3 Players Fined This Week

[SaVaGe]

Harrison 75k
Merriweather and Robinson 50k

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[BohBalmerOsbohs]

petty cash

[MsMarvel73]

It's been posted elsewhere so I'll refrain from posting my standard response....again *chuckle*

[thewarden86]

[quote name='SaVaGe' timestamp='1287521196' post='514091']
[b]Harrison 75k[/b]
Merriweather and [b]Robinson 50k[/b]

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These are a bunch of crap IMO.

Robinson does not deserve any fine IMO. Harrison certainly didn't deserve more than Merriweather.

[Shawn`]

Merriweather had multiple hits, he definitely should have got more.

I don't know if fining people for first time offenses is the right thing to do.

[theFRANCHISE]

The league will begin suspensions soon, so chances are, Meriweather's name will be heard again in a headline. He has a history of hits like this, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him earn a suspension in the Pats' upcoming game.

[JO_75]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1287521357' post='514096']
These are a bunch of crap IMO.

Robinson does not deserve any fine IMO. [b]Harrison certainly didn't deserve more than Merriweather.[/b]
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They just said on NFL Network that Harrison got more than Merriweather because Harrison is a REPEAT Offender... that is why Harrison got fined more. I would not be surprised to see Harrison get suspended the next time he does a helmet to helmet hit.

[BloodRaven]

Not to mention Meriweather has a base salary of around $550k. Relatively speaking the fine is worse for him and lighter on Harrison.

[ravenspurple]

I dont care how much Meriweather makes he should have been fined the most

[thewarden86]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1287522473' post='514119']
They just said on NFL Network that Harrison got more than Merriweather because Harrison is a REPEAT Offender... that is why Harrison got fined more. I would not be surprised to see Harrison get suspended the next time he does a helmet to helmet hit.
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His "offenses" have been "iffy" IMO. But then again, this is the same commish that insinuates that our WR's block too violently and created a dang rule.

Goodell is ruining this game.

[George70]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1287522473' post='514119']
They just said on NFL Network that Harrison got more than Merriweather because Harrison is a REPEAT Offender... that is why Harrison got fined more. I would not be surprised to see Harrison get suspended the next time he does a helmet to helmet hit.
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So, one player is listed as a repeat offender, and is fined heavily. In a sense, I am not surprised.

Should there be a suspension in the future for Harrison, I have to wonder how long it will last.

[JO_75]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1287523975' post='514144']
His "offenses" have been "iffy" IMO. But then again, this is the same commish that insinuates that our WR's block too violently and created a dang rule.

Goodell is ruining this game.
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I don't like Goodell's rules either and I want Roger out because he has ruined the game... but this helmet to helmet stuff is something I agree with.

Now I understand your mad, quite frankly everybody will be mad if a player on their team gets fined. Though I do know this, once a defensive players hits a Steelers player with helmet to helmet... you'll be screaming for penalties, fines suspensions. That's just the way it goes, if it don't concern you... you hate the fines and suspensions... but if it's helmet to helmet to a fan's favorite team... they will be screaming for fines and want Roger to do something about it.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1287525382' post='514181']
I don't like Goodell's rules either and I want Roger out because he has ruined the game... but this helmet to helmet stuff is something I agree with.

Now I understand your mad, quite frankly everybody will be mad if a player on their team gets fined. Though I do know this, once a defensive players hits a Steelers player with helmet to helmet... you'll be screaming for penalties, fines suspensions. That's just the way it goes, if it don't concern you... you hate the fines and suspensions... but if it's helmet to helmet to a fan's favorite team... they will be screaming for fines and want Roger to do something about it.
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I think I might surprise you. I've never been one to scream about stuff like that. I'm more apt to freak out about a near sack that wasn't because of a hold that wasn't called. One of the Browns hit Mendy right in the jaw during that game. The hit knocked him back, was completely illegal, but didn't seem to affect Mendy at all. There were no flags and no mention of it. Ben has been hit late and hit low and while I may have been upset about the no call, I wasn't concerned with fines or suspensions.

