Flacco Upset About Playcalling?

[letsgoflacco]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1287536539' post='514393']
Guys, stop feeding the troll.
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Honestly.

[DrMoonTooth]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1287536539' post='514393']
Guys, stop feeding the troll.
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Sometimes I can't help it when I'm frustrated. I'm working on it .

[flynismo]

Its funny how the lynch mob went from wanting to hang flacco to wanting to hang cameron haha

[JO_75]

Good! Glad to see Joe is just as frustrated as we are. I think Joe should just audible whenever he wants and don't like the play. That just shows Joe is wanting to be a leader of the offense and right now Cam is restricting Joe like crazy. See it seems Cam can build up great QBs... than it ends up where Cam is no longer needed because that QB is grown up and can do things on his own... right now we have reached that phase with Joe. I think if this keeps up, Cam needs to go at the end of the year where we can get a offensive coordinator who will let Joe be himself and audible plays when he wants.

While Cam has the leash on Joe and is not wanting to let go... Cam's leash as OC is getting shorter.

[SnOoPy]

About time!! Get em Joe! lol

[DrMoonTooth]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1287539847' post='514454']
Good! Glad to see Joe is just as frustrated as we are. I think Joe should just audible whenever he wants and don't like the play. That just shows Joe is wanting to be a leader of the offense and right now Cam is restricting Joe like crazy. [b]See it seems Cam can build up great QBs... than it ends up where Cam is no longer needed because that QB is grown up and can do things on his own... right now we have reached that phase with Joe. I think if this keeps up, Cam needs to go at the end of the year where we can get a offensive coordinator who will let Joe be himself and audible plays when he wants.[/b]

While Cam has the leash on Joe and is not wanting to let go... Cam's leash as OC is getting shorter.
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I agree. It seems like Cam's former Qbs are doing just fine without him.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='steeldude' timestamp='1287536319' post='514387']
I'm sorry I don't agree with your assessment of Joe. I base that solely on quarterback rating. 80.2 puts him near the bottom third of the league and only 7 TD passes in 6 games hardly makes him a real threat. Granted some of it it camerons defective play calling but to be honest I don't see fire in Joe's eyes. In my opinion he is playing like the rest of the talent on this team. Mediocre
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Awesome

[Ravens Beast]

I'd be upset about the calls too if I was Flacco

[Kwothdaraven]

[quote name='steeldude' timestamp='1287536319' post='514387']
I'm sorry I don't agree with your assessment of Joe. I base that solely on quarterback rating. 80.2 puts him near the bottom third of the league and only 7 TD passes in 6 games hardly makes him a real threat. Granted some of it it camerons defective play calling but to be honest I don't see fire in Joe's eyes. In my opinion he is playing like the rest of the talent on this team. Mediocre
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he has a qb rating over 100 outside of that cincy game. And he did pretty much what he wanted against your defense

[AsianRice]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1287539847' post='514454']
Good! Glad to see Joe is just as frustrated as we are. I think Joe should just audible whenever he wants and don't like the play. That just shows Joe is wanting to be a leader of the offense and right now Cam is restricting Joe like crazy. See it seems Cam can build up great QBs... [b]than it ends up where Cam is no longer needed because that QB is grown up and can do things on his own...[/b] right now we have reached that phase with Joe. I think if this keeps up, Cam needs to go at the end of the year where we can get a offensive coordinator who will let Joe be himself and audible plays when he wants.

While Cam has the leash on Joe and is not wanting to let go... Cam's leash as OC is getting shorter.
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Cam is like a dictator and afraid to lose his playcalling power when his QB is grown up and ready to be on his own. If he continues to have an attitude of "my way or highway," he definitely won't last long as Ravens OC.

[JO_75]

[quote name='DrMoonTooth' timestamp='1287539976' post='514457']
I agree. It seems like Cam's former Qbs are doing just fine without him.
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Yes in deed. I'm not too sure who has been coached under Cam but the most recent ones I know before Joe are Brees(before he got hurt) and Phillip Rivers. Rivers has done well without Cam and well you can't fault Brees on what he has done without Cam.. Super Bowl MVP.

