Why Does Cam Call The Dumbest Plays On 3rd & Short?

[Jamal]

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1287369023' post='511692']
Wait a minute... Norv calls the offensive plays, doesn't he?

If that's the case, then he's the guy who, after Philip Rivers passed for over 400 yards against the Ravens, chose to run the ball on 4th and 2.
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Everyone makes a boneheaded mistake once in a while.

But then you have Cam. He seems to make one every series.

[RoflDogs]

[quote name='D_UP' timestamp='1287370157' post='511725']
Norv had aikman, Irvin, and smith dominating the league in the 90's, there's no reason why he couldn't do the same with flacco, rice, and boldin. Your judging the man on one play call. Go check chargers offensive numbers they are always one of the most high powered offenses in the league. You equate one playcall to him not being a good oc, the man's offensive resume is second to none.
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Even Alex Smith did well under Norv Turner

[Jamal]

[quote name='RoflDogs' timestamp='1287371052' post='511757']
Even Alex Smith did well under Norv Turner
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Could you imagine what he would do with Flacco?

[Marcus]

Maybe we should let that 15 year old kid call our plays.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Marcus' timestamp='1287372560' post='511793']
Maybe we should let that 15 year old kid call our plays.
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Are you talking about that kid with the brain tumor who called plays during the last game of the season and first of the postseason last year? I thought he was a bit younger, but maybe we're thinking of different people.

[Marcus]

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1287372680' post='511798']
Are you talking about that kid with the brain tumor who called plays during the last game of the season and first of the postseason last year? I thought he was a bit younger, but maybe we're thinking of different people.
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Nope that's him. They said he just turned 15.

[Moderator 2]

Its Jamie Costello's kid he is on ABC2

[reediddy]

The playcalling problems exist, but man it's going to be good to have a revival game against the Bills, get our problems fixed.

[JohnnyBoy8102]

I loved on the failed qb sneak how Cam motioned McClain and left no one in the backfield. Made it pretty obvious that the Joe was going for the sneak......lol

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='JohnnyBoy8102' timestamp='1287378189' post='511888']
I loved on the failed qb sneak how Cam motioned McClain and left no one in the backfield. Made it pretty obvious that the Joe was going for the sneak......lol
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Scary...lol.

[wayne]

I'm more frustrated with Mattison ( should be more frustrated with Cam b/c the Ravens held the Pats well under their average ). Why abandon the blitz when it kept Brady & Co out their rythm? With the threat of a blitz , there are alot of plays the Pats did on us with success that they wouldn't have even tried. You can not, I repeat, can not abandon the blitz on a QB like Brady, if he knows only 4 people are rushing he will be more at ease , including the O- Coordinator. I can accept this loss better than any, pretty sure we learned a hell of alot from this game. BTW, what happen to our offence?

[Trilogique]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1287387598' post='511940']
BTW, what happen to our offence?
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bad play calling. that's it. Cam kept running the ball on downs we didn't need to and kept throwing checkdowns to Rice despite our ability to get easy ~10 yd plays all game. they handled Rice well all game, yet Cam kept going to him.

I don't understand that, especially with our killer WRs

[wayne]

[quote name='RoflDogs' timestamp='1287350955' post='510877']
Belicheck outcoached Cam Cameron. Period. When they were rushing only 3 for the last 30 offensive plays. Cameron should have ran the draw from the shotgun, and there would've been a bunch of room for Rice
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Agree 100%, its like 8 people in coverage , give Flacco some help Cam with your play calling , draw, draw, draw! I'm not under panic mode or anything but I hope Cam and Mattison neva forget this game, let this game be like a sacrifice for the greater good of the teams overall success . We probably had one of the tuffest first quarter of the season than I can remember any team having and to be 4-2 is great.

[neoi78]

[quote name='VA_Fan' timestamp='1287349632' post='510791']
The not going for it on 4th and 1 lost us this game. We were out couached today.

Enough said.
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Go for it? Seriously? Just hand Brady 50yards, and say, "hey, we WANT you to throw a touchdown!". No. I'll go with the decision made. Dont like the outcome of the game but i'll take the decision to punt anyday.

[jonnyloback76]

[quote name='heapitup247' timestamp='1287349744' post='510800']
Theres is no need to fire Cam Cameron. That would result in panic in our team, our offense, and Flacco. You only fire someone when things are at their worst, and we're simply not there. We played a great team, away, with them coming off a bye, and lost by a field goal
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I, for some reason, don't think Flacco or anyone else would "panic" in the event Cameron was let go from the team. Cameron's not getting it done. And not only is he not getting it done, he's calling lousy plays in the process.

[Filthy]

[quote name='jonnyloback76' timestamp='1287390389' post='511961']
I, for some reason, don't think Flacco or anyone else would "panic" in the event Cameron was let go from the team. Cameron's not getting it done. And not only is he not getting it done, he's calling lousy plays in the process.
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Why does he use Rice as a Power Back? Has anyone seen Rice used on the outsides much? He can make a great gain through the middle once and a while but, he is too small to run through the big boys..He needs outside lanes but Cam insists on running him straight forward..thats for McGahee..Rice needs to work the outside and maybe we will see better gains from him. Its just dumb.. Its almost feels like Cam doesnt understand what Rice can and cant do..Im all for him leaving..Hes a monkey wrench in our Superbowl caliber team..On paper..they should have just called off the season..Cause weve got the talent..Its the leadership playing bad chess right now..

