Cameron

[flaccopoe]

After the dreadful play-calling in our loss against NE, doyou think that Cam should be fired? He' consistently been messing up calls this season. Flacco probably could have scored a game-winning TD today if he hadn't been been commanded to play conservatively by Cam in the 4th quarter (even though BAL had a 10-point lead!!)

[Alexir]

Would you want him fired now or after the season? We are still 4-2 and firing an offensive coordinator could hurt us. I wouldn't mind seeing Zorn call the plays though, I rather stay in house if we were to release Cam.

[Jamal]

Like I said in the last thread, until he realizes we have replaced D-Will and Clayton with Boldin and Housh, there really is no chance for our offense to be elite.

As of right now, there is no better option, so we'd have to stick with him for the season. Now after the year, maybe Norv will get fired. I'd be ecstatic to see him come here as an OC.

[bmorefan444]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1287370338' post='511733']
Would you want him fired now or after the season? We are still 4-2 and firing an offensive coordinator could hurt us. I wouldn't mind seeing Zorn call the plays though, I rather stay in house if we were to release Cam.
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ZORN?! NO. I don't know if you saw any Redskins games last year but their play calling was outrageously bad.

[SnOoPy]

He better step it up this year..play smart CAM! c'mon man!

[True]

No he shouldn't be fired. What needs to be done is for Joe to start getting involved in the play calling. Don't let Cam decide everything for you. Audible if you don't like something you see on the defense or exploit weaknesses against them. Look at how good Flacco is in the no huddle when he's the one running the show. It lead to a TD against the Steelers to win the game.

[Alexir]

[quote name='bmorefan444' timestamp='1287370546' post='511741']
ZORN?! NO. I don't know if you saw any Redskins games last year but their play calling was outrageously bad.
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I disagree. Im not gonna go into why the Redskins didn't succeed with Zorn ...ok I will actually, No offfensive line or a decent QB and too many hats for Jim (Head Coach, QB coach, Offensive coordinator).

His offense was really good halfway through the 2008 season though. Like I said, I rather it be Zorn than hire someone and have Joe learn a new offense.

[edelicious]

Maybe Cam should be fired after the season. Zorn is just as bad, I know he is the QB coach but sometimes Flacco looks confused.

[AsianRice]

Although I want to jump on the bandwagon of getting new OC, I don't want Ozzie pulling the trigger in the middle of season. I'll say next year though.

PS: Man, I hope Cam steps up and makes some good decisions because we need it if we want to get deep in the playoff.

[purple.n.black]

I think he could improve his intelligence and not be so stubborn. But the way things are going, I say get him out of here after this year.

[Sizzle]

I doubt he'll be fired. harbaugh is on his[i] <butt> [/i]

[Shawn`]

I voted no because we lost by 3 points to a good team.

I say that because some of you voted yes based on losing to a good team by 3 points, as silly as that sounds, it's true. This topic wouldn't be here if we didn't lose.

Fans can never be pleased, it's always "Fire him" and "bench him" after every loss. It's an impatient and childish thing to do. I'm not saying we should not criticize the team, but at least wait until the whole season is over to evaluate someone's performance instead of arrogantly shoving this idea in the middle of the season, as if firing him tomorrow and changing the whole playbook would really be the best thing to do for the team.

/rant

[rlh445]

This is stupid and I'm not voting. No, he shouldn't be fired. He's a darn good OC. Even if he was horrid as some believe, we're not going to fire him because then we'd have to replace him. Maybe a better poll would be, 'When we fire Cam, will we fire Rosburg and Harbaugh as well?'. Stop knee-jerking, please.

[rlh445]

[quote name='True' timestamp='1287370623' post='511746']
No he shouldn't be fired. What needs to be done is for Joe to start getting involved in the play calling. Don't let Cam decide everything for you. Audible if you don't like something you see on the defense or exploit weaknesses against them. Look at how good Flacco is in the no huddle when he's the one running the show. It lead to a TD against the Steelers to win the game.
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I'm going to just start posting this everywhere. Let Joe make some decisions, for instance, the QB sneak everyone is talking about. Let Joe say, 'Nah, this isn't going to work,' and take it from there. Nobody's perfect, Cam called it up because he expected it to work. But when they saw the scheme the Patriots drew up, they should have shied away. Whether or not Joe has the right to say, 'Let's do something else,' is up for debate and I honestly don't know if he has veto power. But if we're gonna go anywhere, he needs to.

