Cameron

[XxSizzleXx]

Joe's struggles against the cover 2 are odd considering the best balls he throws are to the sidelines, in his case he should be able to torch the cover 2. This is what I don't get.

[Perfekt]

its not that he cant beat the cover 2 the play calling isnt going to beat the cover 2.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1287516352' post='513984']
Joe's struggles against the cover 2 are odd considering the best balls he throws are to the sidelines, in his case he should be able to torch the cover 2. This is what I don't get.
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You don't usually attack the sidelines against the Cover-2. You want to hit the deep middle between the LBs and the safeties and/or the seams between the safeties.

[ravenanchors]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1287512631' post='513923']
Are we playing down to them, or are there other issues rearing their ugly (blonde haired, bespeckled) head?
[/quote]

Sorry thats what I meant to say. O.C. is play calling down to other teams.

[Vademor]

Cam definetly shouldn't be fired for one bad game.

[Thepurplehaze]

[quote name='Shawn`' timestamp='1287508945' post='513857']
This thread is another example of the Catch 22 with fans, which is why it's a little frustrating.

Fans want everything from everyone in the offense, and when that doesn't happen (often) then they get mad.

When Joe throws the ball more than Rice carries it's: Cam should've run rice more! Fire him!
When Rice runs for almost 30 attempts it's: Cam isn't "unleashing" Flacco to his true power, Fire him!

I swear sometimes ignorance is bliss when it comes to threads like these.
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Absolutely.
Could not agree more. While I'm not particularly impressed with our offense thus far, we've played well enough to put us at 4-2 against a TOUGH schedule. Now is no time to throw a top notch team off-sync with a rash decision like firing Cam Cameron.

C'mon people! I know you're upset about the Pats, but lets have a little faith in our guys. Time to beat the Bills!

[PuRock]

We got a tied vote 45 yes, 45 no. Seriously how are people still voting yes.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1287516352' post='513984']
Joe's struggles against the cover 2 are odd considering the best balls he throws are to the sidelines, in his case he should be able to torch the cover 2. This is what I don't get.
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Cover two corners play off the receivers so they can keep an eye in the backfield. That's bad news for any [b]QB's that like to stare down their targets[/b].

[POE]

[quote name='Shawn`' timestamp='1287508945' post='513857']
This thread is another example of the Catch 22 with fans, which is why it's a little frustrating.

Fans want everything from everyone in the offense, and when that doesn't happen (often) then they get mad.

When Joe throws the ball more than Rice carries it's: Cam should've run rice more! Fire him!
When Rice runs for almost 30 attempts it's: Cam isn't "unleashing" Flacco to his true power, Fire him!

I swear sometimes ignorance is bliss when it comes to threads like these.
[/quote]
I think you hit it right on the money with your post, but at the same time you have to wonder why the play calling never really adjusted. It almost looked as if we were trying to run the same plays over and over and the WR screen we threw in late in the game on a 3rd and 9 or something was horendous. I love the guy and know he is better than what we seen on Sunday and all the fire him talk is just ridiculous, but you have to feel that if we have many more of these type games this season that he might be on the hot seat. I feel Cam is one of the better O-Coordinators in the league and he proved it while he was a coach in San Diego and now with the success we have seen on the offensive side of the ball here. We were always the defensive minded team and now we have weapons and a coach that forces the ball down the field to help our D and make us more balanced. Let's beat the snot out of Buffalo, come back after the bye and whoop up on Miami and keep our sites drawn on Dallas.

[POE]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1287522531' post='514121']
Cover two corners play off the receivers so they can keep an eye in the backfield. That's bad news for any [b]QB's that like to stare down their targets[/b].
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I here what you are saying but if that's the case then Joe should recognize this and communicate with his coaches so that the playcalling reflects what the D is giving them and use his audibles. He has a strong arm and can get rid of the ball quickly, so why not quick slants or quick outs? Something just didn't click late in Sundays game and everyone has a little bit to improve on to fix it.

[flynismo]

I dont think anyone said fire Cam now, did they? If so then I'll change my vote to NO.But if we're talking about postseason, maaaannn, I'll go help him pack up and give him a ride home.

[POE]

The way I read it is now, not later. I don't think anything crazy like that should happen now or later unless we sputter off late in a few more games this year the same way we did against the Pats.