Goodell is ruining this game. With the exception of the new blocking rule with Hines Ward in mind, all of his rules (and Tagliabue's) have been centered around protecting the offensive player. If you keep making these guys go low, they're going to risk injuring themselves.

[True]

Meriweather--That's a legit fine. Belichick should set him straight or else he'll keep him on the bench

Robinson--His hit was legit. He led in with his right shoulder and the helmets touched after the collision. He got flagged cause that play was just way too brutal

Harrison--The NFL probably wasn't too happy with his poorly worded "I want to hurt people" and thats why his fine was huge. Also that Vince Young pile driver must have been a previous offense.

[AwakenTheDemon]

Meriweather is dirty, he should prepare for some more fines, and perhaps even some suspensions, as the season goes on.

But perhaps how pissed I was with him on sunday is just lingering.

[BloodRaven]

I think we're misinterpreting the rules here. A dirty hit by definition of the NFL rules is when a receiver is helpless and the defender launches with the helmet, shoulder or forearm into the head area. Jim Leonhard led with his chest which is why he wasn't fined, incidental helmet contact is ruled negligible as well.

The defenseless receiver rule is the one of contention, if an offensive player hasn't had time to protect himself from a hit then it's the defenders responsibility to try and avoid contact with the head. Also after this week I doubt we'll be seeing full speed routes over the middle in zone coverage.

The Dunta hit and the hit on Cribbs weren't illegal, personally I think Duntas fine will be reviewed and dropped.

[Vademor]

Cribbs was already wrapped up by two players and then Harrison put his head down and rammed it into Cribbs. If that isn't illegal it should be.

[Pitts200]

[quote name='Vademor' timestamp='1287586864' post='514732']
Cribbs was already wrapped up by two players and then Harrison put his head down and rammed it into Cribbs. If that isn't illegal it should be.
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So you're saying if one or two players are wrapping up a player for a tackle that no other players are allowed to aid in the tackle and should just stand around and watch... hahaha come on man.

It's called gang tackling buddy and that's where most fumbles are created and not from the initial hit.

This isn't like blocking where when a player is engaged in a block then someone else comes and takes his knees out.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Vademor' timestamp='1287586864' post='514732']
Cribbs was already wrapped up by two players and then Harrison put his head down and rammed it into Cribbs. If that isn't illegal it should be.
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2 things:

- If a ball carrier has control of the ball moving forward he isn't regarded as defenseless.

- Harrison was off balance a split second before and did not launch into Cribbs.

So contact for that particular hit was ruled legal and incidental by the league.

[Vademor]

[quote name='ravenspurple' timestamp='1287523020' post='514132']
I dont care how much Meriweather makes he should have been fined the most
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I agree. Out of all the hits Sunday, his was by far the worst. I mean, he could of paralyzed Heap on that one hit.

[Vademor]

[quote name='Pitts200' timestamp='1287588901' post='514793']
So you're saying if one or two players are wrapping up a player for a tackle that no other players are allowed to aid in the tackle and should just stand around and watch... hahaha come on man.

It's called gang tackling buddy and that's where most fumbles are created and not from the initial hit.

This isn't like blocking where when a player is engaged in a block then someone else comes and takes his knees out.
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He lowered his helmet into Cribb's helmet. That is obviously helmet-to-helmet contact.

[Pitts200]

[quote name='Vademor' timestamp='1287600036' post='514945']
He lowered his helmet into Cribb's helmet. That is obviously helmet-to-helmet contact.
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You do understand that lining up a helmet to a helmet is very hard. Not sure if you've ever played football.

Think of these things, a linebacker running top speed probably hits 15mph. While a rb or receiver can probably reach speeds up to 20mph. Now lets say both players are running 2/3rds their max speed, do you realize how hard that would be to line up a helmet to helmet hit?