[RedFire]

didn't we fire the OC Jim Fassel in 2006 after going 4-2?...and went onto 13-3? oct 17,2006 he got the boot. irony?

anyways fassel had a bad season in 04 and 05. cam had our offense clicking and top 10 for a good minute. Joe needs to take control of the playbook though!...he should know he ain't gonna get benched at this point of his career. I think cam is waiting for him to rebel to see if he can be independent and lead. I think cam calls bad plays to test flacco at times.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='Shawn`' timestamp='1287374538' post='511837']
I voted no because we lost by 3 points to a good team.

I say that because some of you voted yes based on losing to a good team by 3 points, as silly as that sounds, it's true. This topic wouldn't be here if we didn't lose.

Fans can never be pleased, it's always "Fire him" and "bench him" after every loss. It's an impatient and childish thing to do. I'm not saying we should not criticize the team, but at least wait until the whole season is over to evaluate someone's performance instead of arrogantly shoving this idea in the middle of the season, as if firing him tomorrow and changing the whole playbook would really be the best thing to do for the team.

/rant
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I voted no too, but Cam seems to be swarmed with all the available options. He said we need to put the best 11 man on the field so we can win, but he went to the other direction today. Joe had 3 possesions to win the game and we screwed it up because Cam tried to be unpredictable by putting 2WR with Rice..Brilliant! :sarcasm...

The man needs to get his head straight like using all the weapons so Joe can grow with them and at the same time the running game will be benefit from it.

[BloodRaven]

I don't think people realise what happens to teams who release coaches/co-ordinators midseason.

[ZIBBY28]

absolutely not, but that's just my opinion... I mean, Flacco was 27-35 for 285 with 2 TDs and no INTs and Rice carried 28 times (34 team carries)... Flacco completed 14 passes to receivers and 3 more to Heap for a 13.9 yard average... we took shots down field, we tried to pound it down their throat, won the time of possession battle by 8 minutes, had 21 first downs and almost 400 yards of offense against a team playing at home coming off their bye... what more can you ask? costly penalties and defensive let downs cost us this game.. its hard to hold the pats under 20 points, but I wouldn't blame the offense, namely, Cam for losing this game.

It seems that when the offense plays well, we praise Cam and talk about having the best OC in the league, but after a tough loss the opposite happens. Who are we to speculate that "Flacco was commanded to play conservatively" as you put it?... When things weren't open down field, Flacco checked down. That's what we want. We ran the ball with a ten point lead in the 4th quarter. That's what we want... the players simply didn't execute on the ground as much as we would like to see. IMO, playing conservatively with a lead in the 4th quarter to try and keep the clock moving against one of the best offenses in the league is a GOOD thing, not something that the OC should be fired for. This offense is better than it's ever been and a lot of that credit can be put on Cam.

sorry, rant... over.

[RedFire]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1287375317' post='511854']
I don't think people realise what happens to teams who release coaches/co-ordinators.
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we did it in 06'

[Malkavian Raven]

[font="Century Gothic"]We played a tremendous game against an elite team in their backyard and we lost in OT to a field goal... I fail to see your reasoning in firing Cam.[/font]

[Radinho84]

i didn´t read the posts in here but i have to say one thing: we are 4-2 with wins on the road at jets and at the stealers. we had one of the hardest shedule to start a season and stand there with 4-2 and some people are calling for heads. i don´t get it. makes me really really sad. CHILD PLEASE!!!!!!!

[flynismo]

[quote name='True' timestamp='1287370623' post='511746']<br />No he shouldn't be fired. What needs to be done is for Joe to start getting involved in the play calling. Don't let Cam decide everything for you. Audible if you don't like something you see on the defense or exploit weaknesses against them. Look at how good Flacco is in the no huddle when he's the one running the show. It lead to a TD against the Steelers to win the game.<br />[/quote]


Haven't you heard? Audibles are over-rated! Lmao

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='RedFire' timestamp='1287375467' post='511856']
we did it in 06'
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I meant midseason.