[Jabara]

[quote name='jonnyloback76' timestamp='1287390389' post='511961']
I, for some reason, don't think Flacco or anyone else would "panic" in the event Cameron was let go from the team. Cameron's not getting it done. And not only is he not getting it done, he's calling lousy plays in the process.
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It's almost midseason and you want to get rid of Cam, and have us adjust to some joker that isn't currently coaching in the NFL, not to mention just throwing the playbook out the window. Other teams would be bringing him in to find out what we're doing, what our game plan is, what are our players strengths/weakness'.
You have to be joking. This isn't a video game.


I love when people get upset or angry and they think they know everything, just because their brain is hitting a brick wall it can't break through.
It's like saying, I can't think any further so I give up, and the only way to go is to not think about it anymore.
Anyone hating on Cam can also hate on Ozzie and Bisciotti, not to mention everyone in the organization, as well as all the players.
Give me, and your brain, a break.
Chill out.
Do we really know what plays are being called, and whether it's Flacco, Cam or Harbs, etc?

If anyone has special access into Flacco's helmet when the plays are being called please let me know, because that would be awesome...

[Jabara]

[quote name='Filthy' timestamp='1287391556' post='511965']
Why does he use Rice as a Power Back? Has anyone seen Rice used on the outsides much? He can make a great gain through the middle once and a while but, he is too small to run through the big boys..He needs outside lanes but Cam insists on running him straight forward..thats for McGahee..Rice needs to work the outside and maybe we will see better gains from him. Its just dumb.. Its almost feels like Cam doesnt understand what Rice can and cant do..Im all for him leaving..Hes a monkey wrench in our Superbowl caliber team..On paper..they should have just called off the season..Cause weve got the talent..Its the leadership playing bad chess right now..
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Ok, so you are saying you don't understand the difference between Rice and McGahee, yet you think teams would gameplan for McGahee just like they do for Rice, while opening up our passing game?
You have to be joking.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1287391979' post='511967']<br />It's almost midseason and you want to get rid of Cam, and have us adjust to some joker that isn't currently coaching in the NFL, not to mention just throwing the playbook out the window. Other teams would be bringing him in to find out what we're doing, what our game plan is, what are our players strengths/weakness'. <br />You have to be joking. This isn't a video game. <br /><br /><br />I love when people get upset or angry and they think they know everything, just because their brain is hitting a brick wall it can't break through. <br />It's like saying, I can't think any further so I give up, and the only way to go is to not think about it anymore.<br />Anyone hating on Cam can also hate on Ozzie and Bisciotti, not to mention everyone in the organization, as well as all the players. <br />Give me, and your brain, a break. <br />Chill out. <br />Do we really know what plays are being called, and whether it's Flacco, Cam or Harbs, etc?<br /><br />If anyone has special access into Flacco's helmet when the plays are being called please let me know, because that would be awesome...<br />[/quote]



It really doesnt take a genius to figure out what plays are being called. For example, when you see Mason hobbling 4 yards downfield on 3rd and 9, and coming back to the quarterback suddenly, thats called a curl (or as I prefer to call it, bull****e).

I think its fairly obvious who/what the problem is. Obviously getting rid of our OC in week 7 wouldnt be smart, but its something we better take a long, hard look at come off season.

[Jabara]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1287393320' post='511972']
It really doesnt take a genius to figure out what plays are being called. For example, when you see Mason hobbling 4 yards downfield on 3rd and 9, and coming back to the quarterback suddenly, thats called a curl (or as I prefer to call it, bull****e).

I think its fairly obvious who/what the problem is. [b]Obviously getting rid of our OC in week 7 wouldnt be smart, but its something we better take a long, hard look at come off season.[/b]
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As far as the bold, I don't disagree, everyone should be looked at. But, I get what you are saying, and I still agree.

But, just because Mason might go out for a curl, doesn't mean that is the play that is called as far as where the ball is being thrown.
Or, as to how the next play is to be set up.
If you are saying that Cam is constantly limiting Joe's options, then you may have a point.
I'm not thrilled with the play calling all the time.
Sometimes I think it's great, although sometimes I do suspect it, but that is usually a run vs. throw play.

[Yaha]

Cam is a knuckle head most of the time... Do you remember a Offensive Cordinator named Matt Cabin Nawh? Cam is trying to prove his system will work no matter if the other team knows what the Ravens play call is.. JOE FLACCO is 1 for 5 on QB sneaks this year.. The odd thing about how JOe sneaks a football is just plain boring.. No hard count, no audiables, just line up and try..

The reason the Ravens lost this very important huge game is self need by Cam and his desire to prove his theory.

