Raiders Trade Could Impact Ravens

[Raven07]

interesting read i found that the Baltimore Sun made.....about the Raiders situation on Hall as well as the Ravens stand point on the deal...

thoughts?

Read more about it here

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ord...3/post_226.html

[bmorefan80]

First the Raiders have to find a team that wants to trade up. I don't think too many teams would want to go that far up in the 1st round this year.

[Raven07]

yea i know.....when i first read this article....it left a few questions in my mind but hey we'll just let things play themselves out....i meani after all i think that if a particular team trades up or down in the draft order....it will have at LEAST some effect on ALL the teams take on the upcoming draft

[Bullrush]

If anything this trade makes it more difficult for us to find a good corner in the 2nd round. We all know that the Falcons will probably pick 1-2 corners in the first two rounds, and that Raiders pick in the 2nd round is right in front of ours.

[theFRANCHISE]

I'm not too concerned, mainly because it won't have much of an impact on the Ravens' draft board, especially if the team trades down in the 1st round to acquire another pick, as I hope they do.

I still believe that, given the Ravens' needs, there is no individual player that warrants being drafted with the 8th overall pick. Yes, again, there are some tempting names such as Vernon Gholston and Jake Long and Matt Ryan and maybe even Darren McFadden that MAY be available.

But none of them (with the exception of Ryan) address a true NEED on the team.

And even still, as "starter-ready" as scouts say Matt Ryan is, there is no such thing as a TRUE starter-ready NFL QB at the college level, mainly because college defenses are questionable as-is. Also, the physical tools may be there, but no one can properly gauge the mental readiness of the players, regardless of their football IQ. The speed of the game, as every QB will tell you, is significantly different. Some get it eventually, and some never do at all.

Again, there is no player that truly jumps out at me with the 8th overall pick, so I don't see the Raiders' moves as doing anything to throw off the Ravens' draft strategy.

[Raven07]

exactly.....no player is truly "ready" for the professional level of football.....people may say that "he's ready for the pro's" and whatever else but in all actuality, they are not.....because once drafted, they have to go through the same stuff that the other guys on the team have already went through and done....they have to continually prove themselves to the both the Players, coaches and The Team on a consistant basis. never giving up, never backing down...they must prepare and train hard, and maintain a steady mainstream....developing a system in which is best suited for the individual player/athlete out there...they must do all of that and Survive the "Cutting" time period.

[FerrariFan87]

I hope we don't trade up or anything seeing as our cap situation isn't too hot and we already have to pay Top 10 money at this point in time... I actually would prefer us to trade out of the Top 10 and acquire more picks..

[smashmouth]

I'm not too concerned, mainly because it won't have much of an impact on the Ravens' draft board, especially if the team trades down in the 1st round to acquire another pick, as I hope they do.

I still believe that, given the Ravens' needs, there is no individual player that warrants being drafted with the 8th overall pick. Yes, again, there are some tempting names such as Vernon Gholston and Jake Long and Matt Ryan and maybe even Darren McFadden that MAY be available.

But none of them (with the exception of Ryan) address a true NEED on the team.

And even still, as "starter-ready" as scouts say Matt Ryan is, there is no such thing as a TRUE starter-ready NFL QB at the college level, mainly because college defenses are questionable as-is. Also, the physical tools may be there, but no one can properly gauge the mental readiness of the players, regardless of their football IQ. The speed of the game, as every QB will tell you, is significantly different. Some get it eventually, and some never do at all.

Again, there is no player that truly jumps out at me with the 8th overall pick, so I don't see the Raiders' moves as doing anything to throw off the Ravens' draft strategy.

I agree big time, I think if Matt Ryan is there at 8 we might grab him, but I think that is More then likely He's not going to be there, I think we should just trade down and possably get 2 first round picks out of the deal.

[theFRANCHISE]

I agree big time, I think if Matt Ryan is there at 8 we might grab him, but I think that is More then likely He's not going to be there, I think we should just trade down and possably get 2 first round picks out of the deal.

I'd rather not get two first-round picks, mainly because that's more money that'll be dished out to rookies that may not start.

Although I'd LOVE to see Joe Flacco get drafted late in the first round by the Ravens somehow with a second 1st-round pick, but that's just a personal DREAM scenario of mine, just because he played at Delaware and I'd like to brag that Delaware's football program produced a first-round NFL draft pick.

More realistically, I'd be happier if the Ravens traded down, picked up an additional 2nd-round OR 3rd-round pick, and drafted Joe Flacco with the earlier 2nd-round pick.

Again, Matt Ryan might be a tempting prospect at the 8th spot, but I'd rather not gamble so much on him, financially and otherwise. The team is in no position like the Browns are to have a 1st-round QB sit on the bench if someone else out-plays him for the starting job.

[smashmouth]

I'd rather not get two first-round picks, mainly because that's more money that'll be dished out to rookies that may not start.

Although I'd LOVE to see Joe Flacco get drafted late in the first round by the Ravens somehow with a second 1st-round pick, but that's just a personal DREAM scenario of mine, just because he played at Delaware and I'd like to brag that Delaware's football program produced a first-round NFL draft pick.

More realistically, I'd be happier if the Ravens traded down, picked up an additional 2nd-round OR 3rd-round pick, and drafted Joe Flacco with the earlier 2nd-round pick.