You need to realize that it is possible for an offensive player to cause a helmet to helmet hit due to a last second head movement or if he decides to lower his head or many other body movements.

A defensive player doesn't typically juke, he takes the shortest route possible to the ball and lines up the player as he is running. Now if the offensive player decides to make a last second move do you really think its easy for a 6 foot 250lb linebacker running 15mph to change his momentum?>

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Pitts200' timestamp='1287603205' post='515010']
You do understand that lining up a helmet to a helmet is very hard. Not sure if you've ever played football.

Think of these things, a linebacker running top speed probably hits 15mph. While a rb or receiver can probably reach speeds up to 20mph. Now lets say both players are running 2/3rds their max speed, do you realize how hard that would be to line up a helmet to helmet hit?

You need to realize that it is possible for an offensive player to cause a helmet to helmet hit due to a last second head movement or if he decides to lower his head or many other body movements.

A defensive player doesn't typically juke, he takes the shortest route possible to the ball and lines up the player as he is running. Now if the offensive player decides to make a last second move do you really think its easy for a 6 foot 250lb linebacker running 15mph to change his momentum?>
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Also, helmet-to-helmet by its self IS NOT illegal.

[Vademor]

[quote name='Pitts200' timestamp='1287603205' post='515010']
You do understand that lining up a helmet to a helmet is very hard. Not sure if you've ever played football.

Think of these things, a linebacker running top speed probably hits 15mph. While a rb or receiver can probably reach speeds up to 20mph. Now lets say both players are running 2/3rds their max speed, do you realize how hard that would be to line up a helmet to helmet hit?

You need to realize that it is possible for an offensive player to cause a helmet to helmet hit due to a last second head movement or if he decides to lower his head or many other body movements.

A defensive player doesn't typically juke, he takes the shortest route possible to the ball and lines up the player as he is running. Now if the offensive player decides to make a last second move do you really think its easy for a 6 foot 250lb linebacker running 15mph to change his momentum?>
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He was already being tackled he wasn't changing momentum!

[Vademor]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1287603391' post='515016']
Also, helmet-to-helmet by its self IS NOT illegal.
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It is when you lead with your head.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Vademor' timestamp='1287603685' post='515020']
It is when you lead with your head.
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Wrong again.You're batting 1.000!

[Pitts200]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1287603391' post='515016']
Also, helmet-to-helmet by its self IS NOT illegal.
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Yes, I understand that, but the intention of my post was to stress that it's like being a sniper in the military. You watch these movies and play video games where they show all these headshots but in reality a sniper is going for the biggest target which is your chest.

Just like most tacklers they are going for the core of the body and sometimes the head gets into the way because it is kind of attached to the rest of your body. The more forward force a player tackles with the more likely the head is going to come into contact with the opponents body in a violent manner.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Pitts200' timestamp='1287604960' post='515054']
Yes, I understand that, but the intention of my post was to stress that it's like being a sniper in the military. You watch these movies and play video games where they show all these headshots but in reality a sniper is going for the biggest target which is your chest.

Just like most tacklers they are going for the core of the body and sometimes the head gets into the way because it is kind of attached to the rest of your body. The more forward force a player tackles with the more likely the head is going to come into contact with the opponents body in a violent manner.
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My comment was meant to be an extension of your post, not a dispute with anything you said.

[Pitts200]

[quote name='Vademor' timestamp='1287603685' post='515020']
It is when you lead with your head.
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Just close your eyes for a second and imagine how your suppose to tackle. Actually, stand up and pretend to tackle something. Actually, just go out onto the street and tackle the next old lady walking down the street and just see how close your head comes into contacting the person. Its human anatomy, the head gets in the way a lot of the time.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Vademor' timestamp='1287603685' post='515020']
It is when you lead with your head.
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Thats a common misconception, league rules state that if a ball carrier has control of the ball and is moving forward they are not regarded as "defenseless" and helmet shots are technically legal. Cribbs hit was legal, Massaquoi hit wasn't.