Merged: Why Flacco Is Our Franchise Qb

[Radinho84]

i felt very comfortable with joe under center this weekend. i just thought before the overtime: ok now let him air it out. our running game was good enough to take some time off the clock in the first half but struggled at the end. i do not understand why you call a run on every first attempt where everybody in the whole stadium knows what´s coming...i am a little sad about that loss but it showed what we are able to do this year. (and also what we are not...YET)

[Trilogique]

[quote name='Ravensdiciple96' timestamp='1287383298' post='511920']
Hey chief you are absolutely right, Joe did play better than Tom STATISTICALLY. So what do those stats really mean when he came home with a LOSS???? Have you actually watched the games? I will assume NO, beacuse any one who has been actually watching the games knows that it's not about Joe. If you ask me and I am sure alot more, it's the play calling from Cam. Joe does what he is told, and he does a great job at it. But when he is being told to do ridiculous stuff it will reflect on him. You know the QB is the first to get the blame, is that right? In most cases I would say no, but the QB is "suppose" to be the leader, but he can only do what he is told. And in my eyes this loss has to fall on CAM! Joe did do great when the right play came in. (IMO) This game has nothing to do with Joe.
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can't agree more.

Joe played EXCELLENT with what he was given. I don't care if the Pats are #1 or #32 in pass defense, Joe played well.

but he is far from the problem.

[neoi78]

The play from Joe was great. But what i dont understand is why you run with rice on 2nd and 3rd down in OT. AIR IT OUT! Thats what Brady did(in OT), and he won in doing so. We have 3 stud recievers. They get paid to make plays

[Trilogique]

[quote name='neoi78' timestamp='1287388021' post='511944']
The play from Joe was great. But what i dont understand is why you run with rice on 2nd and 3rd down in OT. AIR IT OUT! Thats what Brady did(in OT), and he won in doing so. We have 3 stud recievers. They get paid to make plays
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it's almost like he wanted to run the clock out and end up with a tie, lol.

my dad's reasoning (who is a Steeler fan) for our running in OT was: "you have to run the ball to pass the ball"

yeah, but not in OT! when everything is on the line against one of the worst secondaries in the league. especially when Joe was playing well all game.

[wayne]

Yea, Joe played great.

[MKdave]

[quote name='Kwothdaraven' timestamp='1287375483' post='511857']
Looks like a statline a tom brady or peyton manning would put up doesent it? But no thats joe flacco on the road in possibly the hardest field to play on with tom brady under center. Brady has 2 of the top 5 longest winning streaks at home in nfl history.

Sometimes i cant beleive ravens fans. Joe flacco outperformed hall of famer tom brady today abd somehow hes still garbage to some "fans". Im not sure what more you can ask for. Being on the road in the toughest stadium and a few dumb calls/penalties cost us that game, NOT joe flacco. Flacco was a stud, ebd of story. Cabt wait to see him continue his dominance since the cinci game.

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Well, as Joe has said, it isn't about Joe versus Brady, it's about Joe versus NE's DBs and Brady versus ours. And basically, their DBs are soft. So it's not fair to say he's better than Brady after this game. In crunch time he fell inlove with the checkdown. We don't know how much of that was to do with Joe and how much of it was Cam's doing, but Brady came alive when it mattered. We know Joe can do that, he did it v Pittsburgh. Be he needs to start doing it basically every game.

[Jabara]

[quote name='MKdave' timestamp='1287394202' post='511973']
Well, as Joe has said, it isn't about Joe versus Brady, it's about Joe versus NE's DBs and Brady versus ours. [b]And basically, their DBs are soft.[/b] So it's not fair to say he's better than Brady after this game. In crunch time he fell inlove with the checkdown. We don't know how much of that was to do with Joe and how much of it was Cam's doing, but Brady came alive when it mattered. We know Joe can do that, he did it v Pittsburgh. Be he needs to start doing it basically every game.
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Even though they nailed our receivers for 2 dropped TD's?

