and smith who get it done without any help. You have no idea what your talking about. And JJ is better than more than half of the starting #2 OLBs in the NFL, not even AD on the patriots was better. He could even be the best LB on a number of bad defenses. And what makes JJ so good is that he has a non stop motor too, he doesn't take plays off like Terrel Suggs. I would rather have 2 JJs than 1 Suggs.
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Have fun getting negative 15 pressure on the QB with 2 JJs on your defense. AD on the Patriots wasnt asked to do what he normally does well, and even when he only played 9 games in 08 he was 1 sack short of JJs all time high of 6. JJ isnt even playing up to his usual ability this year, so this is a mute point. Especially considering Suggs revival off the edge. I have every game recorded on both my DVR and burned onto DVDs which I rewatch frequently.

But its ok, I dont know what im talking about either.

[XxSizzleXx]

Blt, cmon we all know that you have no idea what you're talkin about

[wayne]

Yes, trying to compare JJ to Suggs is crazy...... JJ best year is about equal to a under achieving year for Suggs . Also, where has JJ been this year? I like JJ but we definitely need an upgrade at his position ( Got Merriman ? ), he plays solid for us but to make a scheme like Mattison really work, you need two good outside pass rushers.

BTW, Spencer is not a bust.

[AlaskanRavensFan]

i'm pretty sure this thread is about whether or not we should use more 3-4 or 4-3 alignments, not a debate as to whether JJ or suggs is better. Let's bring this thing back on track.

The 4-3 has allowed Ngata to play better as a pass rusher this year. It's more difficult to get pressure from the NT than in a 1 or 2 technique. The 3-4 has merits as well, but gregg has been manhandled on a couple occassions this year. That includes the browns game.

One reason I would like to play more 4-3 is that it allows Ray to do what he does best, flow to the ball carrier. He won't have to take on guards as often and it offers better rush angles for the inside guys.

I'm still waiting to see redding do some good things from the 3 technique. When he was beside Rogers in Detroit he had a lot of success getting to the QB.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1287730598' post='516276']
Blt, cmon we all know that you have no idea what you're talkin about
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lol holla at ya boy!!!!!

[BloodRaven]

The whole theory behind the the 3-4 is to disguise your rushers, yet we have no pass rush. We might as well play a 4-3 and move Suggs to DE, since he's being paid like a DE.