[Jamal]

Cam has been terrible, but he might improve his play-calling after the bye week. It did wonders for Mattison last year.

[Purple Punishment]

i made it 46 to 45 for no! lol

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='POE' timestamp='1287522749' post='514128']
I here what you are saying but if that's the case then Joe should recognize this and communicate with his coaches so that the playcalling reflects what the D is giving them and use his audibles. He has a strong arm and can get rid of the ball quickly, so why not quick slants or quick outs? Something just didn't click late in Sundays game and everyone has a little bit to improve on to fix it.
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The system we run is designed for a mid and deep range passing attack, it wasn't in effect last year because we didn't have the ideal WR corps so our guys worked underneath with those short routes.

It also doesn't help that the ground game isn't eating yards or the clock, Joe is being forced to make big passes which are predictable and easy to defend, especially if you're playing zone watching him stare down Todd Heap for 3 seconds.

[Eastern Shore Smaven Raven]

I don't think Cam needs to be fired, but I do think he needs to allow Flacco to be aggressive and go down the field or use our three-headed running attack when the defense dictates it. Calling audibles and allowing Flacco to call audibles when he sees something is also something that needs to change. If he is our "Franchise Quarter" in his 3rd season as the starter, he needs to ability to lead the offense. Look at Peyton Manning and how he operates in the huddle. He is given a running play and a passing play, and when he gets to the line and he scans the defense he calls the play based on what he sees. Flacco has enough knowledge of the offense were he can do the same thing. Cam needs to give Flacco the freedom that every other top-level QB has. We have the players to do great things this year. Let these players play to their talent levels and bring Baltimore their 2nd World Championship.

[DrMoonTooth]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1287468856' post='513474']
The Bills were able to go into Foxboro and put up 31 points. We had better not overlook them.
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Who said we should overlook them? I'm was simply stating that the Ravens will likely take out their frustrations on the measly Bills.

[steeldude]

[quote name='DrMoonTooth' timestamp='1287534997' post='514364']
Who said we should overlook them? I'm was simply stating that the Ravens will likely take out their frustrations on the measly Bills.
[/quote]

Wasn't it the measly Buffalo Bills who put up 30 against the Patriots. I can't believe how pompous Ravens fans are. You guys better get grounded and play NFL football and quit talking like you own the division!

[ZIBBY28]

against the Patriots we passed the ball more than we ran it, and still only mustered 2.9 yards per carry... Cam isn't the one out there making blocks... If the players would have executed better, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[DrMoonTooth]

[quote name='steeldude' timestamp='1287535168' post='514366']
Wasn't it the measly Buffalo Bills who put up 30 against the Patriots. I can't believe how pompous Ravens fans are. You guys better get grounded and play NFL football and quit talking like you own the division!
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Ravens fans...pompous? No wonder you're wasting time as a Steelers fan on THIS site instead of your own. Sorry if I made a comment about the worst team take the field the last ten years.

...I think we played NFL Football 2 weeks ago, or have you already forgotten about Flacco to TJ? Get real.

[Jamal]

[quote name='ZIBBY28' timestamp='1287535231' post='514368']
against the Patriots we passed the ball more than we ran it, and still only mustered 2.9 yards per carry... Cam isn't the one out there making blocks... If the players would have executed better, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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Not really. Cam's been criticized since week 2. How Boldin is having such a great year is beyond me. The whole offense is set up to fail.

We are 4-2, but we wont beat any team with a good coach, if Cam doesn't change it up a bit.

[PuRock]

[quote name='ZIBBY28' timestamp='1287535231' post='514368']
against the Patriots we passed the ball more than we ran it, and still only mustered 2.9 yards per carry... Cam isn't the one out there making blocks... If the players would have executed better, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
[/quote]

This is true. But if we are carrying a level of predictability with formations and personnel it makes the defenses job a lot easier in stopping the run. So its a little bit of both. Cam has to make sure he's unpredictable in his play calling then the players have to execute. If either one of these goes awry, then we won't be able to run.

[DrMoonTooth]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1287535994' post='514379']
This is true. But if we are carrying a level of predictability with formations and personnel it makes the defenses job a lot easier in stopping the run. So its a little bit of both. Cam has to make sure he's unpredictable in his play calling then the players have to execute. If either one of these goes awry, then we won't be able to run.
[/quote]
I guess the ultimatum for me is that Cam needs to open up the playbook and be MUCH more unpredictable. I figured after our offseason we would be seeing 4/5 wide sets, more 2 (and even 3) TE sets, etc. It's just frustrating to lose games that I thought we could win this season with our "new-look" offense.