Again, Matt Ryan might be a tempting prospect at the 8th spot, but I'd rather not gamble so much on him, financially and otherwise. The team is in no position like the Browns are to have a 1st-round QB sit on the bench if someone else out-plays him for the starting job.

The 8th spot on the draft chart shows that its worth 2 late 1st round picks, or Mid 1st and 2nd round.The Cowboys may want to trade us there 22nd and 28th pick for our 8th spot. If someone wanted to move up a few spots then it would be there 1st and 2nd round out of the deal.

[theFRANCHISE]

The 8th spot on the draft chart shows that its worth 2 late 1st round picks, or Mid 1st and 2nd round.The Cowboys may want to trade us there 22nd and 28th pick for our 8th spot. If someone wanted to move up a few spots then it would be there 1st and 2nd round out of the deal.

I won't argue that it's not POSSIBLE for something like that to play out.

But...as much as the Cowboys may want Darren McFadden if he's still available at the 8th spot, I don't see Dallas giving up both their 1st-round draft picks.

However, I'd be fine with the 1st-round pick and an additional 2nd-rounder.

Either way...I just want Joe Flacco, period. No matter how it has to get done, I want it to happen.

[PuppyPuncher]

I won't argue that it's not POSSIBLE for something like that to play out.

But...as much as the Cowboys may want Darren McFadden if he's still available at the 8th spot, I don't see Dallas giving up both their 1st-round draft picks.

However, I'd be fine with the 1st-round pick and an additional 2nd-rounder.

Either way...I just want Joe Flacco, period. No matter how it has to get done, I want it to happen.

There is a draft trade point system and they would be required to give up both picks.

[smashmouth82]

I won't argue that it's not POSSIBLE for something like that to play out.

But...as much as the Cowboys may want Darren McFadden if he's still available at the 8th spot, I don't see Dallas giving up both their 1st-round draft picks.

However, I'd be fine with the 1st-round pick and an additional 2nd-rounder.

Either way...I just want Joe Flacco, period. No matter how it has to get done, I want it to happen.

i wouldn't be surprised by anything that the cowgirls do! one thing is for sure, jerry jones isn't afraid to take a risk if it's something he really wants. if this trade was to go down, i think this would hurt him in the long run. but hey, if he was to win a supe next year i don't think he would care about the long run.

[Raven07]

all that t alk about Dallas wanting McFadden and whatever else.....i think a big or major part of this whole deal right now surrounding the Cowboys and McFadden...is partly due to the media and whats been said....when in reality it just may be that, the Cowboys are looking for someone else. who knows....alot can be lost in the media and alot of things can get "blown up" beyond what is needed because of the media out there. yea we've heard jones Likes this guy alot.....and yea he could draft him if given that chance...but im sure that there are other players on the CowBoys radar other than McFadden. and so they get overshadowed by this whole McFadden deal.

[neepo13]

I'm not too concerned, mainly because it won't have much of an impact on the Ravens' draft board, especially if the team trades down in the 1st round to acquire another pick, as I hope they do.

I still believe that, given the Ravens' needs, there is no individual player that warrants being drafted with the 8th overall pick. Yes, again, there are some tempting names such as Vernon Gholston and Jake Long and Matt Ryan and maybe even Darren McFadden that MAY be available.

But none of them (with the exception of Ryan) address a true NEED on the team.

And even still, as "starter-ready" as scouts say Matt Ryan is, there is no such thing as a TRUE starter-ready NFL QB at the college level, mainly because college defenses are questionable as-is. Also, the physical tools may be there, but no one can properly gauge the mental readiness of the players, regardless of their football IQ. The speed of the game, as every QB will tell you, is significantly different. Some get it eventually, and some never do at all.

Again, there is no player that truly jumps out at me with the 8th overall pick, so I don't see the Raiders' moves as doing anything to throw off the Ravens' draft strategy.

I agree with this. The best thing that could happen for us is that one of the top 2 players fall to number 8 giving us an opportunity to trade out of the top 10. This was a really crappy year to have top 10 pick.

[Raven07]

no matter how you may look at this whole deal about the Draft and our number 8 pick overall.....the fat of the matter is that.....we will be getting/drafting a top 10 prospect. and in doing so will come in and help this team whether it may be in th long, or short run of things....a impact player.

[stan]

There is a draft trade point system and they would be required to give up both picks.

The Cowboys wouldn't be required to give the picks up but Jerry Jones could if he wanted to. Dallas' 22nd pick in the first round is worth 780 points and the 28th pick is worth 66 points totaling 1440 points. Our # 8 pick is worth 1400 points. Sounds like a deal to me.

[stan]

The Cowboys wouldn't be required to give the picks up but Jerry Jones could if he wanted to. Dallas' 22nd pick in the first round is worth 780 points and the 28th pick is worth 66 points totaling 1440 points. Our # 8 pick is worth 1400 points. Sounds like a deal to me.

Sorry. Correction: 28th pick is worth 660 points

[Raven07]

either way you look at this thing, it looks as though Jones wants him and will do whatever it takes to get him on his team, but that being said, there are other draft prospects in which you shouldnt take your eye off of...and of course there always quite a few "sleeper" picks in the mix as well.