[Raven43hike]

[quote name='Ravensdiciple96' timestamp='1287383298' post='511920']
Hey chief you are absolutely right, Joe did play better than Tom STATISTICALLY. So what do those stats really mean when he came home with a LOSS???? Have you actually watched the games? I will assume NO, beacuse any one who has been actually watching the games knows that it's not about Joe. If you ask me and I am sure alot more, it's the play calling from Cam. Joe does what he is told, and he does a great job at it. But when he is being told to do ridiculous stuff it will reflect on him. You know the QB is the first to get the blame, is that right? In most cases I would say no, but the QB is "suppose" to be the leader, but he can only do what he is told. And in my eyes this loss has to fall on CAM! Joe did do great when the right play came in. (IMO) This game has nothing to do with Joe.
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I'm not going to Monday morning Qb. our team but doesn't Joe have the ability to change the play at the line if he sees the D change. Go Ravens.

[Raven43hike]

[quote name='neoi78' timestamp='1287388021' post='511944']
The play from Joe was great. But what i dont understand is why you run with rice on 2nd and 3rd down in OT. AIR IT OUT! Thats what Brady did(in OT), and he won in doing so. We have 3 stud recievers. They get paid to make plays
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I agree with this post plus another point I think there were a few fourth and shorts we should of went for.

[jonnyloback76]

One thing I think is an improvement for Flacco over the last 2 games is he seems to have a little more "emotion" in his play even with Cam Cameron as his OC. He appears to be getting into the games quite a bit more and playing with a lot more intensity. It looks like he is gaining more confidence in himself and his teammates.

Cameron does KNOW the Ravens have Boldin and Housh, Mason is playing as good as I have ever seen, Heap, and they drafted two good TEs right? How can Harbaugh or whoever not notice this year is almost identical to or worse then last year based on the play calls and how the offense is producing?

2010 Offensive Stats

23rd at 18 Points Per Game Scored
16th at 334 Yards Per Game Total Offense
16th at 224 Passing Yards Per Game
15th at 111 Rushing Yards Per Game

2009 Offensive Stats

9th at 24 Points Per Game
13th at 351 Yards Per Game Total Offense
18th at 213 Passing Yards Per Game
5th at 137 Rushing Yards Per Game

Then here's the game log comparison based on last year. While I was looking through this, why does Cameron have Flacco throw so much during games where he seems to be struggling? 39 attempts during the Bengals game this year?

It looks like he throws as much or more when he isn't having that great of a game. Is there a point to that or is it just horrible offensive play calling by Cameron? If the Ravens were getting "blown out" or winning by a huge margin then I might see it happening for experience, but they weren't really most of the time.

I don't really understand what happened during today's game with the throwing difference in the first and second half. Maybe Cameron just started running it too much today and Flacco lost his "rhythm" at some point? Why stop a QB and start running the ball when their QB rating is near 120?

Is it mainly Flacco, mainly Cameron or a combination of the two equally?

It almost looks like Boldin and Housh were never even added to the team IMO.

2010 vs Patriots 285 yds, 2 TDs, 35 attempts QB Rating 119.3
2009 vs Patriots 264 yds, 2 TDs, 47 attempts QB Rating 78.7

2010 vs Broncos 196 yds, 0 TDs, 25 attempts QB Rating 81.4
2009 vs Broncos 175 yds, 1 TD, 25 attempts QB Rating 109.2

2010 vs Cincinnati 154 yds, 1 TD, 39 attempts QB Rating 23.8
2009 vs Cincinnati 186 yds, 1 TD, 31 attempts QB Rating 70.1

2010 vs Cleveland 262 yds, 3 TDs, 31 attempts QB Rating 128.7
2009 vs Cleveland 342 yds, 1 TD, 35 attempts QB Rating 111.8

2010 vs Pittsburgh 256 yds, 1 TD, 37 attempts QB Rating 82.7
2009 vs Pittsburgh 289 yds, 1 TD, 35 attempts QB Rating 100.8

And since the Ravens didn't play the Jets last year (except preseason), here's a defensive comparison.

