Merged: James Harrison Threads

[AwakenTheDemon]

I'm sorry, but I see no problem with trying to protect the players to an extent. There's nothing wrong with trying to do away with some of the more risky hits to players heads. We all love football, and we all know the violent nature of the sport, but I also want my favorite players and team to still be safe while playing it. My problem isn't Goodell making new rules to protect the players, I support that. My issue is how much he's doing it.

[AwakenTheDemon]

It gets better and better, now Harrison is claiming that he's considering retirement after his $75,000 fine. Apparently, the NFL's "crackdown on dangerous hits" is cramping his style". Unless Tomlin can talk him out of it, he may just retire. Get real, that's chump change to you, Harrison. Stop your whining and play football. For such a feared defender, this comes off as a real crybaby comment to me.

[quote]"I'm going to sit down and have a serious conversation with my coach tomorrow and see if I can actually play by NFL rules and still be effective," Harrison said. "If not, I may have to give up playing football."[/quote]

He's acting like he's having a horrible year, or that he's completely ineffective on defense. Last I read, he was a former Defensive Player of the Year and a feared linebacker in the league. As much as I hate the Steelers, I still have respect for them and their defense. However, I've lost a little bit of that respect for Harrison.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81b77d1c/article/steelers-lb-harrison-mulling-retirement-after-75k-fine-for-hit?module=HP_headlines"]Source: NFL.com[/url]

[berad]

Seems like a passive-aggressive comment from Mr. Harrision. Akin to a wife, [i]"if you don't like the way I cook, then I'll just stop"[/i]... There's probably no real substance to his quote, just a way to get a subtle jab at the NFL.

But it would be fine by me if James Harrison calls it quits, makes the Steelers a lot less scary on defense.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1287550860' post='514572']
Seems like a passive-aggressive comment from Mr. Harrision. Akin to a wife, [i]"if you don't like the way I cook, then I'll just stop"[/i]... There's probably no real substance to his quote, just a way to get a subtle jab at the NFL.

But it would be fine by me if James Harrison calls it quits, makes the Steelers a lot less scary on defense.
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If James Harrisons girlfriend said that we'd be seeing his mugshot on TMZ again.

Seriously though, I'm not sure why he's throwing his toys, he coughs up some pocket change and plays next week. The Browns lose a starter.

[Bltravens]

lol Harrison's being a tad melodramatic, not a chance in hell he hangs em up.

[Moderator 2]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1287552705' post='514586']
lol Harrison's being a tad melodramatic, not a chance in hell he hangs em up.
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Ya think? I don't think the league is going to kiss his butt.

[Clutch Ravens]

[url="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81b77d1c/article/steelers-lb-harrison-mulling-retirement-after-75k-fine-for-hit"]Link[/url]

Well, according to NFL.com, James Harrison may consider retiring.

He's unhappy after being fined $75 000 for his hits on Josh Cribbs and Mohammed Massaquoi.

Harrison obviously doesn't like the hard-line the NFL is taking with illegal hits (although neither of his were actually illegal).

I can understand his frustrations, but throwing a hissy fit and saying "I'm going to retire" isn't the way to resolve the issue. It may sound silly but I'm actually on Harrison's side this time.

It may just be NFL.com trying to milk more hits, what do you think?

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Clutch Ravens' timestamp='1287573879' post='514625']
[url="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81b77d1c/article/steelers-lb-harrison-mulling-retirement-after-75k-fine-for-hit"]Link[/url]

Well, according to NFL.com, James Harrison may consider retiring.

He's unhappy after being fined $75 000 for his hits on Josh Cribbs and Mohammed Massaquoi.

Harrison obviously doesn't like the hard-line the NFL is taking with illegal hits (although neither of his were actually illegal).

I can understand his frustrations, but throwing a hissy fit and saying "I'm going to retire" isn't the way to resolve the issue. It may sound silly but I'm actually on Harrison's side this time.

It may just be NFL.com trying to milk more hits, what do you think?
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I disagree about the hit to Massaquoi. That was intentional and illegal under the rules. The Cribbs hit was legal just unnecessarily hard.

Why can you understand his frustrations? This IS one of three players who combined to dump Vince Young down to the ground ON HIS HEAD. Definitely illegal. The only reason I can see for being upset and contemplating retirement is that he WANTS to be able to deliver helmet-to-helmet hits. We all know that the referees are inconsistent in calling these penalties. But they are consistent in their inconsistency. (with the exception of Brady/Manning who always get the calls). No new rules have been added. Once upon a time there was a target zone and the head was not part of it.

I figure the Ravens will get their share of these calls, fines etc that we will disagree with as well. I think the Cribbs hit was legal. You have to learn how to tackle within the rules. Lewis delivers some pretty vicious hits that do not include any helmet-to-helmet contact. It can be done.

[theFRANCHISE]

I don't think he was being serious about retirement, I think he was just exaggerating and saying those things within the moment.