[Jamal]

[quote name='DrMoonTooth' timestamp='1287536289' post='514386']
I guess the ultimatum for me is that Cam needs to open up the playbook and be MUCH more unpredictable. I figured after our offseason we would be seeing 4/5 wide sets, more 2 (and even 3) TE sets, etc. It's just frustrating to lose games that I thought we could win this season with our "new-look" offense.
[/quote]
Other than the players themselves, theres been nothing "new-look" about it unfortunately.

[DrMoonTooth]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1287536422' post='514390']
Other than the players themselves, theres been nothing "new-look" about it unfortunately.
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Exactly, which is why I put it within quotes. Very unfortunate indeed. The BYE week couldn't come at a better time.

[steeldude]

[quote name='DrMoonTooth' timestamp='1287535869' post='514375']
Ravens fans...pompous? No wonder you're wasting time as a Steelers fan on THIS site instead of your own. Sorry if I made a comment about the worst team take the field the last ten years.

...I think we played NFL Football 2 weeks ago, or have you already forgotten about Flacco to TJ? Get real.
[/quote]
It still took you guys to make a last second TD pass against us without Roethlisberger. Do you really think that game would have worked out the way it did if he was on the field that day.

[DrMoonTooth]

[quote name='steeldude' timestamp='1287537717' post='514417']
It still took you guys to make a last second TD pass against us without Roethlisberger. Do you really think that game would have worked out the way it did if he was on the field that day.
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A win is a win is a win. It's not our fault that your QB can't control himself . All in good fun.

[Ravenite]

[quote name='steeldude' timestamp='1287537717' post='514417']
It still took you guys to make a last second TD pass against us without Roethlisberger. Do you really think that game would have worked out the way it did if he was on the field that day.
[/quote]

Well what if Bulger was our QB and threw the game winning TD? WHO KNOWS? I don't know...

Look, Steelers and Ravens games have always been close. So, anyone thinking that it was going to be a blow out should go right out the door. Your defense is one of the best and your coaches handled the offense great without Ben. I give you that. However, coming into the year, a lot of folks thought our secondary would suck if we didn't have Reed in the back or our corners couldn't stick with anyone. We fared well without him.

No matter who is on the other side of the ball, you gotta respect them. Thought I overlooked Charlie Batch after the game he had against the Bucs? You think I'm overlooking Ryan Fitzpatrick this coming game? He's a starter for a reason (I mean it's the Bills lol) but still. We don't know how Ben would've been. It's gone and over with. Be happy for the simple fact that both teams played a hell of a game and a lot of Ravens fans like myself would say that it could have went either way just like any ordinary Steelers/Ravens game.

It's almost as if you suspected us to manhandle yall with the talent we have even when yall didn't have Ben playing.

[Ed_Reed20]

Well, after re-watching the game on NFL Replay, I'm still pretty angry.

On the final series of regulation, Joe was in the shotgun with Rice beside him and there were four WRs(one being Heap) split out. Either no one was open or Joe didn't go through his progressions fast enough but the first two plays out of that formation resulted in check-downs. On 3rd down, Joe was pressured and checked down to Rice again who dropped the ball.

In the first possession of OT, Cam called two straight runs and Rice picked up 5 yards. And then on 3rd down, he went to the 4-wide shotgun formation again. This time, Joe rolled to his left(personally, I don't think he needed to) and had a window to throw to Q. From a different angle, he seemed to be looking around as he was scrambling and when he did see Q, didn't want to pull the trigger and threw the ball away.

NFL Replay didn't show the next Ravens possession but on the their final possession, Cam outdid himself in terms of conservatism. He started off with a screen to Mason with no blockers that went nowhere. Then, he called another run to Rice which was stuffed , after which McClain drew the penalty. On 3rd and 19, Joe checked down again(why I don't know) and the drive was over.

Obviously execution played a part in the team's failure on these plays but why in the world Cam didn't revisit any of the plays that worked earlier in the game, run a legitimate screen to Rice or call one designed deep ball is again, beyond me.

[MagicianCamille]

I don't want him fired necessarily but I would like to see someone else take over the play-calling.