About Giving Negs (-)

[Jabara]

It's a tricky situation, and I'm sure it's been discussed many times before.
I think we should be allowed to have at least 2 to 3 times the amount of negatives we currently have.
In fact, around 10 a day sounds reasonable.
But, before anyone jumps to conclusion, hear me out.
Not only would it keep trolls in check, but I think it would also be able to keep some people from responding in a negative way, using personal attacks, etc.
Maybe it should be a benefit as your reputation grows, as in the sense that with each level you reach you get more negs to use.
I'm fairly new to the site, as far as being a member, not one that uses the site.
When I first started using the site, the reputations were listed, and I think that's a good idea. But if it's no longer listed, apparently because the users didn't like it as I was told, it seems useless to use a (+) or a (-) if it isn't counting to anything.
Also, if the amount of posts is what advances people, it should increase the amount of being a positive status, since someone can aim for that as a goal just to gain a status, and post a lot of nonsense, or meaningless talk, just to gain a title.
I may be missing something, but the number of posts should not determine someones status, especially if most of their posts are negative and quite frankly, silly and crazy.
I think if we had more negs, and not just because we reached a status because we have enough posts to reach certain levels, that it could possibly result in less arguments, and allow users to think twice before they post something that is crazy.
Anyone could post 100 times a day, but does that mean they should get respect?
Obviously, I don't know exactly what advances someone, but I think something needs to be done to discourage a lot of the negative posters, and those that post a lot just to gain a title.
I, for one, came here hating on the team, and was playing a role as "that guy" although I kept my head on my shoulders, even though I'm sure I was suspected as being a troll.
Really, I'm just a Ravens fan trying to learn the game better.
Through the system, I learned how to react to certain things, and have learned a lot about football.
I think some of us with advanced status should be allowed more negs, in order to show the less experienced, or whatever the term might be, a way to engage in actual talk, and let others realize what is acceptable, and what is just a crazy emotional response.
Because a crazy emotional response, especially when we lose, is what turns a lot of us away from the site, when it's all negative and crazy.
It's one thing to allow any opinion be said, but it's another to be able to respond, or not, to someone you know is constantly responding negatively.
I know it's a tough situation, but something needs to change, in my opinion.

[theFRANCHISE]

Negative ratings don't deter people from posting. As you can see from a lot of people who express contrarian views, they continue to post until they either get bored or get banned for multiple violations. I could probably give you a list off the top of my head of people who regularly get negative reps, but you still see them posting regardless.

Also, keep in mind that the reputation system has been disabled after numerous complaints, so the positive and negative ratings only affect individual posts, not members. In other words, the ratings are meaningless; they just serve as a thumbs-up, thumbs-down feature that many sites have to save people from posting one-word "agreed" or "disagreed" comments.

[Jabara]

Well if the ratings are meaningless, then perhaps we should have more than just 2 per day.

