Who Takes The L

[JoeCool#5]

Just curious to hear your opinions.

[Ed_Reed20]

It was a team loss.

[RavensAllTheWay]

We lost as a team. There is no blame game. If I could vote for all of those, I would but I can't.

[SaVaGe]

Cam.

Joe made great decisions as the WR's were not getting free.

[K-Dog]

not voting.

This is just silly.

[jaege]

I went with the defense dropping the ball, but the play calling was a bit questionable.

[bauer77]

it was a team loss? the whole TEAM takes the L.

[bmorefan444]

The whole team wasn't really with it in the 4th quarter.

[Shawn`]

It's really hard to say who lost specifically, I feel like we got beat as a team and not because a single performance. Joe did good, but in my opinion, he should have been more aggressive in the 4th and OT, when I saw him checking it down to Ray on 3rd and long it reminded me a lot of last year when the offense wasn't doing good.

Defense did well too, that being said, yeah, they could've held up one more touchdown but they kept their posture for the most part and actually did keep the Pats out of the endzone and to a FG in some cases.

Once again, I think it was a team loss at a hostile environment against a fresh team. I'm not upset, rather more optimistic to cream the Bills next week

[True]

We all take the loss

[TSizzle00]

Football is a TEAM game. Everyone takes heat for the loss.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1287352933' post='511015']
We lost as a team. There is no blame game. If I could vote for all of those, I would but I can't.
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edited...

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ibleedpurpleandblack' timestamp='1287353624' post='511063']
There was a selection for ALL OF THE ABOVE...that means errr, ALL OF THE ABOVE...
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It wasn't there when the thread was first posted.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

While i voted for All of the Above; I really wanted to vote for Cam's play calling!!! Why we didn't go hurry up with 5 wide and spread their defense and use the weapons we have rather than to continue to run Rice who had no longer than a 6 yd run, especially in OT!!!!!!

My honest opinion is they got out coached and out played in the second half!! NE made the necessary adjustments after halftime and the Ravens did not. THAT IS COACHING MY FRIENDS!!!!

[MagicianCamille]

Cam's play-calling.

[ibleedpurpleandblack]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1287353721' post='511070']
It wasn't there when the thread was first posted.
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edited bro...

[Vademor]

I think both the offense and defense had there chances to put this game away and they just came up short....

[purple.n.black]

Our secondary just looked bad and easy to exploit in the second half. I would give it to them specifically. If that hit did not occur on Heap he could have been a factor, especially when we needed him in the end zone

[bauer77]

[quote name='bmorefan444' timestamp='1287353107' post='511026']
The whole team wasn't really with it in the 4th quarter.
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uhhh from what i saw, the offense and defense didnt do good in the 4th quarter, along with the play calling.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='purple.n.black' timestamp='1287354038' post='511088']
[b]Our secondary just looked bad and easy to exploit in the second half.[/b] I would give it to them specifically. If that hit did not occur on Heap he could have been a factor, especially when we needed him in the end zone
[/quote]

They ran too much zone in the second half in my opinion. You'd think Mattison wouldn't run as much as zone considering how inconsistent the pass rush is.

[purple.n.black]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1287354159' post='511094']
They ran too much zone in the second half in my opinion. You'd think Mattison wouldn't run as much as zone considering how inconsistent the pass rush is.
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Exactly. And I think you nailed it at the end there. The pass rush. We had inconsistent and mostly non-existent pass rush. That put a LOT of pressure on our guys in coverage. Too much obviously

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='purple.n.black' timestamp='1287354306' post='511101']
Exactly. And I think you nailed it at the end there. The pass rush. We had inconsistent and mostly non-existent pass rush. That put a LOT of pressure on our guys in coverage. Too much obviously
[/quote]

Yep. Suggs and Ngata made great individual plays to get sacks but so many times I saw the blitz either picked up perfectly by the Pats or the four down lineman get stoned trying to rush the passer.