That said, even before this incident, James Harrison never seemed like he was one of those guys you'd want to hang out with. He always seemed like he was a jerk. Sure, it's a little refreshing in a sense that he's blunt and to-the-point, but he also just doesn't seem like the type of person that you could easily get along with, regardless of the jersey he's wearing. He doesn't seem to endear himself much to the fans. Granted, his only real job is to perform on the field (and he does his job well), but I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to players that are more personable.

Meaning, had this been, say, Nnamdi Asomugha to deliver these hits, I'd probably be a little more sympathetic to Harrison's logic that the game moves too fast to rein yourself in. Sure, that's not really a balanced way to look at it, but intent holds as much weight (in my mind) as the end result.

[Renediffie]

You would all be defending those actions if it where Ray Lewis. Come on. Its football, ofc he wants to make people hurt. As long as he dont wanna see them injured. We all know its a huge part of the game. If you deliver a hit that hurts big time a quarterback might miss a couple of throws or a reciever might just drop those passes next time.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1287574486' post='514628']
[b]I disagree about the hit to Massaquoi. That was intentional and illegal under the rules. The Cribbs hit was legal just unnecessarily hard.[/b]

Why can you understand his frustrations? This IS one of three players who combined to dump Vince Young down to the ground ON HIS HEAD. Definitely illegal. The only reason I can see for being upset and contemplating retirement is that he WANTS to be able to deliver helmet-to-helmet hits. We all know that the referees are inconsistent in calling these penalties. But they are consistent in their inconsistency. (with the exception of Brady/Manning who always get the calls). No new rules have been added. Once upon a time there was a target zone and the head was not part of it.

I figure the Ravens will get their share of these calls, fines etc that we will disagree with as well. I think the Cribbs hit was legal. You have to learn how to tackle within the rules. Lewis delivers some pretty vicious hits that do not include any helmet-to-helmet contact. It can be done.
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It absolutely was not. He set up with his right shoulder and his right forearm. There's a photo of it in here somewhere.


[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1287575586' post='514631']
I don't think he was being serious about retirement, I think he was just exaggerating and saying those things within the moment.

That said, even before this incident, [b]James Harrison never seemed like he was one of those guys you'd want to hang out with. He always seemed like he was a jerk. Sure, it's a little refreshing in a sense that he's blunt and to-the-point, but he also just doesn't seem like the type of person that you could easily get along with, regardless of the jersey he's wearing. He doesn't seem to endear himself much to the fans. [/b]Granted, his only real job is to perform on the field (and he does his job well), but I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to players that are more personable.

Meaning, had this been, say, Nnamdi Asomugha to deliver these hits, I'd probably be a little more sympathetic to Harrison's logic that the game moves too fast to rein yourself in. Sure, that's not really a balanced way to look at it, but intent holds as much weight (in my mind) as the end result.
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Franny, you must not have done your homework on JH. He loves the fans and he's a pu[i]ss[/i]y cat off the field.

[Vademor]

James Harrison is getting known for cheap shots. That is why he was fined more than Meriweather and Robinson, because he is a repeat offender.

[Pitts200]

I think Harrison is frustrated because according to the rulebook he didn't do anything wrong on the tackles he was making whether it seemed extreme.

Players always push the boundaries to the extent of the rules. Whether it's on the field tackling legally as hard as you can or off the field using the most up to date supplements that are allowed by NFL rule.

Its almost like a player using a supplement that isn't banned by the NFL but then gets a fine for using it because it was found after the fact to be giving an unfair advantage.

Harrison was just expressing how he learned to play football a certain style and with intensity and now the league is telling him that he may have to revamp his whole style or he is risking more fines and possibly suspension.

[CNC]

http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1287584198' post='514705']
It absolutely was not. [b]He set up with his right shoulder and his right forearm[/b]. There's a photo of it in here somewhere.
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"If a WR has made a catch, but has not had time to defend himself a defender can not launch himself into the WR with his his helmet, shoulder, or forearm in a way that strikes the WR's head or neck area. "Launching" means leaving the ground to make the hit. If the defender doesn't "launch" himself or the WR had time to defend himself then it is not a penalty."

[MsMarvel73]

Just got an ESPN mobile alert saying the same thing.

If it's true and he decides to, I wish him the best..

and, at the same time, I'll be glad he isn't in uniform anymore.

[JO_75]

I was just looking to see if someone had posted it so I could post it.

Here is more info from PFT that has quotes from James.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/10/20/james-harrison-contemplates-retirement/

[quote]"I'm going to sit down and have a serious conversation with my coach [Wednesday] and see if I can actually play by NFL rules and still be effective," Harrison told Tony Bruno of FOX Sports Radio. "If not, I may have to give up playing football. . . . I really truly hope it's something that can be done. But the way that things were being explained to me [Tuesday] and the reasoning for it, I don't feel I can continue to play and be effective and, like I say, not have to worry about injuring someone else or risking injury to myself."[/quote]

Well this would surely be interesting if he does retire after this season. I can see if he was retiring because of his age and wanting to get out so he could worry about life after football, but want to retire because he was fined and wonders how he can still be effective under the rules? Ok I can understand that too. I mean I wouldn't be surprised to see Ray quietly discussing that too with the way the game has changed because I also question if Ray can still be effective under the new pansy rules of the NFL today.