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1287482807' post='513533']
It's a tricky situation, and I'm sure it's been discussed many times before.
I think we should be allowed to have at least 2 to 3 times the amount of negatives we currently have.
In fact, around 10 a day sounds reasonable.
But, before anyone jumps to conclusion, hear me out.
Not only would it keep trolls in check, but I think it would also be able to keep some people from responding in a negative way, using personal attacks, etc.
Maybe it should be a benefit as your reputation grows, as in the sense that with each level you reach you get more negs to use.
I'm fairly new to the site, as far as being a member, not one that uses the site.
When I first started using the site, the reputations were listed, and I think that's a good idea. But if it's no longer listed, apparently because the users didn't like it as I was told, it seems useless to use a (+) or a (-) if it isn't counting to anything.
Also, if the amount of posts is what advances people, it should increase the amount of being a positive status, since someone can aim for that as a goal just to gain a status, and post a lot of nonsense, or meaningless talk, just to gain a title.
I may be missing something, but the number of posts should not determine someones status, especially if most of their posts are negative and quite frankly, silly and crazy.
I think if we had more negs, and not just because we reached a status because we have enough posts to reach certain levels, that it could possibly result in less arguments, and allow users to think twice before they post something that is crazy.
Anyone could post 100 times a day, but does that mean they should get respect?
Obviously, I don't know exactly what advances someone, but I think something needs to be done to discourage a lot of the negative posters, and those that post a lot just to gain a title.
I, for one, came here hating on the team, and was playing a role as "that guy" although I kept my head on my shoulders, even though I'm sure I was suspected as being a troll.
Really, I'm just a Ravens fan trying to learn the game better.
Through the system, I learned how to react to certain things, and have learned a lot about football.
I think some of us with advanced status should be allowed more negs, in order to show the less experienced, or whatever the term might be, a way to engage in actual talk, and let others realize what is acceptable, and what is just a crazy emotional response.
Because a crazy emotional response, especially when we lose, is what turns a lot of us away from the site, when it's all negative and crazy.
It's one thing to allow any opinion be said, but it's another to be able to respond, or not, to someone you know is constantly responding negatively.
I know it's a tough situation, but something needs to change, in my opinion.
[/quote]

I cant believe you thought about/wrote that much about something thats totally meaningless. You must feel silly.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1287588822' post='514788']
I cant believe you thought about/wrote that much about something thats totally meaningless. You must feel silly.
[/quote]

And the fact that Jabara wrote it at 6 am leads me to believe he was up all night thinking about it. "I can't sleep, I must tell the world about my feelings towards Neg Reps!"

I know the feeling.

[Purple Nurple]

I wanted to neg you for irony's sake but I've already run out. I WANT MORE NEGS TO GIVE!!!

[Jabara]

Dudes.
It only took a minute or two to type that out.
And I didn't think it out all in one sitting, it's been frequent that I see some crap that I want to give a neg to, as opposed to saying something rude.
I don't think it's meaningless to ask for more negs, everyone still uses them even if they have no effect.
I think we should have more than 2 a day, especially if they are meaningless.

[Moderator 2]

I will pass it on if you wish.

[Jabara]

[quote name='Moderator 2' timestamp='1287635411' post='515420']
I will pass it on if you wish.
[/quote]
Sure, why not?
If it has been reduced to a "meaningless" feature, I'd suggest either disabling it, or adding more negs to balance it out.
It can't hurt anything.
If it is a like or dislike feature now, it shouldn't be so greatly limited to one side.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1287635872' post='515423']
Sure, why not?
If it has been reduced to a "meaningless" feature, I'd suggest either disabling it, or adding more negs to balance it out.
It can't hurt anything.
If it is a like or dislike feature now, it shouldn't be so greatly limited to one side.
[/quote]
The reason why there's more plusses than minuses is that there we received a ridiculous amount of complaints about minuses, to the point where one person thought it was slander and threatened legal action, while another person thought it was harassment. There were even trolls who would follow certain posters and give a minus to every post they had, just because they had a debate at one point and someone got their feelings hurt. Basically, it contributed nothing and was only added by our software people because it was a community feature that other boards and sites have, and it really serves more of a purpose on BaltimoreRavens.com news posts than on our actual forums.

Because the news posts are, in actuality, combined with the board itself, it probably wouldn't be that simple to enable the point system exclusively to the news section and disable it elsewhere.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1287635160' post='515419']
Dudes.
It only took a minute or two to type that out.
And I didn't think it out all in one sitting, it's been frequent that I see some crap that I want to give a neg to, as opposed to saying something rude.
I don't think it's meaningless to ask for more negs, everyone still uses them even if they have no effect.
I think we should have more than 2 a day, especially if they are meaningless.
[/quote]

Me and Purps are only giving you a hard time. That's what we do. I really didn't expect you to lose any sleep over negative reps.