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1287540304' post='514465']
Cam is like a dictator and afraid to lose his play calling power when his QB is grown up and ready to be on his own. If he continues to have an attitude of "my way or highway," he definitely won't last long as Ravens OC.
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Exactly. That is why I put the part at the end about how Cam doesn't want to take the leash off Joe... while Cam's leash is getting shorter as OC because that is the exact truth. I don't think anyone could have seen Joe growing up so fast the way he has... I figured we would have reached the point where Joe isn't needed for another year not this season.. If Cam continues to be conservative and don't let Joe audible than fire him at the end of the year.

[purple.n.black]

He needs to truly stand up to Cam. Or just disregard what Cam calls/audible because we have too little of a chance of winning it all, not to mention the division like this

[Jabara]

Makes me think of last season when Joe and Cam were on the sideline yelling back and forth.
It's so ironic that the week before Cam said during a presser that audibles are overrated, when it was a huge factor in this game during the QB sneak/keeper that was absolutely a [size="5"]horrible [/size]call.
I don't understand Cam that well. Sometimes he impresses me, sometimes he makes me angry.

All in all, the Pats game looks like it'll help the Ravens in many ways.
Nobody wants a loss, but hopefully it'll wake them all up.
If the coaches can step aside from hurting their own ego's, they could learn a lot from this game.
Harbs has said similar things before, hopefully he gets his own message.

[UMDan]

good to see that Joe has some passion

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='UMDan' timestamp='1287547994' post='514552']
good to see that Joe has some passion
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Really?

[Romo Ravens]

I'm just afraid that winning out will only mask the fact that Cam is not a good coordinator. Of course I wouldn't trade a playoff appearance for a new OC, but the FO needs to realize (if they haven't already) that we need to get an OC with some balls. I'm glad Flacco is frustrated. Only proves the point even more

[Kwothdaraven]

I think its obvious its cam whose the problem and not flacco. In the preseason when the games didnt matter they let flacco be himself. What did we see?flacco was making audibles, notably the one that resultes in a boldin td. There were no huddles left and right and our offense looked unstoppable. This team has proven to be great on O with flacco when they let him loose and open up the playbook. Yet they keep reverting conservitive playcalling. Blows my mind

[Nadkins52]

its no one fault except the patriots they covered our recievers and caused Flacco to check down... I rather have him do that SOME times instead of pulling a Boller and sharting his pants and running, falling down or throwin picks

[FerrariFan87]

If Joe was so frustrated, why did he blindly call the plays anyway? If he didn't like it or saw something in the D that would warrant an audible, why didn't he do it? I guess Joe hasn't gotten to that stage of his development, but hopefully he'll get there soon.

[BloodRaven]

He really should air out his issues behind closed doors.

[Ravensdiciple96]

Bench Flacco and start Bulger doh.... Just a joke people. Now if Cam thinks that audibles are "over rated" or that is his way of saying he doesn't have confidence in Joe being able to audible. Seeing how ticked off Joe was Sunday, what if Joe goes against a call say in the huddle or sees something at the line and switches up, and maybe shows that he is able to run that offense in certain situations where Cam wants one thing ans Joes sees or knows it wont work and goes against the grain. Maybe Joe just needs to do that and show them he can be given plenty of rope. I always thought you get the rope and do with it what you will, I don't think Joe would hang himself (IMO)

[757RavensFan]

Ironically, in Harbaugh's presser coach said Flacco had the green light to audible on the failed QB sneak. Basically stated that Joe has to recognize what the defense is doing and adjust accordingly.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1287572191' post='514622']
Ironically, in Harbaugh's presser coach said Flacco had the green light to audible on the failed QB sneak. Basically stated that Joe has to recognize what the defense is doing and adjust accordingly.
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And in the other presser Harbs said he didn't think the play calling was conservative. Kind of makes it hard to take what else he says as truth. Let's say Joe did have the green light to audible. He has an OC that says audibles are overrated. Do you really think he would feel comfortable overriding Cam's called play? He has not earned the status of a Manning or Favre that can do whatever they like and get away with it.