[Raven43hike]

[quote name='True' timestamp='1287370623' post='511746']
No he shouldn't be fired. What needs to be done is for Joe to start getting involved in the play calling. Don't let Cam decide everything for you. Audible if you don't like something you see on the defense or exploit weaknesses against them. Look at how good Flacco is in the no huddle when he's the one running the show. It lead to a TD against the Steelers to win the game.
[/quote]
I said something to this affect on another post, Joe needs to audible when they switch the defense,is it because they wont let him? if so why do they not have confidence in him ?

[PuRock]

If he gets fired then what? It was more easy in 2006 when Billick took over play calling duties because he had a ton of experience in making offensive gameplans. He probably had more say in the gameplans already in 2006 than Harbs does now.

Then you can't bring in another guy with a different system. Too many signals and terminology changes to the affect that you just can't do it.

The only option is to change the actual play calling duties. If Cam is the one calling plays, change that to Harbs. If Harbs is calling the play, change it to Cam. But let Cam do the majority of work on the gameplan.

[die_hard_raven]

I'm not please with his calls in short yardage situations. In the Steelers, Broncos, and the (Jets I think) when on the goal line the most creative play he could call was to run the ball right into traffic and turn the ball over on downs. That takes points off of the board. When have so many tools but how often do we spread the field with 4 receivers unless it's on third down and teams know we have to pass?

I don't know how much freedom Joe has to call him own plays but Cam's decision making has been poor this year. Even during the games we won I haven't been happy with some calls. Name one team in the league backed up on their own 15-20 in OT and waste a down by running the ball up the middle with 8 in the box? Is that not why we got Boldin and Housh to spread the field and make it easier to make plays? Last time I checked Brady did that to us and we lost. We beat ourself and it hurts that obvious calls are not made. Because the HC doesn't have a bug offensive background he relies on Cam for his expertise and I support Cam and will ride with him this year...BUT I feel we have talent to be more creative with our calls. NE's offensive talent can't match ours yet the made adjustments and capitalized on their opportunities and we did not. Very disappointing.

[johnny86]

You'd think after having LT in San Diego(with less overall talent on the offense) he'd be able to figure out how to make Double-R more effective, but i just haven't seen enough from the offense to make me think Cam's the right guy for this offense. Granted Ray was in the top 3 as far as running backs last year....cam seems to be too indecisive as to what he wants this offense to do, its really frustrating to watch as a ravens fan because there's so much potential here.

[Rinbee]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1287370338' post='511733']
Would you want him fired now or after the season? We are still 4-2 and firing an offensive coordinator could hurt us. I wouldn't mind seeing Zorn call the plays though, I rather stay in house if we were to release Cam.
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Remember that playcalling was taken away from Zorn in DC before he was fired outright and I don't now if anyone else on staff could handle it. The bigger problem in my opinion is Harbs. He talks the talk and praises Cam up and down in public, but I don't get the feeling that he is in full control of tghe team and staff. If he cannot see how cam is holding the team back then he is either incompetent or unwilling to take Cam on. Rather than firing Cam now how about "getting in his face" the way you would a player that fails to execute. Maybe this goes on behind the scenes but I get the impression Cam has free reign on the offense no matter what.

[Rinbee]

[quote name='Shawn`' timestamp='1287374538' post='511837']
I voted no because we lost by 3 points to a good team.

I say that because some of you voted yes based on losing to a good team by 3 points, as silly as that sounds, it's true. This topic wouldn't be here if we didn't lose.

Fans can never be pleased, it's always "Fire him" and "bench him" after every loss. It's an impatient and childish thing to do. I'm not saying we should not criticize the team, but at least wait until the whole season is over to evaluate someone's performance instead of arrogantly shoving this idea in the middle of the season, as if firing him tomorrow and changing the whole playbook would really be the best thing to do for the team.

/rant
[/quote]

I agree, fans are fickle (myself included) at times. But there is a consistent pattern with Cam and it seems to show more in tough games. Yes we are 4-2 during a difficult stretch, which some see as an accomplishment, but if you want to wind a SB you might have to win 4 straight on the road!

BTW, in my opinion we lost by 13 since we were up by 10 and facing one of the lowest ranked defenses in the league.

[Twoo]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1287406423' post='512074']
I meant midseason.
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We were 4-2 when we fired our OC in 06, like we are now- and we ended the season 13-3.

Check your facts before you post.