[H8R]

Rep diss, fool! : P

[MKdave]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1287487973' post='513548']
Negative ratings don't deter people from posting. As you can see from a lot of people who express contrarian views, they continue to post until they either get bored or get banned for multiple violations. I could probably give you a list off the top of my head of people who regularly get negative reps, but you still see them posting regardless.

[b]Also, keep in mind that the reputation system has been disabled[u] after numerous complaints[/u], so the positive and negative ratings only affect individual posts, not members[/b]. In other words, the ratings are meaningless; they just serve as a thumbs-up, thumbs-down feature that many sites have to save people from posting one-word "agreed" or "disagreed" comments.
[/quote]

Clearly from terrible posters.

[Moderator 2]

[quote name='MKdave' timestamp='1287850036' post='516991']
Clearly from terrible posters.
[/quote]

No from people that were afraid of not being able to get a job. Prospective employers look at online activity and we had the "serial neg reppers" who were giving (-) to anyone they did not like or know and it looked bad. We had several posters request their accounts be deleted over it. In this economy people need whatever advantage they can get and personally I would feel horrible if someone was denied a job over a post on a MB or someone 'thought' they were being 'cute'.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Moderator 2' timestamp='1287865254' post='517110']
No from people that were afraid of not being able to get a job. Prospective employers look at online activity and we had the "serial neg reppers" who were giving (-) to anyone they did not like or know and it looked bad. We had several posters request their accounts be deleted over it. In this economy people need whatever advantage they can get and personally I would feel horrible if someone was denied a job over a post on a MB or someone 'thought' they were being 'cute'.
[/quote]

I can understand prospective employers looking at facebook accounts, but the Ravens MB, that ain't happening. They wouldn't even know how to find them.

[Moderator 2]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1287872398' post='517152']
I can understand prospective employers looking a facebook accounts, but the Ravens MB, that ain't happening. They wouldn't even know how to find them.
[/quote]

Don't forget you can connect your Facebook can be linked to your profile here, and these posters were concerned. Some people use their names as their SN, I'm just going on what i've been told.

[Jabara]

[quote name='Moderator 2' timestamp='1287865254' post='517110']
No from people that were afraid of not being able to get a job. Prospective employers look at online activity and we had the "serial neg reppers" who were giving (-) to anyone they did not like or know and it looked bad. We had several posters request their accounts be deleted over it. In this economy people need whatever advantage they can get and personally I would feel horrible if someone was denied a job over a post on a MB or someone 'thought' they were being 'cute'.
[/quote]
Wow, what is the world coming to?

[PuRock]

[quote name='Moderator 2' timestamp='1287875175' post='517169']
Don't forget you can connect your Facebook can be linked to your profile here, and these posters were concerned. Some people use their names as their SN, I'm just going on what i've been told.
[/quote]

I can tell you this much. If a prospective employer of mine is looking at my posts on the Ravens Message Board. I probably wouldn't want that job anyways. (but they probably wouldn't offer it anways since they would see I spend all my working hours posting).

[Moderator 2]

You know what is ironic, when all this went down [i]20/20 [/i]or [i]Dateline[/i] had a special on the online rep thing-- I thought it was BS too.

[Purple Nurple]

Wow. I dont Facebook or Twitter, none of that crap. This just affirms my beliefs. Thats 110% pathetic that employers look into it like that.

[JonM229]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1287524763' post='514169']
Well if the ratings are meaningless, then perhaps we should have more than just 2 per day.
[/quote]
Negged

[flaccopoe]

My compromise: we should have 4[color="#FF0000"] -[/color]'s a day. That should more than suffice while giving members the chance to voice protest over stupid/offensive posts.

[PuRock]

You know what I find interesting, is that you can't say a single negative thing in the "News" section without getting Neg'd 10 times. Even negative jokes don't get appreciated.

It's not that I care, I just find it interesting. That's all.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1294268729' post='594188']
You know what I find interesting, is that you can't say a single negative thing in the "News" section without getting Neg'd 10 times. Even negative jokes don't get appreciated.