[JohnJohnson]

We established the run, and then we continued to establish it with 2 WR sets for the fourth quarter and over time (almost an entire half). Cam seems not to react to certain situations in the way almost anyone would expect. For example, history should tell you that a 10 point lead with a quarter to go is not safe against Brady and the Patriots. Our defense was on the field way too often, and we refused to take any risks with the ball, like we were holding on for the tie.

I predicted the score of the Broncos game, 31-17. My prediction for this game was 27-24 Ravens, when it became 20-17 I actually thought it might happen. Honestly, it might have been better if the Patriots scored a TD instead of a FG on that last drive. At least then it would have been 24-20 and we would have had to spread it out and use four downs. I'm starting to empathize with Houshmandzadeh a bit, I can see why he would say something.

[purple.n.black]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1287354429' post='511110']
We established the run, and then we continued to establish it with 2 WR sets for the fourth quarter and over time (almost an entire half). Cam seems not to react to certain situations in the way almost anyone would expect. For example, history should tell you that a 10 point lead with a quarter to go is not safe against Brady and the Patriots. Our defense was on the field way too often, and we refused to take any risks with the ball, like we were holding on for the tie.

I predicted the score of the Broncos game, 31-17. My prediction for this game was 27-24 Ravens, when it became 20-17 I actually thought it might happen. Honestly, it might have been better if the Patriots scored a TD instead of a FG on that last drive. At least then it would have been 24-20 and we would have had to spread it out and use four downs. I'm starting to empathize with Houshmandzadeh a bit, I can see why he would say something.
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Yup, in hindsight coming from behind at the end could have been beneficial. Why they insisted on using two WR and not utilizing Housh is beyond me. Does Cam really expect anyone to get open when they have a limited number of receivers to guard in an obvious passing situation?

[Moderator 2]

You win as a team and lose as a team.

[Ravenslifer]

It was a combination of things true. The defense let up when we had the lead. When the pass was working in the first half, we got away from it and tried to run out the clock in the second half instead of scoring to seal the win. But, at the end of the day, Cam Cameron got too conservative when we needed to be aggressive. The same thing happened with Denver. It seems like when we ask Joe and the passing offense to go out there, score points and WIN THE GAME they execute. But when we ask them not to lose the game and be too conservative, they can't get anything done.

[purple.n.black]

[quote name='Moderator 2' timestamp='1287355326' post='511150']
You win as a team and lose as a team.
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No doubt about that. I wonder if we will ever see consistent play from our team. It didn't even happen last year. Blocking is getting better and Reed will be back soon. So I would think soon it will happen. Only thing we need to add to that is pass rush

[purple.n.black]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1287356532' post='511212']
It was a combination of things true. The defense let up when we had the lead. When the pass was working in the first half, we got away from it and tried to run out the clock in the second half instead of scoring to seal the win. But, at the end of the day, Cam Cameron got too conservative when we needed to be aggressive. The same thing happened with Denver. It seems like when we ask Joe and the passing offense to go out there, score points and WIN THE GAME they execute. But when we ask them not to lose the game and be too conservative, they can't get anything done.
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That's what I've been saying each week. Joe is a competitor, he wants to win. You go out there and tell him not to lose, he's going to throw dump offs and worry about not turning it over.

[Bullet Six]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1287352925' post='511014']
It was a team loss.
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Surely you understand that some players and coaches have much more of an impact on getting a win or loss than other players and coaches right? It certainly can be Cams, Joe's or Mattisons fualt.

Me personally? I would say mostly Cam.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Bullet Six' timestamp='1287356842' post='511230']
Surely you understand that some players and coaches have much more of an impact on getting a win or loss than other players and coaches right? It certainly can be Cams, Joe's or Mattisons fualt.

Me personally? I would say mostly Cam.
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To me, say it was [insert name]'s fault the team didn't win is asinine. Obviously, certain individuals can have a bigger impact on the outcome of a game but looking at today's game, so many mistakes decisions, mistakes and a lack of execution contributed to the loss.