[#1_RAVENS_FAN]

[quote name='Eastern Shore Smaven Raven' timestamp='1287528127' post='514248']
If there is some truth to this, than I have to side with Flacco on this. The guy is our "Franchise Quarterback" so let him play like one. Cam doesn't believe in calling audibles and he should. Flacco is in his third season and it is time to take training wheels off and let him lead this offense. We have more weapons on offense that we have ever had, and he is calling plays in critical situations that are reminicent of when Billick was here and we had no one on offense except for Jamal Lewis. Message to Cam, you took the reigns off of Rivers and look at his career, imagine what Flacco can do with the weapons he has. Let the kid grow up.
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I agree Let him spread his wings. Flacco been doing awsome job though!! But its time to let him do what he is there for. I have 100% faith in Flacco. Cam u need to let him loose!!!

[#1_RAVENS_FAN]

Im glad flacco stepped up, it was a matter a time before he did!! Yea we got some awsome weapons. If Cam holdin bac Flacco, its same as holding back the Weapons, U gotta use the Sorce to use ur weapons! Ne wayz well see what happens sunday vs Bills.And if i ever see another 4th n inches and punt with 4 min left in 4th quarter.Grrrrrr

[Guest RBates]

It was not Flacco's fault or the fault of our receivers we got out coached period. When in the world would a coach not use his second string back is beyond me. Especially when he is that good. I have no problem with rice being the starter but this willis fiasco must stop. Use the weapons you have to secure the victory gentlemen. Get it together or Willis won't be the only one traded at the end of the year.

[letsgoflacco]

[quote name='Nadkins52' timestamp='1287549940' post='514565']
its no one fault except the patriots they covered our recievers and caused Flacco to check down... I rather have him do that SOME times instead of pulling a Boller and sharting his pants and running, falling down or throwin picks
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The receivers weren't covered that well, most of those check downs were called in the huddle.

[Runnin Raven]

1) if he's PO'ed about conservative playcalling, that's great and what I want out of my QB: confidence
2) he should keep this matter entirely private and not for us to talk about out here on the boards
3) To anybody who would question Joe's passion, you haven't closely watched his reaction on scoring plays. He stays toned down throughout the drive but the minute we score he's screaming and pumping his fist just about every time. He's clearly passionate about succeeding. Also, please people, we don't want another Philip Rivers screaming his head off constantly and crying like a baby over every play. Thank God Joe is not like that.
4) Cam really does need to trust Joe more I think. I know he trusted him with 4 straight passes on the 1 during the Steelers game, but there is a time and a place I guess. Joe will likely have more picks (something we need to accept) but he is fully capable of having tremendous success. Think about things like Housh's comments about our offensive potential (likening it to the Warner-led Cardinals).

[Perfekt]

Harb has to take some of this blame as well tho because he lets Cam have free reign.

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1287573124' post='514623']
And in the other presser Harbs said he didn't think the play calling was conservative. Kind of makes it hard to take what else he says as truth. Let's say Joe did have the green light to audible. He has an OC that says audibles are overrated. Do you really think he would feel comfortable overriding Cam's called play? He has not earned the status of a Manning or Favre that can do whatever they like and get away with it.
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Just b/c Harbs didn't think the play calling was conservative doesn't discredit his comment about Joe having the option to audible during the QB sneak. As I read it, Harbs was saying he agreed w/ the sneak, but Joe also had the green light to do something different after he saw the Pats stacking up over center. Sounds to me that Harbs wants and expects Joe to make these decisions on his owns. Like the old saying goes take what the defense gives you.