It's not that I care, I just find it interesting. That's all.
[/quote]
It's mainly because most of the people that post in the News section, are unfamiliar with the culture on the main board and how we welcome open discussion. They're mostly casual fans who are complete homers. They don't recognize the personalities of our regular posters and can't detect sarcasm when those same posters say something tongue-in-cheek that everyone here knows is uncharacteristic of them.

[Purple Nurple]

The new sheriffs a negg.. *BONG*

[Moderator 2]

Many of the Blog posters don't even post on the main boards, its almost like two separate entities. I have tried several times on game day to lure the people that post in the quarter summaries to the Game Thread with the rest of us with no luck.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Moderator 2' timestamp='1294285833' post='594380']
Many of the Blog posters don't even post on the main boards, its almost like two separate entities. I have tried several times on game day to lure the people that post in the quarter summaries to the Game Thread with the rest of us with no luck.
[/quote]

I agree about the separate entities. It's like two different worlds when you compare the news section with the rest of the forum. Sometimes I wonder if these people actually know that a whole separate forum exists.

Sometimes I'll just go in there and say. "Ravens are the best ever! Joe Flacco is #1" and I'll get 15 positive reps. That's the sort of post that should be neg'd because it contributes nothing!

[Jabara]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1294268729' post='594188']
You know what I find interesting, is that you can't say a single negative thing in the "News" section without getting Neg'd 10 times. Even negative jokes don't get appreciated.

It's not that I care, I just find it interesting. That's all.
[/quote]
I can't believe this came up again, and as you said, "It's not that I care, I just find it interesting. That's all."

Maybe we're finally getting somewhere.
Maybe the whole thing needs to go, or maybe we need to find a way for more of the casual fans to move from the News section to the Forums, etc.
I was a news person, mainly because I didn't have the time to get to involved in keeping up with the forums, and this being the only website forum I'm actually active in because I like to keep up on the Ravens and learn more each day about the team and football.
What I'm getting at is that this site was very helpful to my learning more of the Ravens and the game of football.
If we could find a way to bring in the News crowd and have them realize how to talk about football and represent themselves and the team, would be a great thing to have.
Why not have smart Ravens fans, and part of that is having a rep when around various users that have the experience of the site, of football and of the Ravens.
In fact, the idea that someone can post nonsense 10,000 times and reflect a higher status, still doesn't mean they are well versed in understanding football, nor makes them a Ravens fan to lead by example.
It's interesting because someone in the news might give someone else a + for saying, like PuRock said, Flacco rocks go Ravens, they may get 6 +'s for a chant.
Others that go against the instantaneous fan of fire this guy fire that guy kill em let god sort em out, might get negged for actually saying something intelligent in a blog that is otherwise known for it's craziness.
I think a lot of the fans that have been on here for some time understand the flow of the boards, stay away from the news section, I know I tend to because it's like throwing yourself in the lions cage at the zoo.
Not to mention, and this can be taken as a critique, but most of the stories in the news section are based on pressers, only a few features are somewhat separate and interesting.
I used to read each article, but I know from the title and perhaps a brief skim, that the article is based on a presser.
Anyway, it's just something to think about to hopefully get the ball moving in order to get more of the news people into the forums which more often than not, will get them acquainted with the forums and may actually learn more about football and the Ravens.

[berad]

Whenever I go to the news forum, I usually just end up getting in a debate with someone about the rules of the forum. I've made a lot of people pretty mad by telling them to stop cursing/posting in all-caps.

[PuRock]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1294331938' post='594611']
Whenever I go to the news forum, I usually just end up getting in a debate with someone about the rules of the forum. I've made a lot of people pretty mad by telling them to stop cursing/posting in all-caps.
[/quote]

Yea posting in Caps is the norm in there. Also you need to close with a tagline name.


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