2010 Jets 90 yds Rushing Per Game Allowed 229 Passing Yards Per Game Allowed
2009 Vikings 87 Rushing Yards Per Game Allowed 218 Passing Yards Per Game Allowed

2010 vs Jets 248 yds, 0 TDs, 38 attempts QB Rating 62.2
2009 vs Vikings 385 yds, 2 TDs, 43 attempts QB Rating109.2

EDIT: How do his attempts just barely go up or go down this year as opposed to last year with the receiving group Flacco has this year?

[H8R]

Certainly Joe can improve but I like what I saw today for the most part. It seems like Cam doesn't really react well to the ebb and flow of a ball game. Granted, there is no way to tell how things would have been if the play calling were more aggressive at the end of the game. It seemed like we were playing for a tie or like we were holding onto a lead going into half time.... Which is far different then trying to win a HUGE AFC game, ON THE ROAD, IN OVERTIME. I thought it was REALLY foolish to NOT got for it on 4th and 1 at the 50. IIRC the Pats scored a TD anyway. This was the big momentum swing, IMO.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Moderator 2' timestamp='1287378082' post='511887']
[color="#800080"]Joes stats [/color]since the [color="#ff8c00"]Bengal mess[/color]
[color="#800080"]6 Touchdowns [/color][color="#ff0000"]1 Interception[/color]
999 Passing Yards 87/128
68% Completion Rate
7.8 YPA

[b]103.6 Quarterback Rating[/b]
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Jamarcus Russell is an All-Pro QB if you take away his bad games

[Raven43hike]

Joe is the man he just needs to audible at times.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1287406129' post='512069']
Jamarcus Russell is an All-Pro QB if you take away his bad games
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Not really; he'd still be terrible.

[johnny86]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1287300763' post='508897']
I'm not sure why you think I'd buy into the notion that Flacco is the reason we won 24 games, I'm pretty sure our top 5 D and run game played a part.

His playoff stats are the only ones I'm interested in.
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Go back to the days of Kyle Boller, when he had a great team around him and still blew, if you think Flacco has nothing to do with the success of this team, you're clearly an uneducated football fan

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='johnny86' timestamp='1287414834' post='512226']
Go back to the days of Kyle Boller, when he had a great team around him and still blew, if you think Flacco has nothing to do with the success of this team, you're clearly an uneducated football fan
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Read it again. Slow this time.

[MKdave]

[quote name='Jabara' timestamp='1287395087' post='511978']
Even though they nailed our receivers for 2 dropped TD's?
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I meant soft as in not very good, not as in hit-shy.

[gdwy89]

[quote name='kagejb' timestamp='1287172161' post='508225']
Damn, you just dissed Delaware about four or five times in that post. Franchise isn't gonna let that go.
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Neither am I. "Lowly Delaware?" Give me a break. Why are all of those cheap shots even necessary to make your point? Besides, we could beat at least half of the ACC and Big East.

I can't even begin to discuss the merits of your argument without first addressing this.

[flynismo]

[quote name='gdwy89' timestamp='1287421548' post='512409']
Neither am I. "Lowly Delaware?" Give me a break. Why are all of those cheap shots even necessary to make your point? Besides, we could beat at least half of the ACC and Big East.

I can't even begin to discuss the merits of your argument without first addressing this.
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lol....

Sorry, I take it back. I didn't mean them as cheapshots (unless Franny was reading this ), just trying to emphasize how far behind the learning curve Flacco was expected to be.

[flynismo]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1287406129' post='512069']
Jamarcus Russell is an All-Pro QB if you take away his bad games
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Key word there was "games", as in many.

And your point is very debatable haha, Russell just flat out sucks!