Huge game losing plays, in the 1st quarter Carr not looking at the ball and missed a easy pick six, Michael ORR with 3 dumb major penalties, Cundrift shanking the ball out of bounds in the 4th quarter and finally, Joe Flacco still in his daze not zipping the ball into tight coverages.. How the winning teams win!! Brady zips it, Peyton zips it, Mcnabb zips it, Brees, zips it... This goes to show me as a huge Ravens fan, we can win some games, but not the big ones.

Lastly, we have the Receivers, we have a good "D", but the last touchdown by Brady to Branch was dreadful, Brady had 5.3 seconds to find a open receiver... Bill-Check just out coached John Hardball plain and simple... To any Ravens Players that might read this or coaches, play hard as hell and cross your fingers the Pats/Steelers/Colts lose more than you because I know and you know you can play hard to beat them on any day, but as long as egos such as Cam and Hardball continue, you must beat the top best teams and the RAVENS coaches blow it everytime..

P.S. The Pats had the Mo and again the RAVENS had a 4 and 1 at the 50, you go for it dummies, you know damn well Brady will get the Pats in scoring position anyways, but!! You play the odds against a great team and quarterback such as Brady, well you see the results.. Next week is a trap game, take the points vegas bettors, the Ravens will win by 4..

[Raven43hike]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1287349650' post='510793']
We shouldve challenged their weak secondary more often
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Hell yeah

[Raven43hike]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1287349657' post='510796']
This is purely joking, but I wonder what Billick could do with these weapons.
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All joking aside remember Billick was at the helm when we went to the Superbowl give the man some credit.

[UMDan]

i actually think it's the 3rd & long plays that are questionable... a 3-4 yrd pass isn't going to do much on a 3rd & 8. i don't know if it's the fact that nobody is open, if flacco has too much pressure or if it's the playcalling but it's pretty frustrating to see short passes on 3rd & longs.

[VA_Fan]

[quote name='neoi78' timestamp='1287388364' post='511948']
Go for it? Seriously? Just hand Brady 50yards, and say, "hey, we WANT you to throw a touchdown!". No. I'll go with the decision made. Dont like the outcome of the game but i'll take the decision to punt anyday.
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Dead serious actually. That play right there took the wind out of the Offenses sails. You could see the dissapointment on Joe and Le'Ron's faces when they called for the punt. When we are in the lead, Cam and Greg always play too conservative and lets the other team come back for the win. Even the 3 and 1 QB sneak was a horrible call once we saw how they were lining upon D. We need to man up and show that we are the aggressive team everybody thought we were.

[flynismo]

[quote name='UMDan' timestamp='1287421357' post='512405']<br />i actually think it's the 3rd &amp; long plays that are questionable... a 3-4 yrd pass isn't going to do much on a 3rd &amp; 8. i don't know if it's the fact that nobody is open, if flacco has too much pressure or if it's the playcalling but it's pretty frustrating to see short passes on 3rd &amp; longs.<br />[/quote]

Actually, that is the one thing Cam does right. We are unbelievable on 3rd and long. The problem is, we find ourselves in 3rd and long situations waaaaaaaayy too often.

[gabefergy]

This is a lot of over-reaction to one bad game, well more like one bad quarter + OT. Belichick is probably the best defensive mind in all of football, he made the 2nd half adjustments and Cam just played it too conservatively. You have to remember though, we were playing with a lead. You cant just go out and sling the ball around when you are trying to eat up clock. Only Peyton Manning can do that lol.

I do think there should have been more play-action and at least use a 3 WR look more often. Also the 3rd & 1 call (and bad execution), and then not going for it on 4th & 1 lost us the game.

Its ridiculous to call for a change at OC though, Cam has done a great job this season.

[Vademor]

[quote name='JayDaRavensFan' timestamp='1287353457' post='511052']
I dont care what anybody says but trying to QB sneak for a full yard without even showing someone in the backfield(McClain shifted up) is a bad call. At least if you're gonna do that go for it on 4th. The offense got way to conservative and Flacco started to play that way as well. Why get all these new weapons and not use em. He consistently checked down to Ray Rice on 3rd down and didnt even try to throw for 1st downs. I'm also tired of seeing some of our really good drives end up in field goals, we had a drive go 15 plays 81yds and 3pts and another go 13 plays 84yds and 3pts again. Gotta cash in for 6 on those. We LET the Patriots take this one and that is frustrating!!
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Completely agree.....

[Twoo]

[quote name='Raven43hike' timestamp='1287420658' post='512391']
All joking aside remember Billick was at the helm when we went to the Superbowl give the man some credit.
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Billick is an absolutely incredible coach. Not only was he one of the best OC's in the game but he led the Ravens to some remarkable feats while a HC. Until the 07' Pats he had the honor of coaching the greatest offense in NFL history and the greatest defense in NFL history.

[flynismo]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1287427233' post='512562']Its ridiculous to call for a change at OC though, Cam has done a great job this season.[/quote]

No, he really hasn't.

Think about it like this.

Look at the talent on this offense: Flacco, Rice, McGahee, Heap, Boldin, Mason, Houshmanzedah and a solid offensive line.
That is possibly the most talented offense in the entire league. How can an offense this good perform so mediocrely? There has to be a reason for it.
And I think pretty clearly the players are playing at the level expected of them, for the most part. So what other reason can there be for such a poor return on investment?