I'm sure if he retires the Steelers would have no problem replacing him and getting someone younger to fill that spot.

[PuRock]

This is just an outcry against the fine he was giving. You want to fine me, fine, forget this!

[hawkprey]

[quote]"I'm going to sit down and have a serious conversation with my coach tomorrow and see if I can actually play by NFL rules and still be effective," Harrison said. "If not, I may have to give up playing football."[/quote]

This sounds more like a shot at the NFL than him actually retiring. There's no way he seriously thinks he can't be effective without delivering hits that get him fined. IMO It's him saying (sarcastically) "Apparently the league thinks I can't play football so I might as well quit".

[thewarden86]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1287593112' post='514847']
"If a WR has made a catch, but has not had time to defend himself a defender can not launch himself into the WR with his his helmet, shoulder, or forearm in a way that strikes the WR's head or neck area. "Launching" means leaving the ground to make the hit. If the defender doesn't "launch" himself or the WR had time to defend himself then it is not a penalty."
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His feet didn't leave the ground on the hit. He fell forward after initial contact. What's he supposed to do? Catch the WR and hug him? This is another BS rule and more inconsistent enforcement of it.

[BloodRaven]

"More fallout: Steelers LB James Harrison was excused from practice today and his agent said Harrison is contemplating retirement." - [url="http://twitter.com/ADAM_SCHEFTER"]Schefter[/url]

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[Juviebest]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1287596592' post='514910']
"More fallout: Steelers LB James Harrison was excused from practice today and his agent said Harrison is contemplating retirement." - [url="http://twitter.com/ADAM_SCHEFTER"]Schefter[/url]

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Oh how I love this...

James Harrison is on steroids, I wonder when he'll be tested.

[Perfekt]

I agree with Warden that his hit was legal and they are making it harder to play defense. Jackson hit that he took was legal as well the only dirty cheap shot was Merriweather.

[lgcs27288]

[quote name='thewarden86' timestamp='1287584198' post='514705']
It absolutely was not. He set up with his right shoulder and his right forearm. There's a photo of it in here somewhere.




Franny, you must not have done your homework on JH. He loves the fans and he's a pu[i]ss[/i]y cat off the field.
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Whether or not he is good or not on or off the field wouldnt matter to me. I dont see that, neither does the majority of the nation. What we do see though is him acting like a big baby who says he wants to put people to sleep.

This is the same guy that was too good to go to the white house after a SB victory.

I know the media can skew some things, but of all the things I have seen on him, he just seems like an all-round bad guy.

Edit: Nice filter passing

[Vademor]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1287596592' post='514910']
"More fallout: Steelers LB James Harrison was excused from practice today and his agent said Harrison is contemplating retirement." - [url="http://twitter.com/ADAM_SCHEFTER"]Schefter[/url]

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I hope he does retire. I don't want him cheapshotting any of the Raven's players.

[Vademor]

He is just being a crybaby about his fine...

[thewarden86]

[quote name='Juviebest' timestamp='1287596729' post='514912']
Oh how I love this...

James Harrison is on steroids, I wonder when he'll be tested.
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Moronic post of the day.

[thewarden86]

[quote name='lgcs27288' timestamp='1287597894' post='514926']
Whether or not he is good or not on or off the field wouldnt matter to me. I dont see that, [b]neither does the majority of the nation.[/b] What we do see though is him acting like a big baby who says he wants to put people to sleep.

This is the same guy that was too good to go to the white house after a SB victory.

I know the media can skew some things, but of all the things I have seen on him, he just seems like an all-round bad guy.

Edit: Nice filter passing
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Prove it!

Fact: 97.34% of stats are made up on the spot.

What do you care if he went to the White House? He doesn't like the President and that is HIS business, not yours or anyone elses.

[BloodRaven]

Harrison isn't a roider, the Steelers stopped that stuff after the 70's.

[AwakenTheDemon]

Whether it's a shot at the NFL or not, Harrison is coming off as a crybaby with his comments since the fine. There was no suspension, and the fine is chump change to him. I can understand him being upset with not being able to play the way he likes, but let's face it, there's over a hundred starting linebackers in the league, and they aren't all having the same "problem" as Harrison is. You can't tell me that they're all ineffective, because they're playing "within the rules".

Take the pacifier out of your mouth, put down your blankie, and play ball, Harrison. I do not care if you're taking a snide, passive-aggressive shot at the NFL or not. You're one of the most feared linebackers in the league, hard hits or not, act like it.